Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

[nate33]

Ves has a 50-50 chance of getting extended at this point.

It all depends on what he does between now and Nov.

There's zero % chance Ves get's his QO picked up. EG isn't even stupid enough to prevent max cap space next year. Why waste 5 million on Ves?

Before the signing of Maynor, I would have disagreed with you. Before the Maynor signing, it was possible for the team to have max cap room even if they accepted Vesely's 4th year (assuming a salary cap of 61M+ and assuming Ariza, Okafor, Booker, Singleton and Seraphin are let go). But now, with Maynor and our 2014 mid-teen draft pick factored, it looks like we can only have about $13M in cap room if we retain Vesely. Vesely's option will almost surely be declined.

[Dat2U]

Ves has a 50-50 chance of getting extended at this point.

It all depends on what he does between now and Nov.

If I was GM, there would be a 100% chance of Vesely not being on the roster by training camp. If he couldn't be traded, I'd probably just buy him out to free up a roster spot for a legitimate NBA player.

[nate33]

Ves has a 50-50 chance of getting extended at this point.

It all depends on what he does between now and Nov.

If I was GM, there would be a 100% chance of Vesely not being on the roster by training camp. If he couldn't be traded, I'd probably just buy him out to free up a roster spot for a legitimate NBA player.

At this point, there is no compelling reason to buy him out. We still have another roster spot if there's a free agent out there we like. There's no sense in unloading Vesely when he can at least ride the pine and maybe be marginally useful if there is a rash of injuries at his position.

[Dark Faze]

I'd give Jan one more year to figure it out. Just to be able to stay on the floor defensively.

[Dat2U]

Ves has a 50-50 chance of getting extended at this point.

It all depends on what he does between now and Nov.

If I was GM, there would be a 100% chance of Vesely not being on the roster by training camp. If he couldn't be traded, I'd probably just buy him out to free up a roster spot for a legitimate NBA player.

At this point, there is no compelling reason to buy him out. We still have another roster spot if there's a free agent out there we like. There's no sense in unloading Vesely when he can at least ride the pine and maybe be marginally useful if there is a rash of injuries at his position.

Sorry, I think it's a waste of roster space if one of the worst players in the league is filling it. Right now the roster spaces held by Vesely, Singleton & Seraphin are a complete wasteland of basketball failure. I think you easily replace all 3 with random summer league talent and be better off.

[mhd]

If I was GM, there would be a 100% chance of Vesely not being on the roster by training camp. If he couldn't be traded, I'd probably just buy him out to free up a roster spot for a legitimate NBA player.

At this point, there is no compelling reason to buy him out. We still have another roster spot if there's a free agent out there we like. There's no sense in unloading Vesely when he can at least ride the pine and maybe be marginally useful if there is a rash of injuries at his position.

Sorry, I think it's a waste of roster space if one of the worst players in the league is filling it. Right now the roster spaces held by Vesely, Singleton & Seraphin are a complete wasteland of basketball failure. I think you easily replace all 3 with random summer league talent and be better off.

Seraphin at least has an NBA body that's wide. He's also cheap. He's worth keeping on for another year. I agree with Ves & Singleton.

[nate33]

If I was GM, there would be a 100% chance of Vesely not being on the roster by training camp. If he couldn't be traded, I'd probably just buy him out to free up a roster spot for a legitimate NBA player.

At this point, there is no compelling reason to buy him out. We still have another roster spot if there's a free agent out there we like. There's no sense in unloading Vesely when he can at least ride the pine and maybe be marginally useful if there is a rash of injuries at his position.

Sorry, I think it's a waste of roster space if one of the worst players in the league is filling it. Right now the roster spaces held by Vesely, Singleton & Seraphin are a complete wasteland of basketball failure. I think you easily replace all 3 with random summer league talent and be better off.

Once you factor the learning curve involved with assimilating random summer league talent, I highly doubt that anybody signed off the street would be more useful than Singleton or Seraphin who are both at least NBA caliber defenders who know our system. It's really just a waste of money to cut them and then sign somebody else for the vet minimum.

You may well be right that a random walk-on could be a significant enough improvement over Vesely that it would justify the additional salary cost. But first, we should sign a guy like that in addition to keeping Vesely because we have the roster spot available. If there are 2 guys we like, then maybe we can talk about cutting Vesely. But even then, I don't see the point. We're talking about the 15th man on the roster. Does Ted really need to spend another half-million dollars on a guy who probably will never see the court except in garbage time?

[hands11]

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Temple interview.


I have heard in several different interview now that they are going to look to run even more then last year. And near the end of the interview, he talks about getting Wall off ball a little more.

So with Wall healthy and the primary PG and now with two back up PGs in Maynor and Temple, the Wizards second line should look better.

Thats going to help players like Ves and Booker.

I know some people are wanting to see one more move, but I almost hope they wait on another move until after the season starts. I want to see what Ves, Kevin, Booker, Singleton and even Trevor A can do with this new roster.

[Upper Decker]

I'm sorry but in my mind Temple isn't even on the team. Sure he's on the roster but he was so inefficient last year he can only be considered a practice body. He should get CD-DNP 82 game out of 82 games. The media shouldn't be allowed to interview him. Because of Temple, the NBA should create a 'practice squad' designation for bodies who practice and are cut if ever injured but never see the field.

[SizzlinSimms]

Did anybody see this gem from the Wash Post?

Vesely, the sixth overall pick in 2011, had the more disappointing season of the two, with his production moving in reverse from an uneven rookie season and his confidence shattered. He struggled to keep his point and rebound totals above his personal fouls and was afraid to draw contact because it usually resulted in a trip to the dreaded free throw line, where he shot an anemic 30.8 percent. Vesely even told teammate A.J. Price that he was scared to shoot free throws.

[pancakes3]

He does realize that if he draws contact and scores on an and-1, the bucket counts right? Can we get PIF on google translate for this?

[Ruzious]

Did anybody see this gem from the Wash Post?

Vesely, the sixth overall pick in 2011, had the more disappointing season of the two, with his production moving in reverse from an uneven rookie season and his confidence shattered. He struggled to keep his point and rebound totals above his personal fouls and was afraid to draw contact because it usually resulted in a trip to the dreaded free throw line, where he shot an anemic 30.8 percent. Vesely even told teammate A.J. Price that he was scared to shoot free throws.

I'm not sure if sad or pathetic is the better description. FT shooting should be the easiest thing in the world to improve simply by actually working on it. Almost everyone of any talent level can learn to shoot FT's. This is one thing where we can't blame the Wizards - I don't care how many forms they've told him to try. This is 100% on Vesely no matter what excuses he comes up with. Work on it, _____.

[Kanyewest]

Did anybody see this gem from the Wash Post?

Vesely, the sixth overall pick in 2011, had the more disappointing season of the two, with his production moving in reverse from an uneven rookie season and his confidence shattered. He struggled to keep his point and rebound totals above his personal fouls and was afraid to draw contact because it usually resulted in a trip to the dreaded free throw line, where he shot an anemic 30.8 percent. Vesely even told teammate A.J. Price that he was scared to shoot free throws.

I'm not sure if sad or pathetic is the better description. FT shooting should be the easiest thing in the world to improve simply by actually working on it. Almost everyone of any talent level can learn to shoot FT's. This is one thing where we can't blame the Wizards - I don't care how many forms they've told him to try. This is 100% on Vesely no matter what excuses he comes up with. Work on it, _____.

____ = chap? Or sir?

[doclinkin]

I'll be a diehard. You show 'em Jan! Rah rah rah! Shut up they mouth!

This is the third year for a few of Ernie's kids, when players show what they are worth. The team had a lock-out shortened year and no offseason then, a tough start for any player, but for a rookie to get a running start it can't help. Then to be squeezed of PT and still stay prepared is tricky for level-headed veterans much less rookie-contract players who were just starting to get a feel for their role on court.

But a handicap needn't be a cap. Jan can still be handicapable. A high energy long player who knows how trap the P&R, set a screen, roll well, swoop backdoor from the perimeter, defend, make a smart pass, flush an alley oop, run the floor...

All he needs is an improved jumper and suddenly he's not a total liability. Okay a significantly improved jumper. Well you never know. Some on here wrote off John Wall and had him traded before December.

YOu can do it Jan! You can Do IT!

[hands11]

I'm sorry but in my mind Temple isn't even on the team. Sure he's on the roster but he was so inefficient last year he can only be considered a practice body. He should get CD-DNP 82 game out of 82 games. The media shouldn't be allowed to interview him. Because of Temple, the NBA should create a 'practice squad' designation for bodies who practice and are cut if ever injured but never see the field.

Well your mind might be a little off. He is on the team and personally I think he will be for several years.

I think Temple is going to play well when given a chance and that will earn him at least another year. Probably two.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

He seems to be extremely confident at this point. As a bench guard playing PG and SG, he is actually a nice fit.

[hands11]

Did anybody see this gem from the Wash Post?

Vesely, the sixth overall pick in 2011, had the more disappointing season of the two, with his production moving in reverse from an uneven rookie season and his confidence shattered. He struggled to keep his point and rebound totals above his personal fouls and was afraid to draw contact because it usually resulted in a trip to the dreaded free throw line, where he shot an anemic 30.8 percent. Vesely even told teammate A.J. Price that he was scared to shoot free throws.

Welcome SizzlinSimms

Yeah, that is old news that was reported a while ago. Ves got his head messed up. Its a huge concern. Hopefully he gets some good lovin and gets his swag back.

[hands11]

I'll be a diehard. You show 'em Jan! Rah rah rah! Shut up they mouth!

This is the third year for a few of Ernie's kids, when players show what they are worth. The team had a lock-out shortened year and no offseason then, a tough start for any player, but for a rookie to get a running start it can't help. Then to be squeezed of PT and still stay prepared is tricky for level-headed veterans much less rookie-contract players who were just starting to get a feel for their role on court.

But a handicap needn't be a cap. Jan can still be handicapable. A high energy long player who knows how trap the P&R, set a screen, roll well, swoop backdoor from the perimeter, defend, make a smart pass, flush an alley oop, run the floor...

All he needs is an improved jumper and suddenly he's not a total liability. Okay a significantly improved jumper. Well you never know. Some on here wrote off John Wall and had him traded before December.

YOu can do it Jan! You can Do IT!

Thats what I have been saying Doc. Not betting the farm on it, but at the same time, its in reach and if it happens, it can be a game changer for him.

I just wouldn't count on a lot of board member buying in until they see proof. They feel Ves burned. Which I understand. I do some as well. But its not ALL his fault. Still holding out hope for Ves. At the same time. I'm not holding my breath either.

First and foremost. He has to hit his FTs. If not, just move on.

[fishercob]

If I could get my hands on a time machine, I'd figure out a way to go back in time and get us the fifth pick in the 2011 draft -- hell I'd even give up the Singleton pick that should have been Faried -- so we could have picked Valanciunus.

Since he stayed abroad for a year, we could have been just as craptastic two years ago and still drafted Beal last year.

Can you imagine a young troika of Wall, Beal and Vanciunus?

Sigh.

[Ruzious]

If I could get my hands on a time machine, I'd figure out a way to go back in time and get us the fifth pick in the 2011 draft -- hell I'd even give up the Singleton pick that should have been Faried -- so we could have picked Valanciunus.

Since he stayed abroad for a year, we could have been just as craptastic two years ago and still drafted Beal last year.

Can you imagine a young troika of Wall, Beal and Vanciunus?

Sigh.

After you're done with the time machine, can you lend it to me? I want to go back to 2009 and put all my money in Sirius stock when it was at 30 cents a share. Now it's $3.70 or so. I did buy some at .45 but got impatient and sold at .50.

I still remember that draft - being shocked that Cleve picked Thompson at 4 and thinking - Wow, we might get Jonny V. But, Lucy pulled the football away at the last second, and we got Jany V.

[fishercob]

Yep, the Cavs pulled shockers for three straight years with Thompson, Waiters and Bennett.