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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#101 » by hands11 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:27 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Regarding Nene, does anyone know anything about Plantar Fasciatus?

Is it something players usually fully recover from once it heals, or is it one of those things that never heals and they just have to manage?

I remember Chris Whitney having a struggle with it. Was it also what ended Mark Price's career? I know it was something with his foot.

I've been kind of hoping/expecting him to come back this year 100% after a full offseason, but I really don't know the nature of that injury so my expectations may be misplaced.


Did you try a internet search ?

Also, lots of stuff was posted in the Nene thread about this.

Basically, continuous rest is the key. IIRC, 4-6 months was the outside limit on what was needed. Nene's last game was 4/12.
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Post#102 » by rockymac52 » Tue Jul 9, 2013 2:51 pm

We need to find a way to get the Wall/Beal/Webster/Nene/Okafor lineup more action, assuming they're healthy. That lineup was absolutely deadly last season, but in the 22 games they were all active, they averaged only about 6.5 minutes per game all on the court together. Now, that sounds small, but that's just the reality of how NBA lineups work. Even the best starting lineups typically max out at about 10 MPG together from what I can tell. But still, as long as that lineup's stats weren't a complete mirage last season, we need to try and get them more minutes together. An ORtg of 113 with a DRtg of 85 is fantastic. The way I see it, I want to maximize that lineup's minutes to get the most out of their production. Their success will make up for the likely bad lineup we'd have to use when several of those guys went to the bench. At least I think so. What's better, a combination of lineups that are all about even +/-, or a mix and match set with some lineups being very good and some being very bad? I guess it all depends on the precise minutes distributions and all that, so it's hard to definitively say one way or the other. I'm inclined to think one very good lineup that plays a lot of minutes is our best bet, even if it means we have to play really bad lineups for short stretches to make up for it.
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Post#103 » by Upper Decker » Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:10 pm

The Heat played their best basketball last year when they had Lebron at the four and played frantic perimeter defense. Their points came from deflections, steals, transition, and they went on monstrous runs. The Wizards will be able to closely mimic that for 10 MPG if they have a small-ball line up with Ariza at PF. They’ll be deadly with a line-up of Wall, 2 of Beal/Porter/Webster, Ariza and Nene/Okafor.

The Wizards are a healthy Booker and an effective Maynor (unlikely) away from being a really good team.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#104 » by LyricalRico » Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:21 pm

rockymac52 wrote:We need to find a way to get the Wall/Beal/Webster/Nene/Okafor lineup more action, assuming they're healthy. That lineup was absolutely deadly last season, but in the 22 games they were all active, they averaged only about 6.5 minutes per game all on the court together. Now, that sounds small, but that's just the reality of how NBA lineups work. Even the best starting lineups typically max out at about 10 MPG together from what I can tell.


The other consideration is that we'll need to limit the minutes of guys like Nene and Okafor to keep them healthy. So playing that lineup for 6 minutes or so to start the 1st & 3rd quarters is probably be what we're looking at. Maybe also to close some games, depending on the matchups. Definitely more than last year, and in line with what you said the averages seem to be.

Upper Decker wrote:The Heat played their best basketball last year when they had Lebron at the four and played frantic perimeter defense. Their points came from deflections, steals, transition, and they went on monstrous runs. The Wizards will be able to closely mimic that for 10 MPG if they have a small-ball line up with Ariza at PF. They’ll be deadly with a line-up of Wall, 2 of Beal/Porter/Webster, Ariza and Nene/Okafor.

The Wizards are a healthy Booker and an effective Maynor (unlikely) away from being a really good team.


Actually, having a 6'9+ version of Booker that can play C in that small ball lineup would really be the key to that strategy (ie Udonis Haslem). Vesely turning into the Birdman circa 2010 when he was in Denver would be even better.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#105 » by rockymac52 » Tue Jul 9, 2013 4:16 pm

After messing around with potential lineups for the last few hours, I've come to one main conclusion: we are in big trouble if/when Nene or Okafor gets hurt.

Even if we're just resting one of them with a minor day-to-day injury, or to keep them fresh so they can avoid a more serious injury, I can't help but feel like any game where 1 of those 2 guys is sitting out is all but a guaranteed loss. I don't like that. God forbid a situation where both are hurt (which sadly isn't that unrealistic).

I'm a big time supporter of giving Ariza and possibly Porter consistent minutes at PF, because it's really the only way to make the SF rotation work, and I'd rather have one of them playing slightly out of position than give those minutes to Vesely, SIngleton, or Seraphin instead. But even if we can all agree that playing a lot of small ball is a fine strategy, the real problems arise when one of Nene or Okafor is hurt.

We're fortunate that both players can play center, so if Okafor gets hurt, we can slide Nene over to center full-time, and it likely wouldn't be an issue at all (it might even increase his production slightly). However, it's hard to imagine either big man averaging more than 28 MPG. Maybe they could play 30 MPG here and there if needed due to injuries, but it's not a good idea to have them play that much on a regular basis. Like it or not, they're aging, and they simply can't keep up if they're playing 30+ MPG, and it's essentially asking for an injury as a result of overwork.

So let's say Okafor gets hurt and has to miss a few weeks. Okay, we can slide Nene over to center, and he can continue to play about 28 MPG, but that leaves another 20 MPG at center, as well as the entirety of the PF minutes (or at least, what's left over after Ariza gets his regular backup minutes there, so probably about 24-30 MPG by my estimates). Our only other center on the roster is Seraphin, so he'd be the obvious choice to eat up the rest of the 20 MPG at center. Seraphin playing 20 MPG isn't SO bad, as long as he isn't chucking when he's in the game like he did this past season. It's manageable. Then we can throw in Booker for 20 MPG or so at PF, and that's passable as well. However then we're left with about 10 MPG at PF, and you know what that means... Vesely and/or Singleton are cracking the rotation. I hope both of them figure it out and end up having good careers, but I just don't see it happening, especially with us. They have been absolutely dreadful so far, and I don't see any reason to believe that will change. When they're in the game for us, we get destroyed, regardless of who the other 4 players on the court are. It's only 10 MPG, and it doesn't sound like a lot, but trust me, those 10 MPG will be SO bad that they will likely single-handedly lead to losses.

If Vesely and/or Singleton are cracking the rotation, we're in big trouble. Especially if we also have Booker and Seraphin each playing 20 MPG. That's just a disaster of a front court. Sadly, I can't help but feel like such a situation is inevitable. Even if Nene and Okafor have relatively healthy seasons, I expect them to miss a combined 20 games MINIMUM. If my fears prove to be true, and we are basically guaranteed to lose if one of them are out of the lineup, then that's 20 losses right there. And that's with them only missing 20 games combined! In reality, they might be more likely to miss about 40-60 games combined. We could really be in trouble here.

Our problems last year were not with our starting lineup, or our 6th man. Our problems were that Vesely, Singleton, Booker, and Seraphin were so bad they single-handedly cost us games whenever they stepped on the court. They were lineup killers. Hopefully some of them progress, and this problem goes away, but I'm skeptical. We really do need another capable veteran big man to even out our rotation.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#106 » by Upper Decker » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:26 am

Besides Wall, who creates on this team? Suppose Washington makes the playoffs and matches up against the Heat first round. During game 1 Wall roasts Chalmers with high-PnR. At that point Lebron says eff it, I'm taking Wall and he's shut down like Parker was during the finals. Do the Wizards have a Gary Neal that can create in pinches? I know Manu was trash in the playoffs, but he could still attack and create decently when he was forced to.

This is my biggest fear. Beal, Webster, and Ariza are most effective spotting up. Porter might be able to create, but will he be able to carry a team when Wall's out or off his game? Looking at Cleveland and I can't help but think they got a great set up with Irving, Waiters, and Jack. All 3 of those guys can get theirs and get others involved. This is more concerning to me than who takes back up minutes at the 4.
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Post#107 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:28 pm

The past couple days I've caught Beal and Webster on the radio, and I started realizing how much I like this team and how much I'm really looking forward to this season.

I mean Wall, Beal, and Porter... it will be fun watching this young trio as their cohesion grows and their skills progress. All 3 get it and work and play the game the right way. Any of the 3 will run back to block a fast break layup. Just the demeanor and integrity listening to Otto and Brad on the radio. Then factor in Webster. And Okafor. And Nene. And Booker. We actually have a real NBA team. This team has talent, it has intelligence, it has effort, it is an extremely good team defensively (who thought we'd EVER say that!), and I can see this group really coming together this year as a "team".

I love they way this team is set up too. Wall the former #1 pick and star PG, with the slick passing Maynor formerly of VCU as his backup. Beal the real deal sharp-shooter at SG. Backed by the rookie with a troubled past but super talent in Rice Jr, son of a former NBA star, to be this year's Nick Young/Jordan Crawford. Vets Webster with his big 3 pointers and Ariza with his D, joined by this year's #3 pick out of Georgetown Otto Porter with his little of everything. Nene the big Brazilian at PF, with Booker bringing the hammer off the bench. The rock Okafor at center, backup up by the young Seraphin. The old school style of Wittman, with his understudy Sam Cassell. No matter what else happens, this is gonna be a very enjoyable team to watch this year, and a fun team to root for.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#108 » by hands11 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:22 am

rockymac52 wrote:After messing around with potential lineups for the last few hours, I've come to one main conclusion: we are in big trouble if/when Nene or Okafor gets hurt.

Even if we're just resting one of them with a minor day-to-day injury, or to keep them fresh so they can avoid a more serious injury, I can't help but feel like any game where 1 of those 2 guys is sitting out is all but a guaranteed loss. I don't like that. God forbid a situation where both are hurt (which sadly isn't that unrealistic).

I'm a big time supporter of giving Ariza and possibly Porter consistent minutes at PF, because it's really the only way to make the SF rotation work, and I'd rather have one of them playing slightly out of position than give those minutes to Vesely, SIngleton, or Seraphin instead. But even if we can all agree that playing a lot of small ball is a fine strategy, the real problems arise when one of Nene or Okafor is hurt.

We're fortunate that both players can play center, so if Okafor gets hurt, we can slide Nene over to center full-time, and it likely wouldn't be an issue at all (it might even increase his production slightly). However, it's hard to imagine either big man averaging more than 28 MPG. Maybe they could play 30 MPG here and there if needed due to injuries, but it's not a good idea to have them play that much on a regular basis. Like it or not, they're aging, and they simply can't keep up if they're playing 30+ MPG, and it's essentially asking for an injury as a result of overwork.

So let's say Okafor gets hurt and has to miss a few weeks. Okay, we can slide Nene over to center, and he can continue to play about 28 MPG, but that leaves another 20 MPG at center, as well as the entirety of the PF minutes (or at least, what's left over after Ariza gets his regular backup minutes there, so probably about 24-30 MPG by my estimates). Our only other center on the roster is Seraphin, so he'd be the obvious choice to eat up the rest of the 20 MPG at center. Seraphin playing 20 MPG isn't SO bad, as long as he isn't chucking when he's in the game like he did this past season. It's manageable. Then we can throw in Booker for 20 MPG or so at PF, and that's passable as well. However then we're left with about 10 MPG at PF, and you know what that means... Vesely and/or Singleton are cracking the rotation. I hope both of them figure it out and end up having good careers, but I just don't see it happening, especially with us. They have been absolutely dreadful so far, and I don't see any reason to believe that will change. When they're in the game for us, we get destroyed, regardless of who the other 4 players on the court are. It's only 10 MPG, and it doesn't sound like a lot, but trust me, those 10 MPG will be SO bad that they will likely single-handedly lead to losses.

If Vesely and/or Singleton are cracking the rotation, we're in big trouble. Especially if we also have Booker and Seraphin each playing 20 MPG. That's just a disaster of a front court. Sadly, I can't help but feel like such a situation is inevitable. Even if Nene and Okafor have relatively healthy seasons, I expect them to miss a combined 20 games MINIMUM. If my fears prove to be true, and we are basically guaranteed to lose if one of them are out of the lineup, then that's 20 losses right there. And that's with them only missing 20 games combined! In reality, they might be more likely to miss about 40-60 games combined. We could really be in trouble here.

Our problems last year were not with our starting lineup, or our 6th man. Our problems were that Vesely, Singleton, Booker, and Seraphin were so bad they single-handedly cost us games whenever they stepped on the court. They were lineup killers. Hopefully some of them progress, and this problem goes away, but I'm skeptical. We really do need another capable veteran big man to even out our rotation.


:lol:

How can you really just be getting this after it has been posted about through several draft threads, trades threads, FA threads, what would you do it you were GM, etc. ?

A 7-0 defensive center and a 3rd guard that could score and that had handles were the targets. Lots of combinations of players were discussed. Its why even though many liked Otto, we debated if he was the right choice.

But they went Otto. Now they have to keep building around that decision which made sense for its own reasons. Lets see what other moves get made before we worry to much.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#109 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:26 am

hands11 wrote:
rockymac52 wrote:After messing around with potential lineups for the last few hours, I've come to one main conclusion: we are in big trouble if/when Nene or Okafor gets hurt.

Even if we're just resting one of them with a minor day-to-day injury, or to keep them fresh so they can avoid a more serious injury, I can't help but feel like any game where 1 of those 2 guys is sitting out is all but a guaranteed loss. I don't like that. God forbid a situation where both are hurt (which sadly isn't that unrealistic).

I'm a big time supporter of giving Ariza and possibly Porter consistent minutes at PF, because it's really the only way to make the SF rotation work, and I'd rather have one of them playing slightly out of position than give those minutes to Vesely, SIngleton, or Seraphin instead. But even if we can all agree that playing a lot of small ball is a fine strategy, the real problems arise when one of Nene or Okafor is hurt.

We're fortunate that both players can play center, so if Okafor gets hurt, we can slide Nene over to center full-time, and it likely wouldn't be an issue at all (it might even increase his production slightly). However, it's hard to imagine either big man averaging more than 28 MPG. Maybe they could play 30 MPG here and there if needed due to injuries, but it's not a good idea to have them play that much on a regular basis. Like it or not, they're aging, and they simply can't keep up if they're playing 30+ MPG, and it's essentially asking for an injury as a result of overwork.

So let's say Okafor gets hurt and has to miss a few weeks. Okay, we can slide Nene over to center, and he can continue to play about 28 MPG, but that leaves another 20 MPG at center, as well as the entirety of the PF minutes (or at least, what's left over after Ariza gets his regular backup minutes there, so probably about 24-30 MPG by my estimates). Our only other center on the roster is Seraphin, so he'd be the obvious choice to eat up the rest of the 20 MPG at center. Seraphin playing 20 MPG isn't SO bad, as long as he isn't chucking when he's in the game like he did this past season. It's manageable. Then we can throw in Booker for 20 MPG or so at PF, and that's passable as well. However then we're left with about 10 MPG at PF, and you know what that means... Vesely and/or Singleton are cracking the rotation. I hope both of them figure it out and end up having good careers, but I just don't see it happening, especially with us. They have been absolutely dreadful so far, and I don't see any reason to believe that will change. When they're in the game for us, we get destroyed, regardless of who the other 4 players on the court are. It's only 10 MPG, and it doesn't sound like a lot, but trust me, those 10 MPG will be SO bad that they will likely single-handedly lead to losses.

If Vesely and/or Singleton are cracking the rotation, we're in big trouble. Especially if we also have Booker and Seraphin each playing 20 MPG. That's just a disaster of a front court. Sadly, I can't help but feel like such a situation is inevitable. Even if Nene and Okafor have relatively healthy seasons, I expect them to miss a combined 20 games MINIMUM. If my fears prove to be true, and we are basically guaranteed to lose if one of them are out of the lineup, then that's 20 losses right there. And that's with them only missing 20 games combined! In reality, they might be more likely to miss about 40-60 games combined. We could really be in trouble here.

Our problems last year were not with our starting lineup, or our 6th man. Our problems were that Vesely, Singleton, Booker, and Seraphin were so bad they single-handedly cost us games whenever they stepped on the court. They were lineup killers. Hopefully some of them progress, and this problem goes away, but I'm skeptical. We really do need another capable veteran big man to even out our rotation.


:lol:

How can you really just be getting this after it has been posted about through several draft threads, trades threads, FA threads, what would you do it you were GM, etc. ?



I'm still holding some hope Singleton can find his niche as a 3 & D stretch 4. If he can develop into a consistent 3 pt shooter who can defend.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#110 » by hands11 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:01 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
hands11 wrote:
rockymac52 wrote:After messing around with potential lineups for the last few hours, I've come to one main conclusion: we are in big trouble if/when Nene or Okafor gets hurt.

Even if we're just resting one of them with a minor day-to-day injury, or to keep them fresh so they can avoid a more serious injury, I can't help but feel like any game where 1 of those 2 guys is sitting out is all but a guaranteed loss. I don't like that. God forbid a situation where both are hurt (which sadly isn't that unrealistic).

I'm a big time supporter of giving Ariza and possibly Porter consistent minutes at PF, because it's really the only way to make the SF rotation work, and I'd rather have one of them playing slightly out of position than give those minutes to Vesely, SIngleton, or Seraphin instead. But even if we can all agree that playing a lot of small ball is a fine strategy, the real problems arise when one of Nene or Okafor is hurt.

We're fortunate that both players can play center, so if Okafor gets hurt, we can slide Nene over to center full-time, and it likely wouldn't be an issue at all (it might even increase his production slightly). However, it's hard to imagine either big man averaging more than 28 MPG. Maybe they could play 30 MPG here and there if needed due to injuries, but it's not a good idea to have them play that much on a regular basis. Like it or not, they're aging, and they simply can't keep up if they're playing 30+ MPG, and it's essentially asking for an injury as a result of overwork.

So let's say Okafor gets hurt and has to miss a few weeks. Okay, we can slide Nene over to center, and he can continue to play about 28 MPG, but that leaves another 20 MPG at center, as well as the entirety of the PF minutes (or at least, what's left over after Ariza gets his regular backup minutes there, so probably about 24-30 MPG by my estimates). Our only other center on the roster is Seraphin, so he'd be the obvious choice to eat up the rest of the 20 MPG at center. Seraphin playing 20 MPG isn't SO bad, as long as he isn't chucking when he's in the game like he did this past season. It's manageable. Then we can throw in Booker for 20 MPG or so at PF, and that's passable as well. However then we're left with about 10 MPG at PF, and you know what that means... Vesely and/or Singleton are cracking the rotation. I hope both of them figure it out and end up having good careers, but I just don't see it happening, especially with us. They have been absolutely dreadful so far, and I don't see any reason to believe that will change. When they're in the game for us, we get destroyed, regardless of who the other 4 players on the court are. It's only 10 MPG, and it doesn't sound like a lot, but trust me, those 10 MPG will be SO bad that they will likely single-handedly lead to losses.

If Vesely and/or Singleton are cracking the rotation, we're in big trouble. Especially if we also have Booker and Seraphin each playing 20 MPG. That's just a disaster of a front court. Sadly, I can't help but feel like such a situation is inevitable. Even if Nene and Okafor have relatively healthy seasons, I expect them to miss a combined 20 games MINIMUM. If my fears prove to be true, and we are basically guaranteed to lose if one of them are out of the lineup, then that's 20 losses right there. And that's with them only missing 20 games combined! In reality, they might be more likely to miss about 40-60 games combined. We could really be in trouble here.

Our problems last year were not with our starting lineup, or our 6th man. Our problems were that Vesely, Singleton, Booker, and Seraphin were so bad they single-handedly cost us games whenever they stepped on the court. They were lineup killers. Hopefully some of them progress, and this problem goes away, but I'm skeptical. We really do need another capable veteran big man to even out our rotation.


:lol:

How can you really just be getting this after it has been posted about through several draft threads, trades threads, FA threads, what would you do it you were GM, etc. ?



I'm still holding some hope Singleton can find his niche as a 3 & D stretch 4. If he can develop into a consistent 3 pt shooter who can defend.


Sure that would help, but its not the same as having another legit option for center. They can roll with Nene and Okafor at center and audition lots of players at PF and get by with the talent they have at PG, SG, and SF. With both healthy, thats actually very solid.

But this would be a lot stronger if they had at a min, a young defensive center like Len, Withey, Iverson, Dieng or better still with a middle aged one like Omer Asik.

Just hard for me to see relying on Kevin S to be the mature beast we would need down there in a pinch.

They should be able to do ok with one of Nene or Okafor out since both can play center. But I would be more comfortable if they had even a Jeff Withey, Mike Muscala, or Colton Iverson behind them. All of whom they could have had.

They still have some roster building they need to do. Still to many projects on the team. Not sure they can keep Kevin, Ves, Singleton and Booker when none of them project well to be a Nene or Okafor replacement.

But they do have some buffer. If Nene is out, Okafor is the starting center for 30 minutes with Kevin backing him up. You have rebounding with Okafor so then you have S4 PFs that can score with Trevor A, Otto and maybe Singleton with Kevin hopefully scoring more efficiently as well.

If Okafor is out, then Nene is the center who can score and pass with some rebouding. But you need more rebounding so you have Booker at PF option for that.

Its not idea, but it would work ok.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#111 » by Liverbird » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:20 am

Upper Decker wrote:Besides Wall, who creates on this team? Suppose Washington makes the playoffs and matches up against the Heat first round. During game 1 Wall roasts Chalmers with high-PnR. At that point Lebron says eff it, I'm taking Wall and he's shut down like Parker was during the finals. Do the Wizards have a Gary Neal that can create in pinches? I know Manu was trash in the playoffs, but he could still attack and create decently when he was forced to.

This is my biggest fear. Beal, Webster, and Ariza are most effective spotting up. Porter might be able to create, but will he be able to carry a team when Wall's out or off his game? Looking at Cleveland and I can't help but think they got a great set up with Irving, Waiters, and Jack. All 3 of those guys can get theirs and get others involved. This is more concerning to me than who takes back up minutes at the 4.


My bet is that GRJr will be that guy eventually. Not saying he's going to replace Beal - but certainly play along side @SF. Beal will get better and Porter has a decent post game. We won't need quiet as much from Wall as in the past when his wings were Vesely and Singleton.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#112 » by hands11 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:48 am

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

From the sounds of things from Randy, more front line help is in the plans.
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Post#113 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:25 am

Upper Decker wrote:Besides Wall, who creates on this team? Suppose Washington makes the playoffs and matches up against the Heat first round. During game 1 Wall roasts Chalmers with high-PnR. At that point Lebron says eff it, I'm taking Wall and he's shut down like Parker was during the finals. Do the Wizards have a Gary Neal that can create in pinches? I know Manu was trash in the playoffs, but he could still attack and create decently when he was forced to.

This is my biggest fear. Beal, Webster, and Ariza are most effective spotting up. Porter might be able to create, but will he be able to carry a team when Wall's out or off his game? Looking at Cleveland and I can't help but think they got a great set up with Irving, Waiters, and Jack. All 3 of those guys can get theirs and get others involved. This is more concerning to me than who takes back up minutes at the 4.


Violent agreement... everyone is talking about a stretch 4 - we either need a wing that can create his own shot and break down the D or a post-up monster :devil:
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#114 » by payitforward » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:45 am

hands11 wrote:
rockymac52 wrote:...Our problems last year were not with our starting lineup, or our 6th man. Our problems were that Vesely, Singleton, Booker, and Seraphin were so bad....

...How can you really just be getting this after it has been posted about through several draft threads, trades threads, FA threads, what would you do it you were GM, etc. ?

Hold on a minute there Hands old chap! Didn't you just disagree when I wrote this? And now you're laughing at Rockymac for not already knowing it?

Tell the truth, Hands -- you forget what you've written right after you push "Submit", don't you?
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Post#115 » by Knighthonor » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:36 am

dckingsfan wrote:
Upper Decker wrote:Besides Wall, who creates on this team? Suppose Washington makes the playoffs and matches up against the Heat first round. During game 1 Wall roasts Chalmers with high-PnR. At that point Lebron says eff it, I'm taking Wall and he's shut down like Parker was during the finals. Do the Wizards have a Gary Neal that can create in pinches? I know Manu was trash in the playoffs, but he could still attack and create decently when he was forced to.

This is my biggest fear. Beal, Webster, and Ariza are most effective spotting up. Porter might be able to create, but will he be able to carry a team when Wall's out or off his game? Looking at Cleveland and I can't help but think they got a great set up with Irving, Waiters, and Jack. All 3 of those guys can get theirs and get others involved. This is more concerning to me than who takes back up minutes at the 4.


Violent agreement... everyone is talking about a stretch 4 - we either need a wing that can create his own shot and break down the D or a post-up monster :devil:

Sounds like Rice. I dont know about you.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#116 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:52 pm

Knighthonor wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Upper Decker wrote:Besides Wall, who creates on this team? Suppose Washington makes the playoffs and matches up against the Heat first round. During game 1 Wall roasts Chalmers with high-PnR. At that point Lebron says eff it, I'm taking Wall and he's shut down like Parker was during the finals. Do the Wizards have a Gary Neal that can create in pinches? I know Manu was trash in the playoffs, but he could still attack and create decently when he was forced to.

This is my biggest fear. Beal, Webster, and Ariza are most effective spotting up. Porter might be able to create, but will he be able to carry a team when Wall's out or off his game? Looking at Cleveland and I can't help but think they got a great set up with Irving, Waiters, and Jack. All 3 of those guys can get theirs and get others involved. This is more concerning to me than who takes back up minutes at the 4.


Violent agreement... everyone is talking about a stretch 4 - we either need a wing that can create his own shot and break down the D or a post-up monster :devil:

Sounds like Rice. I dont know about you.


It would be great if it was Rice, but my guess is Rice either will not play or get very limited minutes for the next year or two. I think the point made earlier was that Beal, Porter, Ariza and Webster don't do a great job breaking down their person off the dribble and none are known for posting their person up.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#117 » by hands11 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:53 pm

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rockymac52 wrote:...Our problems last year were not with our starting lineup, or our 6th man. Our problems were that Vesely, Singleton, Booker, and Seraphin were so bad....

...How can you really just be getting this after it has been posted about through several draft threads, trades threads, FA threads, what would you do it you were GM, etc. ?

Hold on a minute there Hands old chap! Didn't you just disagree when I wrote this? And now you're laughing at Rockymac for not already knowing it?

Tell the truth, Hands -- you forget what you've written right after you push "Submit", don't you?


Really PIF. Just go away. I have no interest in playing your silly games.

I feel no need to review my position with you. Mostly because you are only interested in made up conflict by parsing parts of people posts and making up their position and asking them to defend something you think they think. Not sure what you goal is in participating on this board, but mine in not getting into circular exchanges with posters like you.

Been there. Done that. Not interested.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#118 » by Ruzious » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:14 pm

hands11 wrote:http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/?tag=Washington%20Wizards%20&tagId=0000013b-206c-db26-af3b-edec17ed0000

From the sounds of things from Randy, more front line help is in the plans.

Thanks for posting that. Randy is refreshlingly honest and open (particularly starting at the 7 minute mark) - almost the opposite of EG. Clearly, if he gets his way, the Wiz will acquire a stretch the floor big man. Looking around the Association, there are surprisingly few of them.
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Re: 2013-2014 Wizard's lineup 

Post#119 » by hands11 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:09 pm

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hands11 wrote:http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/?tag=Washington%20Wizards%20&tagId=0000013b-206c-db26-af3b-edec17ed0000

From the sounds of things from Randy, more front line help is in the plans.

Thanks for posting that. Randy is refreshlingly honest and open (particularly starting at the 7 minute mark) - almost the opposite of EG. Clearly, if he gets his way, the Wiz will acquire a stretch the floor big man. Looking around the Association, there are surprisingly few of them.


np

Yeah. Randy has a good style. When you listen to him and then players like Singleton, you can hear that Randy has been upfront and clear in explaining what he wants from them and how the time is now. Singleton went as far as to say, I need to be consistent with my shot and aggressive ever minutes I am out there. And if I can't do it, they will find someone else.

Hell, even EG did a decent job of echoing the same stuff. Basically said, the time is now for Ves, Singleton, Booker and Kevin. This summer is big for all of them. Yeah, we are still looking, but everyone is always looking. We have 14. If we find the right FA, we may be 15. If the right situation presents itself for a trade, we will make a move. If not, we are good with what we added.

Resigned Webster and Temple
Added Otto, Glen and Maynor vs C Martin, Price, and Collins. I would call that progress.

Still not exactly what I wanted to see, but I did want to see Webby and Temple resigned. I did want more PG vet help, but I wanted to see some help up front. But there is still time for that.

Interesting though.. As of right now, they team actually got even younger. They need to keep a balance.
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Post#120 » by hands11 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:38 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:The past couple days I've caught Beal and Webster on the radio, and I started realizing how much I like this team and how much I'm really looking forward to this season.

I mean Wall, Beal, and Porter... it will be fun watching this young trio as their cohesion grows and their skills progress. All 3 get it and work and play the game the right way. Any of the 3 will run back to block a fast break layup. Just the demeanor and integrity listening to Otto and Brad on the radio. Then factor in Webster. And Okafor. And Nene. And Booker. We actually have a real NBA team. This team has talent, it has intelligence, it has effort, it is an extremely good team defensively (who thought we'd EVER say that!), and I can see this group really coming together this year as a "team".

I love they way this team is set up too. Wall the former #1 pick and star PG, with the slick passing Maynor formerly of VCU as his backup. Beal the real deal sharp-shooter at SG. Backed by the rookie with a troubled past but super talent in Rice Jr, son of a former NBA star, to be this year's Nick Young/Jordan Crawford. Vets Webster with his big 3 pointers and Ariza with his D, joined by this year's #3 pick out of Georgetown Otto Porter with his little of everything. Nene the big Brazilian at PF, with Booker bringing the hammer off the bench. The rock Okafor at center, backup up by the young Seraphin. The old school style of Wittman, with his understudy Sam Cassell. No matter what else happens, this is gonna be a very enjoyable team to watch this year, and a fun team to root for.



http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... #stats::19

Keep in mind, the Wizards had the 5th and 11th best net pts lines ups for line ups over 100 min.

B. Beal | N. Hilario | E. Okafor | J. Wall | M. Webster plus 27
B. Beal | N. Hilario | E. Okafor | A. Price | M. Webster plus 19.5

Problem is losing players like Beal. Having him out was a bigger hit then having Wall out.

N. Hilario | E. Okafor | G. Temple | J. Wall | M. Webster Neg 6.3

So if they can keep the starting 5 healthy, they will be really good.

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