ImageImage

Would you take Bogut and Barnes...

Moderators: dms269, HMFFL, Jamaaliver

parson
RealGM
Posts: 10,316
And1: 469
Joined: May 02, 2001

Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#1 » by parson » Fri Jul 5, 2013 3:04 am

... and Biedrins and Jefferson if Howard wanted Golden State?

That's being kicked around.

Personally, I'd say yes. I've been infatuated with Bogut's game for years. IF HE'S HEALTHY, we'd have a great defensive Center and a really promising SF.

Bogut / Horford / Barnes - that's a major league frontline.

Friday can't come soon enough. It appears that either Howard will choose us, or he'll choose HOU - in which case we're best positioned to give them Josh Smith - or he'll choose GS - in which case we're the only team that can give them the salary relief they would need.

Or he could choose LA, but let's not talk about that.
My mother told me, she said, "Elwood, to make it in this world you either have to be oh, so clever or oh, so pleasant." Well, for years I was clever; I recommend pleasant.
Elwood P. Dowd (Jimmy Stewart, in the film "Harvey")
parson
RealGM
Posts: 10,316
And1: 469
Joined: May 02, 2001

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#2 » by parson » Fri Jul 5, 2013 3:21 am

Another question: would GS be looking into this unless Howard had given them strong reason to believe they could sign him?
My mother told me, she said, "Elwood, to make it in this world you either have to be oh, so clever or oh, so pleasant." Well, for years I was clever; I recommend pleasant.
Elwood P. Dowd (Jimmy Stewart, in the film "Harvey")
epfou1
Junior
Posts: 264
And1: 254
Joined: Dec 24, 2008
         

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#3 » by epfou1 » Fri Jul 5, 2013 3:24 am

Bogut and Barnes definately. No to Jefferson and Bierdins.
parson
RealGM
Posts: 10,316
And1: 469
Joined: May 02, 2001

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#4 » by parson » Fri Jul 5, 2013 6:04 am

Jefferson and Biedrins are the cost of getting Bogut and Barnes. The Warriors want someone to take all that salary and not send contracts back.
My mother told me, she said, "Elwood, to make it in this world you either have to be oh, so clever or oh, so pleasant." Well, for years I was clever; I recommend pleasant.
Elwood P. Dowd (Jimmy Stewart, in the film "Harvey")
User avatar
tomaHAWKslam
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,496
And1: 125
Joined: Feb 11, 2003

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#5 » by tomaHAWKslam » Fri Jul 5, 2013 8:40 am

None of them are long term deals, so I'd strongly consider it.
User avatar
D21
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,574
And1: 689
Joined: Sep 09, 2005

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#6 » by D21 » Fri Jul 5, 2013 8:54 am

parson wrote:Jefferson and Biedrins are the cost of getting Bogut and Barnes. The Warriors want someone to take all that salary and not send contracts back.


Not sure they would want to trade Barnes, and that would also mean they can't re-sign Jack and Landry. Maybe too much to lose just to get Howard.

If they do a sign-&-trade of Howard, they could keep their F.A.s and don't need to trade all these $37M for 4 players.

I need to check, but there could be a possibility to make a three-way trade with GSW and LAK :
GSW would get Howard in sign-&-trade, and filler if needed (including ATL F.A.)
LAK what they would want (players have to be under contract since they are above the apron)
ATL would get Bogut and filler, and it could include sign-&-trade of Jack or Landry or any F.A. of LAK
User avatar
Phunkabilly
Sophomore
Posts: 142
And1: 26
Joined: Jul 01, 2002
Location: Melbourne, FL
       

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#7 » by Phunkabilly » Fri Jul 5, 2013 11:38 am

Jefferson and Biedrins are on expiring contracts, correct? If so, I think I'd take this deal. If we miss on Howard, I don't really feel there are any other free agents worth getting too excited about this year. I'd much rather acquire Bogut and Barnes in that scenario. And with Jefferson and Biedrins coming off the books next year (and possibly Bogut, if he doesn't work out), then we have plenty of money to make a splash in free agency next year. And I agree with parson, I'm very intrigued by a Bogut/Horford/Barnes front court.
User avatar
D21
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,574
And1: 689
Joined: Sep 09, 2005

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#8 » by D21 » Fri Jul 5, 2013 11:54 am

But we can't acquire these four guys making $37M next season, we don't have enough room (maximum of 28M$, and that's if we let Teague walk).
Jefferson, or at least Biedrins would have to go to another team.

If GSW want to sign Howard with cap room, they need to clear at least :
70.5 - 33.5 = 37M
They would have 10 players under contract, so 37 + 1M for two incomplete roster charges = 38
They would have 20.5M of cap room to make a Max offer to Howard

If they can get him in sign-&-trade, it's different story with lots of possibilities.
davefmcl
Junior
Posts: 399
And1: 3
Joined: May 03, 2005

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#9 » by davefmcl » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:24 pm

What about trading Stevenson (our worst deal) for Bogut, Jefferson, Bendris, Fetus Ezell, and Draymond Green and their 2014 pick?
It sounds really one sided for us, but we would basically be taking on 3 contracts they don't want and need to get something of value for doing it.
It works in trade checker: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6305965
For more Southern Sports, listen to the Southern Sports Universe Thursdays at 10:00 pm EST at blogtalkradio.com/nba or read about it at southernsportsuniverse.com
parson
RealGM
Posts: 10,316
And1: 469
Joined: May 02, 2001

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#10 » by parson » Fri Jul 5, 2013 6:58 pm

^ If you'll go to the GS board, I think you'd see a lot of people who'd jump at your deal.
My mother told me, she said, "Elwood, to make it in this world you either have to be oh, so clever or oh, so pleasant." Well, for years I was clever; I recommend pleasant.
Elwood P. Dowd (Jimmy Stewart, in the film "Harvey")
User avatar
Geaux_Hawks
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,473
And1: 1,154
Joined: Feb 18, 2011
     

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#11 » by Geaux_Hawks » Fri Jul 5, 2013 7:32 pm

We should be getting Barnes if he is on the table and we are taking on all their salary.
User avatar
Phunkabilly
Sophomore
Posts: 142
And1: 26
Joined: Jul 01, 2002
Location: Melbourne, FL
       

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#12 » by Phunkabilly » Fri Jul 5, 2013 8:13 pm

Looks like GSW sent Biedrins and Jefferson to Utah to clear money for Iggy, and are now out of the Dwight sweepstakes. Bummer... I was hoping to come out with Bogut and Barnes/Thompson.
jagstang76
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,900
And1: 7
Joined: Jun 17, 2004
Location: ATL
Contact:

Re: Would you take Bogut and Barnes... 

Post#13 » by jagstang76 » Fri Jul 5, 2013 9:29 pm

Sounds like if GSW ships out Barnes and Bogut, they have a shot at Dwight still. I would do that deal if Dwight is for sure not coming here.

Return to Atlanta Hawks