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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#301 » by El Duderino » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:20 pm

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The Cavs would've been unstoppable if they would've put him next to Irving.


The Cavs have had three other top 5 picks besides Irving, including a first overall pick and i'm not a fan of how they've used those picks. That was their chance after taking Irving to build a great young core.



Agreed. They've picked pretty horribly.

A core of Kyrie Irving/Victor Oladipo/Andre Drummond has a great 10 year run and contends for a championship.


I wouldn't go so far as say they made horrible picks because none of these guys i see being a bust.

I liked Waiters more than some and think he's going to be a quality SG for a long time, just wouldn't have taken him 4th overall. Thompson is a really good rebounder and high effort guy, but Valanciunas offered more upside. Even Bennett i liked quite a bit going into the draft, but not first overall and i really question if he can make it at SF as the Cavs seem to be trying.

So i think they ended up with three really solid players out of those three guys while some teams get busts from high picks, but if i was a Cavs fan i'd probably have wished for more upside out of two 4th overall picks and a 1st overall pick, while granting there was no sure fire obvious choice at number one in the latest draft.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#302 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:17 pm

Let's get Royce White. He was just released.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#303 » by paul » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:18 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Let's get Royce White. He was just released.


Looking for someone to destroy the locker room? A not-so-stealth tank?
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#304 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:20 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:Let's get Royce White. He was just released.


Looking for someone to destroy the locker room? A not-so-stealth tank?


If he's terrible in the locker room then release him. It may be why Philly did just that.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#305 » by EastSideBucksFan » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:23 pm

Royce White is worthless. I wouldn't want anything to do with that kid. A total distraction that isn't worth it.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#306 » by paul » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:31 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:Let's get Royce White. He was just released.


Looking for someone to destroy the locker room? A not-so-stealth tank?


If he's terrible in the locker room then release him. It may be why Philly did just that.


FO's talk, I'm sure they know if that's the case before taking him on. Aside from that he's looked pretty terrible in the limited playing time I've seen from him.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#307 » by VooDoo7 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:55 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:Royce White is worthless. I wouldn't want anything to do with that kid. A total distraction that isn't worth it.

Agree. The cons outweigh the pros, by far.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#308 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:17 am

If we had a roster spot I'd sign him and tell him to just go live in Fort Wayne for a while.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#309 » by EastSideBucksFan » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:38 am

I don't want to seem insensitive to his mental issues, it's just his attitude towards it all. Trying to make the Rockets look bad and running his mouth to the media. If you can't fly on planes, you can't be in the NBA. He should go play somewhere in Europe and he could travel by trains and buses to all his games.

But really, he should probably focus on himself and not pursue an NBA career. Doesn't seem fit for it currently.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#310 » by emunney » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:40 am

My problem with Royce White is he doesn't like basketball.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#311 » by Ayt » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:05 am

HurricaneKid wrote:Last year, the Jazz played through Jefferson who is a notorious black hole. This year they will be playing through GH. He is going to avg a really nice line. Giving all the numbers about how high a % of his shots were assisted means very little as he will not be playing that way moving forward.

I really don't see why Utah (and everyone else) are locking their guys down prematurely. Favors hasn't had sufficient court time to wear off his rough edges, GH hasn't shown he can handle the burden of being a high usage player day in and day out (he has had some really inconsistent stretches over the years; its not easy being the guy). But there was no reason to give Wall a 5/90 deal before this season. I think Milw got a discount for backing up the truck for Sanders a year before they needed to but there is no discount in paying guys the max. And any one of these guys could prove unworthy this year. Wall has never had more than 4.5WS. GH and Favors haven't proven they can be the cornerstones of a franchise. And they can match anything. I just don't see the benefit in prematurely giving players more than they are worth.


I can understand Washington wanting to avoid an Eric Gordon type situation where a guy visits some other places and has various max offers and decides he really wants out. Yes, they can still match, but building around a disgruntled star isn't generally a good idea.

I also think it is obvious that Wall would have gotten multiple max offers. Since I think he was an obvious max contract guy as a FA, I can understand why they decided to take care of him when they had the chance this past summer before he got big eyes from being wined and dined by extremely high profile teams like the Lakers.

Wall had a gigantic impact last year after he came back from his injury. The Wizards had the worst record in the league at 5-28 before Wall returned from injury. They were on pace for 12 wins at that point. 33 games is not a tiny sample. They were historically awful. The fewest amount of wins in an NBA season is 15. After Wall returned, they went 24-25.

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ReasonablySober wrote:Let's get Royce White. He was just released.


Looking for someone to destroy the locker room? A not-so-stealth tank?


If he's terrible in the locker room then release him. It may be why Philly did just that.


Philly released him because they didn't really want him all that much in the first place. Houston sent cash to pay his contract for this year. Houston cleared up the cap room they needed, and Philly got a prospect they liked in Aldemir for the 1.7M in cap room to cover White's contract. White was basically a free roll for them. Ultimately, they got a prospect they liked in Aldemir for 1.7M in cap room. That is a good deal in my book.

The news on NBA.com about the trade from the 76ers highlighted Aldemir. The headline is, "Sixers Acquire Rights to 21-year-old Center/Forward Furkan Aldemir of Turkey"

http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/130713-a ... hite-trade

Also, seven weeks after the trade when Hinkie was talking about the offseason with media:

As for the embattled White, Hinkie answered a question about White’s possible role on the team generically and never mentioned White by name.

An NBA source said the Rockets, who dealt him to the Sixers on July 6 along with a second-round pick and Turkish power forward Furkan Aldemir for future considerations and cash, are picking up the $1.7 million salary of White, who has an anxiety disorder and is afraid to fly. That means the Sixers have nothing invested in White — and that the 21-year-old Aldemir was the primary target in the deal, which the source confirmed.


http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... ladelphia/

White is a POS who needs to remove his head from his ass, so I'm not at all surprised that he was released. I hope he figures things out so he can pay his child support. He's an embarrassing clown at this point. He has done an enormous disservice to all the people who deal with various mental illnesses everyday.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#312 » by SkilesTheLimit » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:47 am

If this is LeBron James you put him on trains, limos, buses, lightrail, etc. to get him to and from games if need be.

Royce White? That's like making special arrangements for David Noel. A never-was in the NBA.

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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#313 » by paul » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:49 am

White's flight phobia is a problem, but it's not remotely close to his only problem.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#314 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:56 am

Don't care. He's talented and cheap. If he doesn't get things figured out the Bucks release him and they're out nothing.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#315 » by TroyD92 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:56 am

I remember Royce White thought he was going to be Diddy for a long time. Making terrible music.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#316 » by LUKE23 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:00 am

Drummond is going to have a monster season.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#317 » by Ayt » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:01 am

I know some people have sympathy for White because of his anxiety. I see an extremely selfish person that has tried to milk the system.

If you want a real idea of what it is like to deal with mental illness, read this:

An Unquiet Mind: A Memoir of Moods and Madness

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Or, if you want to dig deep and get a glimpse of what things are really like for the mentally ill when the monster inhabiting the mind seems overwhelming, and any type of out, even self-termination, is seen as a good out, read the following book. There is nothing worse than being at a point in your internal dialogue when going to sleep and never waking up is seen as a much better logical option than facing the next day. The need for an escape feels overwhelming. The urge to escape the mental torment is on par with extreme hunger. It needs to end. It has to end, no matter the cost.

Most healthy people can't even imagine a point when any of the above makes logical sense, but that point is real, and it is reached thousands of times every year.

I really can't recommend this book enough if you want a humane glimpse into the disturbed mind. Even if you don't suffer from any type of mental illness, this book may help you recognize dangerous warning signs in the people around you.

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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#318 » by paul » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:05 am

ReasonablySober wrote:Don't care. He's talented and cheap. If he doesn't get things figured out the Bucks release him and they're out nothing.


Yeah you and I have always differed on this point. I don't want guys like him anywhere near the kids on this team.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#319 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:05 am

LUKE23 wrote:Drummond is going to have a monster season.

There's going to be a lot of players from that draft that explode this season.
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Re: ATL: Preseason edition (Is Hayward worth $50mm pg15) 

Post#320 » by Ayt » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:06 am

paul wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Don't care. He's talented and cheap. If he doesn't get things figured out the Bucks release him and they're out nothing.


Yeah you and I have always differed on this point. I don't want guys like him anywhere near the kids on this team.


**** Royce White.

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