Official: Shaun Livingston Signs With Nets For Minimum

[vincecarter4pres]

I feel Livingston will get basically all the backup point guard minutes, giving him at least 10 a game there and will probably find his way on the floor at the 2 and 3 for some minutes.

I'd say he's definitely at least a 12mpg player this year barring any further offseason moves that impact him.

do you think he eats into terrys minutes? i can see 10 maybe ... 12, idk

I think Father Time eats into Terry's minutes. But I don't see much more then 12 to 14 minutes a game on average by the end of the year for Livingston unless Deron sits out some games and maybe 4 to 8 games with 35+ minutes boosts his average.

[enetric]

Because of Father Time, I am glad we dont have to RELY on Terry as the planned back up PG.

But I think our lack of finding a wing shooter through free agency...this roster NEEDS his ability to knock down shots. I think he will find his role on this team and be far better than a Bogans, or Stackouse. Will he be good enough? I dont know. Hopefully those in front of him stay healthy and we can limit his role to helpful rather than need.

[NyCeEvO]

@Speedy

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I find it ironic that you're criticizing Livingston for not being able to shoot the 3 and yet you talk about how good & how great an impact Kidd had on his team in the early days in spite of his ability to shoot in the Plumlee.

Kidd proved that there are more ways to impact the game than just by being a 3pt shooter. Everyone knows that Rondo can't shoot for anything but he's still able to impact the game through the other things he does on the court.

Obviously, Livingston isn't Kidd or Rondo but we're not asking him to be them.

We're asking him to be the backup PG, who can penetrate into the lane and distribute the ball to the team, while D-Will gets his rest for 13-15 mpg. That's it.

[vincecarter4pres]

Speedy's still smarting cause his crush MarShon wound up in the Boston deal.

[SpeedyG]

@Speedy

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I find it ironic that you're criticizing Livingston for not being able to shoot the 3 and yet you talk about how good & how great an impact Kidd had on his team in the early days in spite of his ability to shoot in the Plumlee.

Kidd proved that there are more ways to impact the game than just by being a 3pt shooter. Everyone knows that Rondo can't shoot for anything but he's still able to impact the game through the other things he does on the court.

Obviously, Livingston isn't Kidd or Rondo but we're not asking him to be them.

We're asking him to be the backup PG, who can penetrate into the lane and distribute the ball to the team, while D-Will gets his rest for 13-15 mpg. That's it.

WHOA dude...MAJOR MAJOR REAAAACH.

One...Kidd is on another UNIVERSE compared to Livingston. So to compare the two is completely reckless. Livingston is a closer comparison to Zoran freakin Planinic than he is to Jason freakin Kidd.

As far as 3pt shooting is concerned, not even THAT is even close. Seriously bro? I expected more of you than this ridiculous comparison analysis. You're seriously comparing Kidd, who was hitting about 100 threes his early years in NJ (not to mention his clutch capability of knocking down timely-threes), to Livingston? Kidd, once hit EIGHT 3PT shots in a game in 95 against Houston.

HEY that's just one less three-point made by Livingston his entire freakin CAREER.

[vincecarter4pres]

Speedy, you make the comparison of Plumlee to Kidd and that's fine, but he uses the Livingston to Kidd one and it's a "MAJOR MAJOR REAAAACH"?

I think you know both of you were making it in context and not tier level.

I do agree some with you that it's a somewhat bad comparison figuring how insanely few 3's Livingston takes though, but the level of player thing is silly from your angle and again, context...

[SpeedyG]

Speedy, you make the comparison of Plumlee to Kidd and that's fine, but he uses the Livingston to Kidd one and it's a "MAJOR MAJOR REAAAACH"?

I think you know both of you were making it in context and not tier level.

I do agree some with you that it's a somewhat bad comparison figuring how insanely few 3's Livingston takes though, but the level of player thing is silly from your angle and again, context...

Wait...Plumlee to Kidd? What are you talking about?

[vincecarter4pres]

Speedy, you make the comparison of Plumlee to Kidd and that's fine, but he uses the Livingston to Kidd one and it's a "MAJOR MAJOR REAAAACH"?

I think you know both of you were making it in context and not tier level.

I do agree some with you that it's a somewhat bad comparison figuring how insanely few 3's Livingston takes though, but the level of player thing is silly from your angle and again, context...

Wait...Plumlee to Kidd? What are you talking about?

In the Plumlee thread did you not reference Jason Kidd and his lack of shooting ability to Plumlee's as an analogy?

[NyCeEvO]

Speedy, you make the comparison of Plumlee to Kidd and that's fine, but he uses the Livingston to Kidd one and it's a "MAJOR MAJOR REAAAACH"?

I think you know both of you were making it in context and not tier level.

I do agree some with you that it's a somewhat bad comparison figuring how insanely few 3's Livingston takes though, but the level of player thing is silly from your angle and again, context...

Wait...Plumlee to Kidd? What are you talking about?

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I don't think Plumlee has the offensive game to play the 4.

And Kidd didn't have the jumpshot when he came in. He's got the foot speed, the coordination, athleticism to be a 4. He even has a solid spin move and sky hook. If he adds a face-up game and combine it with that athleticism and coordination, he'll be fine. And his short arms won't matter as much as a 4.

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[NyCeEvO]

It's ok. There's a clear disconnect and there's no point of going back and forth until we see his on-court production when the season starts.

I'm done talking about this.

[SpeedyG]

I don't think Plumlee has the offensive game to play the 4.

And Kidd didn't have the jumpshot when he came in. He's got the foot speed, the coordination, athleticism to be a 4. He even has a solid spin move and sky hook. If he adds a face-up game and combine it with that athleticism and coordination, he'll be fine. And his short arms won't matter as much as a 4.

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Oh that...so uh...you're taking what I said about a rookie PF who has yet to play a single game in the NBA in regards to his projection as a POWER FORWARD and development moving forward to a 7-8 year veteran who in that span has not shown any kind of attempt at extending his range to the 3pt line?

Are you Mr. Fantastic? Coz that's another REEEEAAACH.

A POWER FORWARD has completely different roles and positioning on the court as opposed to a Point Guard. That's just like me saying "Oh Livingston can't make an impact coz he can't block shots or rebound like Plumlee!"

Two totally different positions, two totally different roles, two totally different stages in career.

My point in comparing Plumlee to Kidd was that, if we pigeon hole him as a PF NOW, that he can start working on PF SKILLSETS. It has nothing to do with him being able to contribute right away this season, but more a long-term prognostication. That would have been like when Antawn Jamison and people were saying "Is he a 3 or a 4?" when he first came into the league, and you'd say whether he should start working on ball-handling/outside shooting to translate his game into a natural 3 or whether he should bulk up and get stronger to fit the role of a natural 4.

The discussion on Livingston however, was about what he can contribute THIS SEASON.

[SF_Warriors]

Congratulations you guys! your team is stacked.. talented and deep.
I wanted SL on the W's before you guys signed him.

He is a pure facilitating PG and his strengths do not include 3 point shooting, but he is efiicient and solid from midrange and the FT line.

Livingston is exactly what this squad needs. Not sure why his lack of 3 point range is an issue to anyone at all for this team.

Besides, this squad has plenty of shooters already: deron, JJ, PP, terry are all very solid shooters, while kg, lopez are MONEY from midrange. teletovic and blatche have good range for their respective positions...