#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

MPM · Post #421 » by **MPM** » Fri Nov 1, 2013 9:14 pm

BrotherDave wrote:Jimmer has sucked ass since day one.

Yes.

Elden Payton · Post #422 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 1:49 am

11/10/2 from Biz on 5-6/1-2ft

He's on the comeup.

vorbis · Post #423 » by **vorbis** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 1:53 am

Sik Infant wrote:11/10/2 from Biz on 5-6/1-2ft

He's on the comeup.

might be fun to do a count of how often biyombo starts (due to jefferson's ankle, vet days off, etc) versus how often he gets double digit rebounds. i'd hope he'd get double digit rebounds in at least 80% of his starts. it seems like the days of him playing 30 minutes and finishing with 3 boards are behind us.

Elden Payton · Post #424 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 1:57 am

vorbis wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:11/10/2 from Biz on 5-6/1-2ft

He's on the comeup.

might be fun to do a count of how often biyombo starts (due to jefferson's ankle, vet days off, etc) versus how often he gets double digit rebounds. i'd hope he'd get double digit rebounds in at least 80% of his starts. it seems like the days of him playing 30 minutes and finishing with 3 boards are behind us.

I agree, it's a shame that Biyombo has broken out after we made the biggest free agency move in our existence for a guy that plays the same position :cry:

vorbis · Post #425 » by **vorbis** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 2:00 am

Sik Infant wrote:I agree, it's a shame that Biyombo has broken out after we made the biggest free agency move in our existence for a guy that plays the same position

yeah, but at the same time, maybe not having a starting position by default was the best thing that could have happened to him at this juncture.

Liver_Pooty · Post #426 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 2:06 am

vorbis wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:I agree, it's a shame that Biyombo has broken out after we made the biggest free agency move in our existence for a guy that plays the same position

yeah, but at the same time, maybe not having a starting position by default was the best thing that could have happened to him at this juncture.

Biyombo will only get better playing behind Jefferson, let alone playing against someone of Jeffersons offensive skill set everyday in practice.

Elden Payton · Post #427 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 2:08 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
vorbis wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:I agree, it's a shame that Biyombo has broken out after we made the biggest free agency move in our existence for a guy that plays the same position

yeah, but at the same time, maybe not having a starting position by default was the best thing that could have happened to him at this juncture.

Biyombo will only get better playing behind Jefferson, let alone playing against someone of Jeffersons offensive skill set everyday in practice.

I agree with both of you but it's a shame as I would have loved to see Biyombo average 30mpg.

Liver_Pooty · Post #428 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 2:10 am

Sik Infant wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
vorbis wrote:
yeah, but at the same time, maybe not having a starting position by default was the best thing that could have happened to him at this juncture.

Biyombo will only get better playing behind Jefferson, let alone playing against someone of Jeffersons offensive skill set everyday in practice.

I agree with both of you but it's a shame as I would have loved to see Biyombo average 30mpg.

True, but sitting on the bench and actually learning every facet of the game instead of constantly being thrown in there will be good for him in the long run. He is actually beginning to look like an NBA player instead of a strong muscular athlete jumping up and down for 38 minutes a night.

Elden Payton · Post #429 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 2:13 am

I agree completely but the fact is that Biz was much improved in the preseason whilst playing!!

Biyombo seems to have great intelligence and work ethic, I've always been convinced he will make it and Jefferson will help with that though I think we trade Jefferson at the deadline or in the offseason.

lmcguir5 · Post #430 » by **lmcguir5** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 2:59 pm

After last night's performance, it would be hard for Clifford to quench all of Biz's minutes once Big Al comes back. imagine a lineup with Biz at the 5 and Jefferson at the 4

KembaWalker · Post #431 » by **KembaWalker** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 3:06 pm

Bismack looks like a different guy this year. Crazy since he didn't look that much better just a few months ago in summer league. I wonder what changed. If he keeps developing at this pace with Ewing and Jefferson he should be ready to be the guy we need there when Als contract is up. Pretty exciting to watch him

mrknowitall215 · Post #432 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 3:10 pm

lmcguir5 wrote:After last night's performance, it would be hard for Clifford to quench all of Biz's minutes once Big Al comes back. imagine a lineup with Biz at the 5 and Jefferson at the 4

It would be hard to remove McRoberts from the starting lineup as important as he's been to the Bobcats halfcourt offense as a facilitator and outside shooter, but I've been kind of alluding to them possibly trying to see how well Biyombo & Jefferson could play alongside each other. The fact that Biyombo could cover some of Jefferson's defensive deficiencies as a rim protector makes it the most intriguing to me, especially now that the team is adopting a defensive identity. A Jefferson & McRoberts frontcourt doesn't exactly scream "defense"

lmcguir5 · Post #433 » by **lmcguir5** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 3:44 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
lmcguir5 wrote:After last night's performance, it would be hard for Clifford to quench all of Biz's minutes once Big Al comes back. imagine a lineup with Biz at the 5 and Jefferson at the 4

It would be hard to remove McRoberts from the starting lineup as important as he's been to the Bobcats halfcourt offense as a facilitator and outside shooter, but I've been kind of alluding to them possibly trying to see how well Biyombo & Jefferson could play alongside each other. The fact that Biyombo could cover some of Jefferson's defensive deficiencies as a rim protector makes it the most intriguing to me, especially now that the team is adopting a defensive identity. A Jefferson & McRoberts frontcourt doesn't exactly scream "defense"

Granted I want Biz to develop offensively, it wouldn't be bad to let them play next to each other and just let them worry about their niche. Big Al can work the post and grab boards without having to stress over playing shutdown d and Biz can grab boards and block shots and not stress over putting up double digits. Its not a bad symbiotic relationship if you ask me

doc.end · Post #434 » by **doc.end** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 4:29 pm

He is ok in current system when he gets occasional free buckets by being free under the basket, he is even capable scoring in double digits like that.

Red Larrivee · Post #435 » by **Red Larrivee** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 7:56 pm

lmcguir5 wrote:After last night's performance, it would be hard for Clifford to quench all of Biz's minutes once Big Al comes back. imagine a lineup with Biz at the 5 and Jefferson at the 4

Biz has been playing better, but McRoberts is a better fit next to Al. There will be more space for him to operate, plus McRoberts can hit a jumper.

I feel like Biz will be awesome off the bench as a defensive-energy player. He doesn't need to start to have an impact.

Post #436 » by **fatlever** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 7:59 pm

we are using the pf in the high post to initiate a lot of the offense. if biz and jefferson are on the floor together:
1) biz has to play in high post.......... bad idea
2) al has to play in high post.......... removes him from his best spot on floor
3) run a different offense............ most likely outcome

lmcguir5 · Post #437 » by **lmcguir5** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 8:39 pm

fatlever wrote:we are using the pf in the high post to initiate a lot of the offense. if biz and jefferson are on the floor together:
1) biz has to play in high post.......... bad idea
2) al has to play in high post.......... removes him from his best spot on floor
3) run a different offense............ most likely outcome

I suppose I COULD live with McRoberts staying in the same unit as Jefferson. He is a pretty solid facilitator, seeing as he had 8 assists last night, he just doesn't excite me very much. Without Jefferson in the game and the offense we run where the 4 plays at the top of the key, we have no inside offensive presence. It's just a bunch of high screens until someone drives to draw a foul. The Cavs were murdering us last night by dumping it into the key and letting the big go to work.

The76thDegree · Post #438 » by **The76thDegree** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 4:47 pm

Hey guys! I normally stick to the Sixers board but I have a question. I checked previous topics but I couldn't find what I was looking for since I don't want to clutter your board. Anyway my question is about Biyombo. How good is he? What's some positives and negatives? Does he still have untapped potential or is he a bust? Thanks in advance!

Liver_Pooty · Post #439 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 4:53 pm

Extremely athletic shot blocker. OK rebounder. Offense still leaves a lot to be desired. He didn't start playing basketball until later on in life so he still needs another 2-3 years of seasoning before we can honestly see what he can be.

And no I don't think hes a bust, yet.

catch20two · Post #440 » by **catch20two** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 5:27 pm

Biz is certainly not a bust, at least not yet. He's arguably our best defender because he is our one and only true rim protector and it makes a world of difference for us as a team that's adopting a defensive identity. He's an elite shot blocker that's becoming a great rebounder but his offense is currently below average. He's coming around slowly but surely.