BaTATAS 1.0: DISCUSSION THREAD 1 - LOCK PLEASE!!!

EArl · Post #1421 » by **EArl** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:07 am

Whoever chose Horry has a chance to change their pick. Horry never was an all star.

Post #1422 » by **SOUL** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:08 am

you mean the guy that doesnt have a team thats in the bat?

supplyndemand69 · Post #1423 » by **supplyndemand69** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:08 am

The Denver Nuggets and New York Knicks have agreed to a trade.

Denver trades: 163 & 198
Knicks trades: 176 & 186

supplyndemand69 · Post #1424 » by **supplyndemand69** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:12 am

Delete

spree8 · Post #1425 » by **spree8** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:13 am

supplyndemand69 wrote:The Denver Nuggets and New York Knicks have agreed to a trade.

Denver trades: 163 & 198
Knicks trades: 176 & 186

Agreed. Was hoping to do this tomorrow but this guy gets an email saying he's OTC @ 11:55

I'll post my pick, and guess we have to wait for commish approval for it to be official?

EArl · Post #1426 » by **EArl** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:16 am

The guy just randomly posted something.

Grinditout · Post #1427 » by **Grinditout** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:17 am

EArl wrote::lol: The guy just randomly posted something.

Everybody just ignore that lol.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #1428 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:24 am

What a jackass...oh well...

Trade is confirmed (assuming those picks are correct). Honestly, I'm a bit intoxicated right now so I'll update the picks to reflect the trade in the morning...off the next couple days. I'll send my list out...just in case I am OTC.

Grinditout · Post #1429 » by **Grinditout** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:27 am

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:What a jackass...oh well...

Trade is confirmed (assuming those picks are correct). Honestly, I'm a bit intoxicated right now so I'll update the picks to reflect the trade in the morning...off the next couple days. I'll send my list out...just in case I am OTC.

I got you bro

bigdogdylan5 · Post #1430 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:42 am

question about pimp thread lets say we want to discuss something that is put in pimp thread does that discussion go here or in that thread after everybody has finished their one pimp post?

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #1431 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:57 am

Grinditout wrote:
LBPTarHeel27 wrote:What a jackass...oh well...

Trade is confirmed (assuming those picks are correct). Honestly, I'm a bit intoxicated right now so I'll update the picks to reflect the trade in the morning...off the next couple days. I'll send my list out...just in case I am OTC.

I got you bro

Thanks man...just sent it over.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #1432 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:58 am

bigdogdylan5 wrote:question about pimp thread lets say we want to discuss something that is put in pimp thread does that discussion go here or in that thread after everybody has finished their one pimp post?

Any and all discussion goes here.

bigdogdylan5 · Post #1433 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:59 am

Manhattan Project wrote:Oh yeah well I want Theo Ratliff, you don't see me complaining!

Dude I was actually really considering him he would be a good value as backup center and I was like WTF name drop and then I saw he didn't play in Allstar game so thanks for not making me look like an idiot

jgosche · Post #1434 » by **jgosche** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:10 am

Alright so I was in a rush while making my previous posts, I'll give a more complete defense of my boy K-Love now.

oh so 1 more game is so much but when u look at the Minutes Played harden has 4 less minutes than love in 1 less game

I can't even understand this.

oh and winning a 3 point shooting contest doesnt make you good. i mean James jones and Jason kapono both have wont it and they arent that great of players.

You're not only twisting my point but you're using a selective use of evidence to try to make a point by bringing up Jones and Kapono, which weakens your argument, The 3-pt contest is a skill competition which means it allows players to prove they are extremely good at that particular skill. Winning the competition was a memorable showcase of Love's 3-pt ability. Of course not everybody who wins it is a great player, but it provided an example of an important NBA skill.

lets get some correct numbers here.
1) James Harden has played in 298 regular season games with 85 starts in 4 years. harden also adds 49 playoff games with 6 starts.
2) Kevin Love has played in 287 regular season games with 205 starts in 5 years.

Okay, you're right that Harden has played in more games. It is however, worth noting that Harden played 29.7 mpg in those games while Love played 31.8 mpg, meaning Love technically has almost 300 more regular season minutes.

And yes, including playoffs Harden does have an advantage in NBA experience but its such a small advantage this it makes your reasoning for Love being a bad pick because he was injured last season look silly.

lets look at the Per 36 seeing how the Thunder didnt play him the same mins love gets so its Apples to Apples not apples to oranges though its still kinda that way in terms of a SG to PF.

career Average for Harden: 19.6 points, 4.6 rebs, 4.1 assists, along with 1,5 steals.
Career Average for Love: 19.6 points, 13.8 rebounds, 2,2 assists, along with .7 steals.
the major difference here appears to be rebounding and thats purely off of Love being a PF and not a SG.

I've already stated why per 36 is a clown stat to use in this kind of competition, but I think it's funny that Love looks clearly better even when you do use it.

And you saying that Love's outstanding rebounding numbers are "just because he's a PF" is rediculous. His numbers are elite, well above the average for PFs and Cs. You can't just discount the stat because it's a stat that's usually achieved by big man. The point is, any stat like that is weighted into the total value of a player, and Love hains a lot of value from his rebounding. Harden is not particularly noteworthy in any skill but scoring, and that's where Love separates himself.[/quote]

next we can go use Total Shooting Percentage for both careers to see who the better shooter is in career.

Harden: .603
Love: .557

Saying a higher TS% makes Harden in shooter is disingenuous, but yes, Harden has overall been more efficient.

Worth noting, however that:
1. Love has had to shoot more throughout his career, given his role. He hasn't been able to be as picky.
2. Harden had a better supporting cast around him.
3. A 4.6% higher TS% does not make up for the discrepancy in rebounding.

like i said if u looked at the Other Stats i posted love doesnt anything else then Score Points and Rebound.

No, you didn't? Are you referring to the stats you posted in which Harden has slight higher assists and steals? Because those are hardly convincing arguments.

I debunked ur LOVE played more Games BS. i didnt even count post season and he has him beat. not in starts but in games overall.
i debunked ur love is a Better shooter with Total Shooting Percentage which Harden shoots 5% better than love.
you then say hes played in more All Star games but if u look at minutes combined with games Harden has played more minutes/Game. i wouldnt be all that shocked if Harden Passed Love in Minutes Played in all star game next year. you say hes good shooter and you back it up with he won the 3 point shooting contest well guess wat arguebly the best scorer MJ scored 5 points in that contest but does that make him a bad shooter. no it doesnt. 3 point contest dont Mean ****.

If only there was some kind of rating that calculates the total efficiently of a player, maybe that could solve this silly argument.

Oh wait, player efficiently ratings exist.
Career PER for Kevin Love: 22.1
Career PER for James Harden: 19.2

And that's even including the fact that Love had a terrible season because of injury.

bigdogdylan5 · Post #1435 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:28 am

I am a little confused why you guys are spending so much time arguing your late selections why don't you guys focus on the stars and starters of your team that will be playing 34+ mins instead of one of your bench guys who might be lucky to get about 25 minutes played

jgosche · Post #1436 » by **jgosche** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:34 am

bigdogdylan5 wrote:I am a little confused why you guys are spending so much time arguing your late selections why don't you guys focus on the stars and starters of your team that will be playing 34+ mins instead of one of your bench guys who might be lucky to get about 25 minutes played

Beats me, he was saying my pick was bad and I've just been explaining why it wasn't.

bigdogdylan5 · Post #1437 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:41 am

jgosche wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:I am a little confused why you guys are spending so much time arguing your late selections why don't you guys focus on the stars and starters of your team that will be playing 34+ mins instead of one of your bench guys who might be lucky to get about 25 minutes played

Beats me, he was saying my pick was bad and I've just been explaining why it wasn't.

He has been very vocal this whole time and judging others teams harshly and unfairly while not even pointing a finger at his team I wouldn't bother with it honestly

WillyJakkz · Post #1438 » by **WillyJakkz** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:30 am

Thought I'd share this w you guys:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1266319

Link to a great discussion on the General Board about are there any active players you consider all time greats already?

Check it out and chime in.

jgosche · Post #1439 » by **jgosche** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:34 pm

Saw it was my turn, and then searched the front page 3 times to make sure Ricky Pierce hadn't been picked.

Then I posted my pick for him and realized he was literally taken before me.

I need some sleep.

Grinditout · Post #1440 » by **Grinditout** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:41 pm

Surprised and glad to get Blackman this late in the draft.