Rumor: Gores may already be looking to sell.

[Natopher]

Because people have this moronic fantasy that it'll help make Detroit into a glorious city that would make NY and LA jealous. These are the same people who think sports arenas will solve Detroit's several municipal problems, it's dwindling population, and the city council that operates as if it's high on PCP and cocaine. As I said before, sports fans can be some of the dumbest people around.

The Tigers, and the Lions(Both much bigger draws btw)didn't revitalize the city. The casinos did jack ****, but no. Its the Detroit Pistons that will do it.

No one EVER came close to saying that simply moving the PIstons to downtown Detroit would make us some sort of super LA or NY. No one here believes that. No one here claimed that simply moving the Pistons to downtown Detroit would fix the economy. People merely said it would help. No one thinks that all Detroit's economy needs to flourish is 4 sports teams and some casinos, so idk why you're saying that.

I am only one example, but if the Pistons moved to Detroit, I would absolutely not, under any circumstances go to a game there. I have my reasons(they should be obvious)but I feel many also would not go to downtown Detroit to see a Pistons game.

You are only one example, and I'm sure that all the people at the Tigers, Red Wings and Lions games would disagree with you. I've been to Detroit several times recently and there's great parts of it. This idea that the entire thing is an awful, ugly, dangerous mess is a misconception that has been perpetuated by people who've never been there, or haven't been to the right parts of it.

So the obvious counter argument is that many who cant go see a game, would now go because they are closer to them, right? Detroit is a poor city, with a massive unemployment rate. Those closest, would be the ones most unable to afford to go see them. If you leave Auburn hills, you leave the money.

The unemployment rate is so high because people aren't frequenting the place except for things like sports events. There just aren't that many people there to spend money. When you create a situation where people with money can come in and spend it helps with jobs. After sports games in Detroit people will usually go get food, go to a bar, etc. Do you think that if we took all the sports teams away that wouldn't hurt those places that people frequent after games? Obviously they would be hurt, and if they can be hurt by less people coming in the obviously they can be further helped by more people coming in. More money/people coming in means they'll (most likely) need to hire more people to help with the demand. This is how you help get a bad economy going again. You create jobs for the people which allows them to spend more money than before which helps out whatever places they visit.

As for the "Leaving Auburn Hills = no money" part: I suppose that's why the Red Wings, Tigers and Lions all have almost no fan support and are on the verge of bankruptcy, right? Oh, wait a minute...

Detroit has a very long road ahead of itself, and until the crime rate comes down to non third-world levels, is out of bankruptcy, the city council is gutted, the police force has response times lower then 2HOURS, a dispatch system that works, actual ambulances that work, and WILL SHOW UP, why in the **** would I go to a city that has the highest crime rate, the slowest police response times, emergency vehicles that will NOT show up, to watch a Pistons game? What if something happens? I just bleed out in the street while walking to my car?

I'm not sure if you've ever been to a sports game in downtown Detroit (my guess would be a resounding no) but you need to chill. Your perpetuating the fears and perceptions portrayed onto Detroit by the people that have never been there and just heard all the crap about it. How many people do you hear about getting shot after sporting games? I don't know if I've EVER heard about someone getting attacked after a sports game.

The Pistons are the keystone, the lynchpin, the team of destiny holding the city back from its great rebirth.

Once again: WHO EVER SAID THAT SIMPLY MOVING THE PISTONS TO DETROIT WOULD COMPLETELY FIX THE CITY?! I don't think you understand how economies work because you keep talking about how we have no population or jobs but then act as though more money coming through won't help. You know why we have no jobs? Because no one is there to spend money. From a macroeconomic standpoint, an economy needs a large percentage of people spending money, and spending money frequently for it to be successful. When there's no one there to spend money, jobs dry up, people lose their jobs and have less money so they spend less, causing more jobs to get lost and the cycle perpetuates itself until the economy is dead.

If you bring in more people, who spend money and (if enough people come in and spend) create a demand situation then the workplaces need more things that they're selling or people to work for them. Then those companies can hire more people, helps create more jobs so people can actually get a job living in Detroit.

Apparently people here don't read past "help Detroit" so I'm going to put this part in bold. I am in no way saying moving the Pistons to Detroit will fix the city. No one believes that. But to complain about the population and economy while saying that doing something to increase the number of people who go through there will do nothing to help is just ridiculous.

[Q00]

Oh because you say so?

No because players as well as championships absolutely factor into the value of franchises, just like any asset of any company. So its naive to suggest those things wouldn't be involved in their discussions of whether to sell the team now or later. If Drummond projects to develop into a superstar and win championships, then that would drastically increase the value of their company, and they will weigh every possible factor when deciding when/if to sell.

No, what I just bolded is naïve. An equity company isn't going sell/keep the team based on a homer type idea that superstars and championships are on the horizon.

Ok, we'll see if you are right. Your logic makes no business sense though. Any company that is developing a product that could potentially lead to huge increases in value in the near future, does not just sell right on the verge of the breakout without even considering the risks of doing so. Drummond becoming one of the next best players in the league is a very legit possibility, and a concept shared not just by Detroit fans, but basketball analysts all over the country. Its not pipe dreams or homer thinking. If you don't agree, that's your opinion, but Gores would have to be stupid to not even entertain the idea like you are suggesting, which he is not.

[Blkbrd671]

Prejudice and stereotyping are necessary in a civilized society and if you're talking about stuff like the Wal-Mart thing a few years back those people had great points and I wouldn't want trash coming to my city in the middle of the night either.

This board is seriously on the downfall.

honestly not really worried, our board has its way of dropping posters that are trollish

[MrBigShot]

Prejudice and stereotyping are necessary in a civilized society and if you're talking about stuff like the Wal-Mart thing a few years back those people had great points and I wouldn't want trash coming to my city in the middle of the night either.

This board is seriously on the downfall.

On the contrary, I believe that this board is the best it's been in nearly 5 years. More high-quality threads, thought-provoking discussions and more posts and posters in general. A couple of people trolling doesn't change that.

For the record, I believe sc8581 is not trolling. He has a good point. We prejudge and stereotype all the time. It's one thing to write off a coworker as a criminal or a "thug" based off of their race, but it's another to turn around and walk another way at night when you see a person/group of people that you feel could potentially lead to a dangerous situation. I could CARE LESS about a person's race, religion, cultural background ect...if they treat me with respect, I will gladly return the favor. And at the same time, I feel justified when I avoid a people or areas based on what I perceive as potentially dangerous. For this reason I cannot fault zeebneeb's hesitance to attend Detroit games. His points are valid, and for those same reasons I NEVER go to a gas station if I'm in the D.

I also agree with Q00 as far as the ownership potentially selling if Dre becomes a superstar. I would hope not, but until proven otherwise they are just a company making an investment...

[imagump1313]

This thread has spiraled completely out of control........

I never liked Gores for the simple reason that he knows nothing about basketball or the NBA. I hope he sells and that he does quickly. The last thing the franchise needs is 2 more years of limbo.....

As far as moving to Detroit, whoever would buy the team would be an idiot to move them out of an already paid for stadium where they do not have to share revenue with anyone else. (Unless it's Illitch)

[+1AllDay]

Prejudice and stereotyping are necessary in a civilized society and if you're talking about stuff like the Wal-Mart thing a few years back those people had great points and I wouldn't want trash coming to my city in the middle of the night either.

This board is seriously on the downfall.

On the contrary, I believe that this board is the best it's been in nearly 5 years. More high-quality threads, thought-provoking discussions and more posts and posters in general. A couple of people trolling doesn't change that.

For the record, I believe sc8581 is not trolling. He has a good point. We prejudge and stereotype all the time. It's one thing to write off a coworker as a criminal or a "thug" based off of their race, but it's another to turn around and walk another way at night when you see a person/group of people that you feel could potentially lead to a dangerous situation. I could CARE LESS about a person's race, religion, cultural background ect...if they treat me with respect, I will gladly return the favor. And at the same time, I feel justified when I avoid a people or areas based on what I perceive as potentially dangerous. For this reason I cannot fault zeebneeb's hesitance to attend Detroit games. His points are valid, and for those same reasons I NEVER go to a gas station if I'm in the D.

I also agree with Q00 as far as the ownership potentially selling if Dre becomes a superstar. I would hope not, but until proven otherwise they are just a company making an investment...

I highly disagree. For the last year and a half I read throughout this board before I registered. A couple of posters I always particularly thought were top notch in basketball knowledge were you, pharoah, princeofpalace, jodi, blkbrd, vege, detroitpistons, and clartiy. I give respect when it's due. I think this board peaked this summer, but I have no doubt it can pick back up in regards to basketball knowledge. I'm not saying I know it all, but those posters I named seem to always be on-point when it comes to the NBA. It just seems like this board has attracted a lot of trolls recently.

[Sheeeeed]

Ok, we'll see if you are right. Your logic makes no business sense though. Any company that is developing a product that could potentially lead to huge increases in value in the near future, does not just sell right on the verge of the breakout without even considering the risks of doing so. Drummond becoming one of the next best players in the league is a very legit possibility, and a concept shared not just by Detroit fans, but basketball analysts all over the country. Its not pipe dreams or homer thinking. If you don't agree, that's your opinion, but Gores would have to be stupid to not even entertain the idea like you are suggesting, which he is not.

A sports franchise isn't a normal business though. We saw how in a matter of a year how it all start to fall apart because someone got traded, another player got their feelings hurt, a couple bad signings and the team turned into a money pit. The smart thing would be to sell when someone comes along with an offer with a significant return like Ilitch.( if true )

The homerism is the certainty that the Pistons will be a contender 2-3 years and win some chips when they're far from it. Investers that aren't emotional involved, and probably don't watch a lick of basketball won't give a **** about the basketball side of things. In 2-3 years it could easily fall apart with an arrest, feuding, or a nasty injury. Sports franchises are different because success can be dependent on so few people, especially in the NBA. Gores and PE paid only $325 million for the Pistons and Palace which was considered a bargain. It would stupid not to consider anyone offering $400 + million.

[Minas]

Nobody said that moving the Pistons downtown would fix Detroit. However. it would be BENEFICIAL, anybody who disputes this doesn't understand basic economics. It seems that anyone against this is basing it on subjective factors like where THEY live, but it's impossible to argue with the economic benefits of the move.

And-1 to all the posts explaining this!

[sc8581]

Prejudice and stereotyping are necessary in a civilized society and if you're talking about stuff like the Wal-Mart thing a few years back those people had great points and I wouldn't want trash coming to my city in the middle of the night either.

This board is seriously on the downfall.

On the contrary, I believe that this board is the best it's been in nearly 5 years. More high-quality threads, thought-provoking discussions and more posts and posters in general. A couple of people trolling doesn't change that.

For the record, I believe sc8581 is not trolling. He has a good point. We prejudge and stereotype all the time. It's one thing to write off a coworker as a criminal or a "thug" based off of their race, but it's another to turn around and walk another way at night when you see a person/group of people that you feel could potentially lead to a dangerous situation. I could CARE LESS about a person's race, religion, cultural background ect...if they treat me with respect, I will gladly return the favor. And at the same time, I feel justified when I avoid a people or areas based on what I perceive as potentially dangerous. For this reason I cannot fault zeebneeb's hesitance to attend Detroit games. His points are valid, and for those same reasons I NEVER go to a gas station if I'm in the D.

I also agree with Q00 as far as the ownership potentially selling if Dre becomes a superstar. I would hope not, but until proven otherwise they are just a company making an investment...

I may have went a bit overboard because he ticked me off but I'm glad one person on here isn't closed-minded about how real life works.

[DetroitSho]

This board is seriously on the downfall.

On the contrary, I believe that this board is the best it's been in nearly 5 years. More high-quality threads, thought-provoking discussions and more posts and posters in general. A couple of people trolling doesn't change that.

For the record, I believe sc8581 is not trolling. He has a good point. We prejudge and stereotype all the time. It's one thing to write off a coworker as a criminal or a "thug" based off of their race, but it's another to turn around and walk another way at night when you see a person/group of people that you feel could potentially lead to a dangerous situation. I could CARE LESS about a person's race, religion, cultural background ect...if they treat me with respect, I will gladly return the favor. And at the same time, I feel justified when I avoid a people or areas based on what I perceive as potentially dangerous. For this reason I cannot fault zeebneeb's hesitance to attend Detroit games. His points are valid, and for those same reasons I NEVER go to a gas station if I'm in the D.

I also agree with Q00 as far as the ownership potentially selling if Dre becomes a superstar. I would hope not, but until proven otherwise they are just a company making an investment...

I may have went a bit overboard because he ticked me off but I'm glad one person on here isn't closed-minded about how real life works.

Just out of curiosity somebody help me out, did anybody get killed last night walking from the Lions game?

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[sc8581]

On the contrary, I believe that this board is the best it's been in nearly 5 years. More high-quality threads, thought-provoking discussions and more posts and posters in general. A couple of people trolling doesn't change that.

For the record, I believe sc8581 is not trolling. He has a good point. We prejudge and stereotype all the time. It's one thing to write off a coworker as a criminal or a "thug" based off of their race, but it's another to turn around and walk another way at night when you see a person/group of people that you feel could potentially lead to a dangerous situation. I could CARE LESS about a person's race, religion, cultural background ect...if they treat me with respect, I will gladly return the favor. And at the same time, I feel justified when I avoid a people or areas based on what I perceive as potentially dangerous. For this reason I cannot fault zeebneeb's hesitance to attend Detroit games. His points are valid, and for those same reasons I NEVER go to a gas station if I'm in the D.

I also agree with Q00 as far as the ownership potentially selling if Dre becomes a superstar. I would hope not, but until proven otherwise they are just a company making an investment...

I may have went a bit overboard because he ticked me off but I'm glad one person on here isn't closed-minded about how real life works.

Just out of curiosity somebody help me out, did anybody get killed last night walking from the Lions game?

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Why are you quoting my post for your ignorant comment, I didn't even bring it up?

[DetroitSho]

I may have went a bit overboard because he ticked me off but I'm glad one person on here isn't closed-minded about how real life works.

Just out of curiosity somebody help me out, did anybody get killed last night walking from the Lions game?

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Why are you quoting my post for your ignorant comment, I didn't even bring it up?

Well as you can see I'm responding from my phone and to do so I HAVE to click on a post. Yours was last, soooooooo....

Not sure what was ignorant about my post. You seem pretty sensitive there.

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[sc8581]

Just out of curiosity somebody help me out, did anybody get killed last night walking from the Lions game?

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Why are you quoting my post for your ignorant comment, I didn't even bring it up?

Well as you can see I'm responding from my phone and to do so I HAVE to click on a post. Yours was last, soooooooo....

Not sure what was ignorant about my post. You seem pretty sensitive there.

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For starters it was one game, it also takes 24 hours until somebody can be reported missing so there's a decent chance somebody is in a dumpster still that was at the Lions game. You know what might make Detroit less dangerous, if more people could carry guns, anybody ever get robbed leaving a Texans game? lol

[Q00]

Why are you quoting my post for your ignorant comment, I didn't even bring it up?

Well as you can see I'm responding from my phone and to do so I HAVE to click on a post. Yours was last, soooooooo....

Not sure what was ignorant about my post. You seem pretty sensitive there.

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For starters it was one game, it also takes 24 hours until somebody can be reported missing so there's a decent chance somebody is in a dumpster still that was at the Lions game. You know what might make Detroit less dangerous, if more people could carry guns, anybody ever get robbed leaving a Texans game? lol

lol Do you really think someone that went to the Lions game last night is currently in a dumpster? There's crimes before, during, and after games all over the country, not just Detroit. In fact I don't think I've ever heard the things you are claiming, where a fan goes to a game in Detroit and never makes it home. I read about stuff like that a lot in other cities though.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... hfAsBsQ0uE

San Francisco 49ers fan Chris Middleton was shot outside a Georgia restaurant by a New Orleans Saints fan who was upset by Middleton's cheering, according to WSB-TV in Atlanta.

This incident is reminiscent of what happened to San Francisco Giants fan Bryan Stow last March, when he suffered brain damage in a beating in Los Angeles.

And after the Winter Classic in Philadelphia this month, an Iraq War veteran who was wearing a New York Rangers jersey was pummeled by a Flyers fan. An arrest has been made in that case.

[sc8581]

Well as you can see I'm responding from my phone and to do so I HAVE to click on a post. Yours was last, soooooooo....

Not sure what was ignorant about my post. You seem pretty sensitive there.

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For starters it was one game, it also takes 24 hours until somebody can be reported missing so there's a decent chance somebody is in a dumpster still that was at the Lions game. You know what might make Detroit less dangerous, if more people could carry guns, anybody ever get robbed leaving a Texans game? lol

lol Do you really think someone that went to the Lions game last night is currently in a dumpster? There's crimes before, during, and after games all over the country, not just Detroit. In fact I don't think I've ever heard the things you are claiming, where a fan goes to a game in Detroit and never makes it home. I read about stuff like that a lot in other cities though.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... hfAsBsQ0uE

San Francisco 49ers fan Chris Middleton was shot outside a Georgia restaurant by a New Orleans Saints fan who was upset by Middleton's cheering, according to WSB-TV in Atlanta.

This incident is reminiscent of what happened to San Francisco Giants fan Bryan Stow last March, when he suffered brain damage in a beating in Los Angeles.

And after the Winter Classic in Philadelphia this month, an Iraq War veteran who was wearing a New York Rangers jersey was pummeled by a Flyers fan. An arrest has been made in that case.

That's drunk immature fans not people that live or inhabit the area like people are talking about here.

[DetroitSho]

Why are you quoting my post for your ignorant comment, I didn't even bring it up?

Well as you can see I'm responding from my phone and to do so I HAVE to click on a post. Yours was last, soooooooo....

Not sure what was ignorant about my post. You seem pretty sensitive there.

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For starters it was one game, it also takes 24 hours until somebody can be reported missing so there's a decent chance somebody is in a dumpster still that was at the Lions game. You know what might make Detroit less dangerous, if more people could carry guns, anybody ever get robbed leaving a Texans game? lol

Speaking of dangerous, I honestly believe you are more dangerous than anybody in Detroit. Walking the Earth with the particular logic you have is very scary for me. Since we're still within 24 hours of last night, how about you take the history of Ford Field and Comerica and tell me how many people have been shot and/or killed after leaving a game.

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[detroitKG]

What a bunch of fear mongers in here...yikes! As long as you stay in the heart of downtown around the bars and stadiums your fine... I love people acting like Detroit is the only major city with crime...There's plenty of security and police roaming around down there. I would easily double or triple the amount of games I attend during the season if they moved downtown. Stuff to do before and after and is much more centralized for the surrounding areas.

[sc8581]

Well as you can see I'm responding from my phone and to do so I HAVE to click on a post. Yours was last, soooooooo....

Not sure what was ignorant about my post. You seem pretty sensitive there.

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For starters it was one game, it also takes 24 hours until somebody can be reported missing so there's a decent chance somebody is in a dumpster still that was at the Lions game. You know what might make Detroit less dangerous, if more people could carry guns, anybody ever get robbed leaving a Texans game? lol

Speaking of dangerous, I honestly believe you are more dangerous than anybody in Detroit. Walking the Earth with the particular logic you have is very scary for me. Since we're still within 24 hours of last night, how about you take the history of Ford Field and Comerica and tell me how many people have been shot and/or killed after leaving a game.

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Wow, getting a little defensive over what should have been an obvious joke. I don't know if anybody has been killed leaving those places but I know for a fact that a lot have been robbed and/or cars get vandalized.

[sc8581]

What a bunch of fear mongers in here...yikes! As long as you stay in the heart of downtown around the bars and stadiums your fine... I love people acting like Detroit is the only major city with crime...There's plenty of security and police roaming around down there. I would easily double or triple the amount of games I attend during the season if they moved downtown. Stuff to do before and after and is much more centralized for the surrounding areas.

I wasn't even originally talking about the crime to be honest, just the people that live there and work for the city making Detroit such a dump. I don't care to hang out downtown after games so that has no effect on me, but I would certainly go to games once in a while if the Pistons moved downtown, as of now I haven't been to a game in 6 years I believe.

[ajaX82]

This thread has spiraled completely out of control........

Yes, yes it has. Until something more opens up on the Gores front, we are going to leave off here