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Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh

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Re: Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh 

Post#81 » by retrolenny » Sun Jul 7, 2013 8:45 pm

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Maybe, maybe not. Wayyyyy too early to know anything right now.


Tell that to Kemba Walker!!


lol let it go man, let it go


You can't let that go. I REALLY like BK but then again, I REALLY like English too. It doesn't mean they are the best man for the job. I hope that Cheeks has a Westbrook type affect on BK and that he blossoms into a player this year..
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Re: Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh 

Post#82 » by Clarity » Sun Jul 7, 2013 8:50 pm

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You can't let that go. I REALLY like BK but then again, I REALLY like English too. It doesn't mean they are the best man for the job. I hope that Cheeks has a Westbrook type affect on BK and that he blossoms into a player this year..


trust me bro, im with you!
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Re: Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh 

Post#83 » by OneBadMutha » Mon Jul 8, 2013 3:31 am

Knights efficiency numbers have been very poor. I don't think he'll ever be a true point guard because most "true" point guards are effective pick and roll players...something he may never be.

But...I still believe you give him at least a half season w/ Mo to make a determination of his long term fit. There is a history of 1's who aren't traditional pick and roll players who've had success starting because of how they fit. Something Cheeks does is play to players strengths and away from their weaknesses. It's something Carlisle has made a living at doing. If you don't have a true point guard abilities but can defend and score, then figure out how to take advantage of those strengths. If Knight can defend, get the team into its offense without turning it over...then his scoring and being a threat without the ball help the bigs.

There is no way the starting 5 should be running a traditional pick and roll offense...which should help minimize some of Knights shortcomings. Knight simply has to stop trying to do things he can't (like split defenses off the dribble) and be smart with the ball while getting it to the mismatches in the post. Since he's 6'3 w/ decent length for a 1, isn't terribly off target with his passes from the perimeter, and his defenders can't sag off him into passing lanes, I can't see why he wouldn't be able to figure out those basic fundamentals.
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Re: Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh 

Post#84 » by OneBadMutha » Mon Jul 8, 2013 3:37 am

Also remind me...was Sam Cassel tearing teams up as a traditional style point guard when he won Championships? I seem to remember that when he was w/ the Rockets, he played off of Hakeem and Thorpe rather than the other way around. Eventually he became confident in doing more and became a more complete point guard later in his career. I could see a similar trajectory with Knight...who's attributes kind of remind me of a younger Sam.
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Re: Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh 

Post#85 » by bennett13 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 3:45 am

You know what BK lacks?

A team that can finish when he passes to them!

Plus a lot of other things but point being, I don't think we would all be so hard in him if his asst were higher. We forget that most of the team around him couldn't finish once he put the ball in their hands. He can work on the PnR as well as learning the art of the Ally Op but I think he can still turn his game around and be elite one day.
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Re: Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh 

Post#86 » by E-Z » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:29 am

bennett13 wrote:You know what BK lacks?

A team that can finish when he passes to them!

Plus a lot of other things but point being, I don't think we would all be so hard in him if his asst were higher. We forget that most of the team around him couldn't finish once he put the ball in their hands. He can work on the PnR as well as learning the art of the Ally Op but I think he can still turn his game around and be elite one day.


Knight is horrible in the P&R. He makes horrible reads which leads to horrible passes also.

Brandon Knight shoots 36% in P&R situations, with .69 points per posession.

Will Bynum is SIGNIFICANTLY better in the P&R, shootiing 50% with .87 ppp. He's actually top 30 in the NBA in this regard compared to Knight's 133 ranking. It's a shame he doesn't have a consistent jump shot. He'd probably be on the team right now.
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Re: Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh 

Post#87 » by Redeemed » Mon Jul 8, 2013 10:51 am

Sheedpocalypse wrote:I don't believe BK is done yet as a PG. This kid is too smart and puts in too much work to not have a chance to turn this around. I'm not sure, but I have a feeling he can put it together somehow. Maybe just a hunch and you can't always trust those, but there you have it :)


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The kid has the intangibles and the physical tools to be a standout player as a pg. He should be fine once he gets developmental insights from his hall of fame pg of a coach.
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Re: Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh 

Post#88 » by MrBigShot » Mon Jul 8, 2013 9:57 pm

Knight says he's working on mid range game and changing speeds mainly this off season. That's good news...at least he knows what he needs to work on, some guys just flat out don't get it...
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Re: Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh 

Post#89 » by ComboGuardCity » Mon Jul 8, 2013 10:44 pm

E-Z wrote:
bennett13 wrote:You know what BK lacks?

A team that can finish when he passes to them!

Plus a lot of other things but point being, I don't think we would all be so hard in him if his asst were higher. We forget that most of the team around him couldn't finish once he put the ball in their hands. He can work on the PnR as well as learning the art of the Ally Op but I think he can still turn his game around and be elite one day.


Knight is horrible in the P&R. He makes horrible reads which leads to horrible passes also.

Brandon Knight shoots 36% in P&R situations, with .69 points per posession.

Will Bynum is SIGNIFICANTLY better in the P&R, shootiing 50% with .87 ppp. He's actually top 30 in the NBA in this regard compared to Knight's 133 ranking. It's a shame he doesn't have a consistent jump shot. He'd probably be on the team right now.


Brandon Knight ran the pick and roll with max/moose. Not exactly great targets. Give him an off season with Smith/Dre
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Re: Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh 

Post#90 » by E-Z » Mon Jul 8, 2013 11:41 pm

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E-Z wrote:
bennett13 wrote:You know what BK lacks?

A team that can finish when he passes to them!

Plus a lot of other things but point being, I don't think we would all be so hard in him if his asst were higher. We forget that most of the team around him couldn't finish once he put the ball in their hands. He can work on the PnR as well as learning the art of the Ally Op but I think he can still turn his game around and be elite one day.


Knight is horrible in the P&R. He makes horrible reads which leads to horrible passes also.

Brandon Knight shoots 36% in P&R situations, with .69 points per posession.

Will Bynum is SIGNIFICANTLY better in the P&R, shootiing 50% with .87 ppp. He's actually top 30 in the NBA in this regard compared to Knight's 133 ranking. It's a shame he doesn't have a consistent jump shot. He'd probably be on the team right now.


Brandon Knight ran the pick and roll with max/moose. Not exactly great targets. Give him an off season with Smith/Dre


Knight beats his man regardless of who sets the pick. His floater bricks and his mid range shot is somewhere below average.
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Re: Detroit saying BK is our starting PG. Ugh 

Post#91 » by OneBadMutha » Tue Jul 9, 2013 1:25 am

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ComboGuardCity wrote:
E-Z wrote:
Knight is horrible in the P&R. He makes horrible reads which leads to horrible passes also.

Brandon Knight shoots 36% in P&R situations, with .69 points per posession.

Will Bynum is SIGNIFICANTLY better in the P&R, shootiing 50% with .87 ppp. He's actually top 30 in the NBA in this regard compared to Knight's 133 ranking. It's a shame he doesn't have a consistent jump shot. He'd probably be on the team right now.


Brandon Knight ran the pick and roll with max/moose. Not exactly great targets. Give him an off season with Smith/Dre


Knight beats his man regardless of who sets the pick. His floater bricks and his mid range shot is somewhere below average.


One of Knight's problems is that he drives into the teeth of the defense too quick. He needs to watch game tape of prime Chauncy. It's OK to slow down a bit with the defender on his back and take a mid range jump shot he can make. He does need to change gears. Even coming out of college, the big knock on him being a point guard is that he didn't understand how to play under control after beating the first man. At least he's showing self awareness.

I just think it's way too early to give up on a guy with some of his pure attributes. He would not be the first guy to get a lot better at point after his first 80 games..

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