Mirza Teletovic

[kamaze]

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - Roy Rogers had to do his best Mills Lane impression, stepping between two guys ready to throw a few swings.
Things had gotten a bit too physical between Andray Blatche and Mirza Teletovic at the tail end of practice Sunday, forcing the Nets assistant coach to play the role of peacemaker until their flaring tempers cooled off and they no longer were trying to charge at each other.

Rod Boone ‏@rodboone 38m
Jason Kidd said he'll try to take a look at Mirza in a few different roles tonight vs. #Sixers.

[Chalk1]

18, 6 and 4 (5-8 3pt shooting).......not a bad night

[DarkXaero]

Awesome game today: 21 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists (7-13 FG, 5-9 3 pt) in ~ 29 minutes.

Played SF and PF in the game as the Nets SF rotation was pretty short today.

[kamaze]

Awesome game today: 21 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists (7-13 FG, 5-9 3 pt) in ~ 29 minutes.

Played SF and PF in the game as the Nets SF rotation was pretty short today.

A new coach found a better role for him in preseason before Avery Johnson/PJ Carlesimo did all year.

[DrazenForThree]

Most of us pray he gets Evans minutes this year, and with AK and KG there to play next to him, it's a possibility as his defense and rebounding is questionable.

Smart player, good passer and good scorer (more than just a shooter).

He claimed he wasn't prepared last season (major adjustment for him moving his family here and he bulked up which slowed him down) and says he's prepared better for this season.

We shall see.
He's probably the most polarizing player on the team as some have high hopes for him and others expect him to bust.

I honestly have no idea why he didn't play much last season.

I mean, without watching a host of games from the Nets last season, i would have to assume it was a mixture of Avery and PJ, but he just seemed like a logically fit to play off of Deron and Brook.

I'm not saying he should have been starting and playing 30+ minutes but i would have thought he deserved a little more than 9 minutes a game which he got last season.

He lacks in certain areas of the game, but when you have a knock down shooter from deep who is a big and seems like a logical fit with your 2 best players, he should get 15+ minutes a night.

it was a crime mirza didnt play last year. we already sucked on defense, made sense to at least have some scoring/shooting on the floor with mirza.

this year, yeah, it doesnt make much sense to play mirza alot since we have so much talent at the 4 and other guys roles are more important now that we have so much scoring and could use more D.

i hope we can trade him for something of value somewhere that he can get consistent playing time

[DrazenForThree]

You acquire a player like Teletovic to do one thing: score points for you. It might be coming off the bench and only playing 20-25 minutes per game, but if you've got him, you have to play to his strengths. If Teletovic is on a team that does that, he could easily average 15-20 ppg even in limited time. He's a more athletic Ryan Anderson...and Anderson is not a bad athlete. But if some team decides he first has to be an outstanding defensive player and pass the ball to less gifted scorers, he is being misused. End of story.

the problem isnt that he isnt an outstanding defender. its that he is a really poor liability on defense. i wouldnt even go so far as to say he is a poor defender so much as he is just lost on defense.

i think he needs to learn how defense is played in the nba, and how you need to rotate. i assume he probably was hidden and played aton of true zone defenses in europe. cause he looks lost on d here for sure.

if you can coach him up on that, i dont think physically he is awful on defense

[Trader_Joe]

Hows his defense? I'm really not a fan of bigs who play below average defense.

He's not really a big.
He's a stretch forward meant to come off the bench and provide offense.

He's strictly a stretch 4. He's incapable of playing SF and too small to play C.

Yes it was preseason and we were down bodies but I liked Kidd gave him a chance to play SF tonight next to KG and Lopez and he did fine. We have versatile enough defenders like AK and KG and rim protection from them and Brook to cover for him. At least st SF he has a line of defense that he wouldn't at PF.

And no you don't play him for 30 minutes and against the likes LBJ, Durant, Melo but there will be plenty of match ups that work.

[DrazenForThree]

He's not really a big.
He's a stretch forward meant to come off the bench and provide offense.

He's strictly a stretch 4. He's incapable of playing SF and too small to play C.

Yes it was preseason and we were down bodies but I liked Kidd gave him a chance to play SF tonight next to KG and Lopez and he did fine. We have versatile enough defenders like AK and KG and rim protection from them and Brook to cover for him. At least st SF he has a line of defense that he wouldn't at PF.

we gave up alot of easy point because of his defense on the wing. rotated poorly and was shot faked out of his shoes leading to a layup twice. we arent getting away with that for a long stretch of time.

what KG/Brook do is kind of irrelevant since they likely wont be on the floor with mirza much. i aree with dark, he is strictly a 4 unless we are really struggling to shoot it from 3 on a given night

[Trader_Joe]

He's strictly a stretch 4. He's incapable of playing SF and too small to play C.

Yes it was preseason and we were down bodies but I liked Kidd gave him a chance to play SF tonight next to KG and Lopez and he did fine. We have versatile enough defenders like AK and KG and rim protection from them and Brook to cover for him. At least st SF he has a line of defense that he wouldn't at PF.

we gave up alot of easy point because of his defense on the wing. rotated poorly and was shot faked out of his shoes leading to a layup twice. we arent getting away with that for a long stretch of time.

what KG/Brook do is kind of irrelevant since they likely wont be on the floor with mirza much. i aree with dark, he is strictly a 4 unless we are really struggling to shoot it from 3 on a given night

See my edit.

And like you said, it's more an IQ thing than a speed or ability thing. As we learn our defense and rotations there can be help at the rim.

[Livno]

Awesome game today: 21 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists (7-13 FG, 5-9 3 pt) in ~ 29 minutes.

Played SF and PF in the game as the Nets SF rotation was pretty short today.

6 assists, the alley-oop assist to Plumlee was given to C. Johnson,...

[DarkXaero]

Awesome game today: 21 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists (7-13 FG, 5-9 3 pt) in ~ 29 minutes.

Played SF and PF in the game as the Nets SF rotation was pretty short today.

6 assists, the alley-oop assist to Plumlee was given to C. Johnson,...

lmao, really?

[OldOldMan]

He never adjusted from being the man to being a limited minute role-player. He wasted a lot of possessions with bad shots last year. He has talent but it remains to be seen if he can adjust to an NBA role that fits within the team. That frontcourt is ridiculously crowded - I question whether he will get the minutes and if he can handle not getting them.

[madatyou]

front court should not be crowded at all. reggie evans should approximately get 0 minutes esp now with KG

[DrazenForThree]

front court should not be crowded at all. reggie evans should approximately get 0 minutes esp now with KG

evans should play 10-15 mpg. he adds a ton of value, especially for us as we are a poor defensive rebounding team. evans should never ever ever ever start and play 30 minutes, but he is great in a limited minutes off the bench role. and it isnt just rebounds, he frustrates people, he defends better then mirza, and he draws his share of fouls., hsi hustle can be contagious as well

[Johnlac1]

He's strictly a stretch 4. He's incapable of playing SF and too small to play C.

Yes it was preseason and we were down bodies but I liked Kidd gave him a chance to play SF tonight next to KG and Lopez and he did fine. We have versatile enough defenders like AK and KG and rim protection from them and Brook to cover for him. At least st SF he has a line of defense that he wouldn't at PF.

we gave up alot of easy point because of his defense on the wing. rotated poorly and was shot faked out of his shoes leading to a layup twice. we arent getting away with that for a long stretch of time.

what KG/Brook do is kind of irrelevant since they likely wont be on the floor with mirza much. i aree with dark, he is strictly a 4 unless we are really struggling to shoot it from 3 on a given night

I'm not arguing that Teletovic's off. isn't much stronger than his defense. I'm simply saying that if you have him, you have him for the pts. he'll get for your team and not the pts he'll stop the other team from getting. Like just about everything else in life, it's a tradeoff. If the Nets need strong defense and rebounding at whatever position he plays, then his time should be limited. But his offensive pot. is such that it should outweigh his weaker defense. The Nets will have to make that decision. And furthermore, he was for all intents and purposes a rookie last year. We don't decide that what a player does as a rookie is his ceiling. Teletovic's off. potential remains very high. It will be up to the Nets to decide whether what he does helps the team more than his lackluster defense hurts it. But my statement remains the same...if you get a player like Teletovic, you use him for what he does best...score points.

[Trader_Joe]

front court should not be crowded at all. reggie evans should approximately get 0 minutes esp now with KG

evans should play 10-15 mpg. he adds a ton of value, especially for us as we are a poor defensive rebounding team. evans should never ever ever ever start and play 30 minutes, but he is great in a limited minutes off the bench role. and it isnt just rebounds, he frustrates people, he defends better then mirza, and he draws his share of fouls., hsi hustle can be contagious as well

We were #12 in defensive rebounding last season and been crushing people on the boards this season.
Where do you get your stats?

[DrazenForThree]

front court should not be crowded at all. reggie evans should approximately get 0 minutes esp now with KG

evans should play 10-15 mpg. he adds a ton of value, especially for us as we are a poor defensive rebounding team. evans should never ever ever ever start and play 30 minutes, but he is great in a limited minutes off the bench role. and it isnt just rebounds, he frustrates people, he defends better then mirza, and he draws his share of fouls., hsi hustle can be contagious as well

We were #12 in defensive rebounding last season and been crushing people on the boards this season.
Where do you get your stats?

tied for 14Th in DRB% with the hawks(73.6%) and 21st in defensive rebounds

ok, so maybe average/below average is more like it as opposed to poor. League average was 73.5 and defensive totals dont adjust for pace. Also, one of the reasons we werent even lower, is because evans was far and away the best defensive rebounder in the league (38.0 ). even if you factor in stat padding, thats an insane number. 7.0 higher then asik, who was second and duncan who was third.

either way, we need the defensive rebounding more then the scoring. we have plenty of guys who can score(unlike last year, when it was clear mirza should have been starting).

[Trader_Joe]

evans should play 10-15 mpg. he adds a ton of value, especially for us as we are a poor defensive rebounding team. evans should never ever ever ever start and play 30 minutes, but he is great in a limited minutes off the bench role. and it isnt just rebounds, he frustrates people, he defends better then mirza, and he draws his share of fouls., hsi hustle can be contagious as well

We were #12 in defensive rebounding last season and been crushing people on the boards this season.
Where do you get your stats?

tied for 14Th in DRB% with the hawks(73.6%) and 21st in defensive rebounds

ok, so maybe average/below average is more like it as opposed to poor. League average was 73.5 and defensive totals dont adjust for pace. Also, one of the reasons we werent even lower, is because evans was far and away the best defensive rebounder in the league (38.0 ). even if you factor in stat padding, thats an insane number. 7.0 higher then asik, who was second and duncan who was third.

either way, we need the defensive rebounding more then the scoring. we have plenty of guys who can score(unlike last year, when it was clear mirza should have been starting).

Where do you get your stats?
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/de ... unding-pct

Rebounding % is what matters.
We were #12 (tied with 2 others)
We were slightly above average.

Did you know you were inaccurate when saying we were poor?

And I apologize Draz, this isn't personal, but I have an issue of any fan of any team or player that has a clear agenda they seem fixated on and unwilling to relent on, even when given evidence to the contrary.

We were not a poor defensive rebounding team, but you claim we were. I'm not sure if you did it knowingly or not, but the fact I can present a stat/fact like this and you counter with a number like overall rebounds which you know has to be put into context (pace) seems like pure agenda driven tactics.

[DrazenForThree]

We were #12 in defensive rebounding last season and been crushing people on the boards this season.
Where do you get your stats?

tied for 14Th in DRB% with the hawks(73.6%) and 21st in defensive rebounds

ok, so maybe average/below average is more like it as opposed to poor. League average was 73.5 and defensive totals dont adjust for pace. Also, one of the reasons we werent even lower, is because evans was far and away the best defensive rebounder in the league (38.0 ). even if you factor in stat padding, thats an insane number. 7.0 higher then asik, who was second and duncan who was third.

either way, we need the defensive rebounding more then the scoring. we have plenty of guys who can score(unlike last year, when it was clear mirza should have been starting).

Where do you get your stats?
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/de ... unding-pct

Rebounding % is what matters.
We were #12 (tied with 2 others)
We were slightly above average.

Did you know you were inaccurate when saying we were poor?

basketball-reference.com

and we are poor when reggie isnt on the court. that was my point from the start. we need reggies rebounding more then mirza's scoring.

[madatyou]

front court should not be crowded at all. reggie evans should approximately get 0 minutes esp now with KG

evans should play 10-15 mpg. he adds a ton of value, especially for us as we are a poor defensive rebounding team. evans should never ever ever ever start and play 30 minutes, but he is great in a limited minutes off the bench role. and it isnt just rebounds, he frustrates people, he defends better then mirza, and he draws his share of fouls., hsi hustle can be contagious as well

we call it basketball. not rebound ball. but seriously reggie evans doesn't contest any shots and goes for rebounds instead. he is out of position a lot of the time trying to just grab the rebound. it isn't bad because brook was a poor rebounder but with KG sharing 15+ minutes on court with brook together, there is no reason to play evans.