BaTATAS 1.0: DISCUSSION THREAD 1 - LOCK PLEASE!!!

[Grinditout]

I think people are already mixing or confusing what this is all about already, my understanding from reading the rules is this is about career projection etc after they made the All Star Game and how they mesh with said teammates for the most part or am I the one that's wrong?
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I was of the mindset that we take into account the player's ENTIRE career(if current player, then their career up till now).

Hopefully LBP can clear this up.

[WillyJakkz]

^ Yeah you may be right, a player's peak that made an All Star game, yeah that sounds about right.

Makes more sense than my def.

And yeah guys are falling...gives me hope!

[LBPTarHeel27]

Kareem was a GREAT pick.

I think people are already mixing or confusing what this is all about already, my understanding from reading the rules is this is about career projection etc after they made the All Star Game and how they mesh with said teammates for the most part or am I the one that's wrong?

Kareem had one of if not the longest and highest peaks/ primes longevity in NBA history and is a great piece to have for nearly 2 decades.

Again...this is a very subjective process. At the end of the day, you are building the team you want to see play.

However, in terms of how I view the judgement process...I outlined it to be based around a player's "good years". So if a guy took 5 years to develop in to the player he truly was, you are throwing out those first five years. In MJ's case, you are throwing out the Wizard days. I never intended for you to start looking at them from their first All-Star appearance, it was more entering their prime. Both fairly similar...but if a guy has a great year but hadn't made his first All-Star appearance yet, I would still take this season in to consideration.

With my #6 pick...there were probably a few guys that I should have taken ahead of Hakeem in terms of trying to win this thing...but I honestly just didn't want to draft them. I thought I would have more fun building around Hakeem than those left on the board...so I went with Hakeem.

Kareem is definitely a great pick, regardless of how you want to look at it. As you said, the guy's career spanned a ton of time and he was effective for quite a bit of it. That is definitely a plus when you are talking about judgement. If he was there for me, I certainly would have taken him for those reasons AND that he would be just as much fun to build around (in my mind) as Hakeem.

Again...this is a very subjective process. The opinions in this are going to be much stronger and different from one another than a regular B-a-T. That is what I like about the idea.

[Grinditout]

Ah ok, this will be very interesting then. Probably have quite a few people disagree on a player's "good years" are. But this makes it more random and fun I suppose.

Thanks for clearing it up.

[LBPTarHeel27]

Ah ok, this will be very interesting then. Probably have quite a few people disagree on a player's "good years" are. But this makes it more random and fun I suppose.

Thanks for clearing it up.

To think there would be a "perfect" judgement system when you are talking about players that spanned over 40 years is a little naive. They can't even get it right after (I think) 9 or 10 regular B-a-T's on the Knicks board...and those guys are "pros". That is why I am trying to emphasize the idea of building the team that YOU want to see play...not the team that you think the other 19 people want to see play. At the end of the day you will get a lot more enjoyment out of the process instead of annoyance.

[MagicFan32]

shoot me an email or a PM if anyone is interested in the 15th pick

[LBPTarHeel27]

shoot me an email or a PM if anyone is interested in the 15th pick

Sent ya an offer via e-mail

[Coaster80]

If I had the 2nd pick I wouldve taken KAJ.

[TDJacksonville]

Lebron is a walking triple Double. theres been plenty of Good All Star centers. hell one could argue hes more dominant then MJ was. sure lebron doesnt have the Rings MJ does but he was Basically the whole team on cleveland.

[Grinditout]

I too thought KAJ would have gone 2nd. Lebron has a very good case but the caveat is that his peak isn't finished yet, and since we're only judging on a player's peak it would make it hard to judge him considering we can't predict the future. But it's not tooo much of a reach. I had him as top 6 and at 2nd is still decent.

[LBPTarHeel27]

I too thought KAJ would have gone 2nd. Lebron has a very good case but the caveat is that his peak isn't finished yet, and since we're only judging on a player's peak it would make it hard to judge him considering we can't predict the future. But it's not tooo much of a reach. I had him as top 6 and at 2nd is still decent.

Seattle may pick.

[MagicFan32]

I thought Wilt might slip thru the cracks. this dude averaged 50 points 1 year, 25+ rebounds another, and led the league in assists after that....

[Grinditout]

I thought Wilt might slip thru the cracks. this dude averaged 50 points 1 year, 25+ rebounds another, and led the league in assists after that....

His individual talent is arguably GOAT, it's his underwhelming playoff performances and subpar era/competition that is against him.

Still a good pick at #7.

[MagicFan32]

I thought Wilt might slip thru the cracks. this dude averaged 50 points 1 year, 25+ rebounds another, and led the league in assists after that....

His individual talent is arguably GOAT, it's his underwhelming playoff performances and subpar era/competition that is against him.

Still a good pick at #7.

i don't hold it much against him, nobody can do it alone, those boston teams were stacked, and when he got to the lakers he finally had a team talented enough to play with the celtics, though Russell often gets underrated in GOAT discussions sometimes

[Grinditout]

I thought Wilt might slip thru the cracks. this dude averaged 50 points 1 year, 25+ rebounds another, and led the league in assists after that....

His individual talent is arguably GOAT, it's his underwhelming playoff performances and subpar era/competition that is against him.

Still a good pick at #7.

takes an entire team to win championships, nobody can do it alone.....

No doubt, but the general knock on Wilt is that he himself could have performed better to help his team than he did. It's been said that he didn't have the drive that some of the other HOF greats did.

[lilroddyb]

I understand why some of you would choose other players rather than Lebron. I was thinking about 4 players (Shaq, Hakeem, Lebron and player x ) but ended up choosing lebron. The main reasons I chose him are few. First of all he is extremely versatile, can guard 4 positions effectively. Is an excellent passer, Great volume scorer with extremely high True shooting %.

Some superstars are bad teammates, they are in some cases really selfish and complete dicks to their teammates. Lebron is really unselfish and his teammates seem to really like playing with him, So he is excellent for team chemistry

He is an athletic freak. Heavier than many powerforwards but is fast enough to guard pointgaurds. So He gives me possibility to become exremely big team. If I get decent pf and Center who can rebound and defent My team is going to be huge. If Magic can play pointguard then so can Lebron Imo

then he has the stats and achievements, 4 time mvp, 2 finals mvp, runner up in defensive player of the year. his volume stats and advanced stats are with the absolute best of them. So even if he has not reached his peak I still think his last years are compareble with the best players ever

He is still playing and we don't know how his career will end. But He looks like he is an Iron man so far. No big injuries

anyway those are just my opinions lol

[Coaster80]

I mean regardless LBJ is a good pick anywhere for the reasons you listed plus more.

I just have KAJ a spot or two above him because of the scoring, longevity and the 6 MVPs.

[lilroddyb]

I mean regardless LBJ is a good pick anywhere for the reasons you listed plus more.

I just have KAJ a spot or two above him because of the scoring, longevity and the 6 MVPs.

Yeah Kareem is an excellent pick

[Grinditout]

I think Bird at 8 is great value. One of the GOAT peaks, hit 90-50-40 percentages twice. If not for his shortened peak due to injuries, he probably would have been higher

[LBPTarHeel27]

Just e-mailed the next pick...make sure you are doing so after you pick. Even if you didn't make the most recent pick, feel free to inform the person OTC anyway.