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Re: tryin' to get paid - the gerald henderson thread 

Post#841 » by catch20two » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:21 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:Henderson and Portland pick for 3 of the following (Lamb, Perry Jones, Steven Adams, Grant Jerrett, Alex Abrines, Andre Roberson, and Reggie Jackson)

Lamb, Abrines and Adams please. (I doubt OKC would let Jackson go).


I would do this easily no matter which 2-3 players come from OKC as long as Lamb is included. Also, I don't think the Thunder would let neither Jackson or Adams go for Hendo.
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Post#842 » by HornetJail » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:41 pm

Lamb and Adams for just Hendo would be ideal. We can use the Portland pick to move up in the draft next summer.
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Post#843 » by mrknowitall215 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:03 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Lamb and Adams for just Hendo would be ideal. We can use the Portland pick to move up in the draft next summer.


OKC wouldn't even deal Lamb for Henderson straight up, let alone adding Adams. Lamb & Adams are respectively the Thunder future at the SG & C positions. Outside of Charlotte, Henderson doesn't have much clout, if any. The only way the barter is virtually possible from both ends is if the Portland pick is included
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Post#844 » by HornetJail » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:12 pm

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Biz Gilwalker wrote:Lamb and Adams for just Hendo would be ideal. We can use the Portland pick to move up in the draft next summer.


OKC wouldn't even deal Lamb for Henderson straight up, let alone adding Adams. Lamb & Adams are respectively the Thunder future at the SG & C positions. Outside of Charlotte, Henderson doesn't have much clout, if any. The only way the barter is virtually possible from both ends is if the Portland pick is included

Good then let's keep him. :wink:
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Post#845 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:12 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:Lamb and Adams for just Hendo would be ideal. We can use the Portland pick to move up in the draft next summer.


OKC wouldn't even deal Lamb for Henderson straight up, let alone adding Adams. Lamb & Adams are respectively the Thunder future at the SG & C positions. Outside of Charlotte, Henderson doesn't have much clout, if any. The only way the barter is virtually possible from both ends is if the Portland pick is included


I disagree with you on that.. OKC needs scoring now. Lamb is not ready for the kind of pressure and efficient production that team is used to.
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Post#846 » by mrknowitall215 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:29 pm

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Biz Gilwalker wrote:Lamb and Adams for just Hendo would be ideal. We can use the Portland pick to move up in the draft next summer.


OKC wouldn't even deal Lamb for Henderson straight up, let alone adding Adams. Lamb & Adams are respectively the Thunder future at the SG & C positions. Outside of Charlotte, Henderson doesn't have much clout, if any. The only way the barter is virtually possible from both ends is if the Portland pick is included


I disagree with you on that.. OKC needs scoring now. Lamb is not ready for the kind of pressure and efficient production that team is used to.


I agree with you on your assessment as well, but I've seen enough arrogance & content out of OKC's front office over the last couple of years to believe that they'd value Lamb a lot more than Henderson. Lamb & Adams are essentially what they traded James Harden for. You think they'd give up on their prospective futures for Henderson?
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Post#847 » by Eoghan » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:54 pm

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OKC wouldn't even deal Lamb for Henderson straight up, let alone adding Adams. Lamb & Adams are respectively the Thunder future at the SG & C positions. Outside of Charlotte, Henderson doesn't have much clout, if any. The only way the barter is virtually possible from both ends is if the Portland pick is included


I disagree with you on that.. OKC needs scoring now. Lamb is not ready for the kind of pressure and efficient production that team is used to.


I agree with you on your assessment as well, but I've seen enough arrogance & content out of OKC's front office over the last couple of years to believe that they'd value Lamb a lot more than Henderson. Lamb & Adams are essentially what they traded James Harden for. You think they'd give up on their prospective futures for Henderson?

Maybe, if OKC thought that Durant will leave if they don't continue to shore up a playoff team. Hendo is definitely more win-now than Adams and Lamb.
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Post#848 » by HornetJail » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:55 pm

Metta World Peace has been amnestied. One more name to distract teams from offering big bucks to Hendo.
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Post#849 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:01 am

mrknowitall215 wrote: Lamb & Adams are essentially what they traded James Harden for.


Seriously.

They've lost Kevin Martin so they're down to Lamb & Adams for Harden.

There's no way Hendo would be the last remnant of the Harden deal.

I would be more than happy to deal the POR pick with Henderson for Lamb. Lamb is still developing. Ellis would put us in a position to really abandon the 2014 draft. Lamb adds a young quality piece to our core and keeps us in a better draft position.
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Post#850 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:09 am

And the Lamb/Kemba connection definitely matters.
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Post#851 » by fatlever » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:44 am

http://www.hoopsworld.com/what-teams-st ... ding-power

teams that could make a push for hendo

Atlanta Hawks — $19.3 million
Philadelphia 76ers — $16.1 million
Detroit Pistons — $14.5 million
Orlando Magic — $13.7 million
Sacramento Kings — $13.6 million
Milwaukee Bucks — $9.7 million
Dallas Mavericks — $9.3 million
Utah Jazz — $5.3 million
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Post#852 » by HornetJail » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:26 am

Of those teams, the Bucks signed Mayo, the Kings have McLemore and Thonton, Orlando drafted Oladipo #2, the Pistons just drafted KCP, the Sixers have Turner and are likely tanking anyway, and the Jazz don't have the cap space for Hendo. I expect the Hawks and Mavericks to make offers to Ellis first and then to Henderson. Mark Cuban has gone berserk with spending on guards this summer, so one could argue that the Hawks are the only real threat to get one of Ellis/Hendo. They'd go with Ellis, given their only half decent guards at the moment, are rookie Dennis Schroeder and an injured Lou Williams (ACL). They need scoring back there and Ellis makes more sense for them.
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Post#853 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:34 am

fatlever wrote:http://www.hoopsworld.com/what-teams-still-have-spending-power

teams that could make a push for hendo

Atlanta Hawks — $19.3 million
Philadelphia 76ers — $16.1 million
Detroit Pistons — $14.5 million
Orlando Magic — $13.7 million
Sacramento Kings — $13.6 million
Milwaukee Bucks — $9.7 million
Dallas Mavericks — $9.3 million
Utah Jazz — $5.3 million


From your link: Charlotte Bobcats — $6.3 million (since we've been discussing cap numbers today)

Based on their numbers, it looks like they reached this number by ignoring Hendo's cap hold and still including Adrien. The assumption being, we'd have $6.3m left if we are to renounce Hendo. I come up with $6.7m, here's the differences.

A) They have a higher number for Big Al's salary than has been reported, a total of $41,068,500. Maybe they know something I don't though, we both have him with 4.5% raises, they just have a higher total salary.

B) They have McBob's salary at the original report of 2/6, instead of the more recently reported 2/5.5, which I went with.

Aside from those two points we have the same numbers, which is kind of troubling since in either case we shouldn't be able have this much salary and still hold Hendo's rights...he may already be unrestricted. That said, cutting Adrien would put us right at the cap by my numbers (like $165k over), so it's possible we did that so we could maintain Hendo's restricted rights.
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Post#854 » by hhvo » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:07 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Of those teams, the Bucks signed Mayo, the Kings have McLemore and Thonton, Orlando drafted Oladipo #2, the Pistons just drafted KCP, the Sixers have Turner and are likely tanking anyway, and the Jazz don't have the cap space for Hendo. I expect the Hawks and Mavericks to make offers to Ellis first and then to Henderson. Mark Cuban has gone berserk with spending on guards this summer, so one could argue that the Hawks are the only real threat to get one of Ellis/Hendo. They'd go with Ellis, given their only half decent guards at the moment, are rookie Dennis Schroeder and an injured Lou Williams (ACL). They need scoring back there and Ellis makes more sense for them.


Hawks will most likely sign Jennings/Ellis over hendo. They have no one at PG at the moment.

Please let there be no options for Hendo, allowing us to sign him for 5/6M per
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Post#855 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:33 am

hhvo wrote:Hawks will most likely sign Jennings/Ellis over hendo. They have no one at PG at the moment.

Please let there be no options for Hendo, allowing us to sign him for 5/6M per


The Hawks have Dennis Schroeder. If they are in tank mode like it appears, then allowing Shroeder to handle the duties while probably bringing in a veteran stopgap on a short term deal will assure Atlanta of a top 5 pick in the much anticipated 2014 draft

I can't help but to think Danny Ferry's interest in acquiring Monta Ellis is to make him tank commander, by signing a renowned scorer in the NBA that will disrupt team chemistry, help them lose, all the while posting stats that'll make it seem like a good acquisition
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Post#856 » by Diop » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:40 am

He also signed Milsap to pair with Horford, so who knows
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Post#857 » by Eoghan » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:46 am

Sachmo wrote:He also signed Milsap to pair with Horford, so who knows

Poor Horford.
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Post#858 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:01 am

Sachmo wrote:He also signed Milsap to pair with Horford, so who knows


Ferry did that to aggravate Horford. He knew Horford no longer wanted to play the C position, and has been longing to return to his natural position as a PF for years, so what do Ferry do? let Zaza Pachulia walk in wake of Josh Smith's departure. That might just be Ferry's mastermind plan of frustrating Horford's camp into asking for a trade by February's deadline to swing him in a deal for future assets. Either way, they were able to sign Milsap to somewhat of a bargain deal on a short term deal. Also consider that they haven't even yet to make a legitimate attempt to retain their starting PG, Jeff Teague. Trust & believe, the Hawks are tanking.
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Post#859 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:10 am

When the free agency smokes clear, I got Henderson accepting the 1-year QO tender. There's not much noise of any teams even being slightly or remotely interested in his services, and if his asking price is enough to make the Bobcats explore sign & trade options then I doubt any other team would want him more than Charlotte
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Post#860 » by dre4bobcats » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:24 pm

I'm just not that much of a henderson fan anymore... I loved his game coming out of college ...I thought he had the potential to be a all-star SG..... 5 years later he is the same player IMO..So he pretty much has hit his ceiling.. No more than 6-7 mil a year..

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