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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#61 » by dockingsched » Thu Nov 7, 2013 5:20 am

AI wrote:Err, not necessarily. MDA butt heads with those specific two out of stubbornness. He chose not to adapt for Melo and Dwight's most comfortable playing styles


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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#62 » by AI » Thu Nov 7, 2013 5:23 am

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AI wrote:Err, not necessarily. MDA butt heads with those specific two out of stubbornness. He chose not to adapt for Melo and Dwight's most comfortable playing styles


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Very insightful post. Those emoticons should be used to laugh at your counter argument, or lack thereof.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#63 » by dockingsched » Thu Nov 7, 2013 5:38 am

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AI wrote:Err, not necessarily. MDA butt heads with those specific two out of stubbornness. He chose not to adapt for Melo and Dwight's most comfortable playing styles


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Very insightful post. Those emoticons should be used to laugh at your counter argument, or lack thereof.


please enlighten me how MDA refused to adapt for dwight when:

1. dwight howard was the best pick and roll big man in the league but refused to run it

2. dwight howard wanted to post up even though kobe was way better and as a result dwight had the 2nd most post touches in the NBA.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#64 » by AI » Thu Nov 7, 2013 5:46 am

dockingsched wrote:
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dockingsched wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Very insightful post. Those emoticons should be used to laugh at your counter argument, or lack thereof.


please enlighten me how MDA refused to adapt for dwight when:

1. dwight howard was the best pick and roll big man in the league but refused to run it

2. dwight howard wanted to post up even though kobe was way better and as a result dwight had the 2nd most post touches in the NBA.


Why is this suddenly all about Dwight now? We are discussing both Carmelo and Dwight, right? Or should we solely discuss Dwight, since he is most convenient for your argument.

The bottom line is, Dwight did not want to play the PnR. He wanted to be showcased just like he was in Orlando. The only reason D'Antoni was even willing to adjust last year was because he was pretty much forced to due to "politics" and how bad the team was performing running his traditional system. Your argument would be valid had MDA adapted from the beginning immediately when he took over for Brown.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#65 » by dockingsched » Thu Nov 7, 2013 6:02 am

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The bottom line is, Dwight did not want to play the PnR. He wanted to be showcased just like he was in Orlando.


is this real life?
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#66 » by AI » Thu Nov 7, 2013 6:08 am

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The bottom line is, Dwight did not want to play the PnR. He wanted to be showcased just like he was in Orlando.


is this real life?


:lol:

Wow, you're on a roll! Another terrible response!

With that I wish you a great rest of the night. Don't have the patience to argue with people who chose to ignore the argument by being sarcastic and condescending instead.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#67 » by LApwnd » Thu Nov 7, 2013 4:30 pm

to bad we can't fire Jim instead.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#68 » by LApwnd » Thu Nov 7, 2013 4:34 pm

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Michael Lucky wrote:is there any way we can sell Jeannie to another ownership group?


Jeanie and Phil for Jerry West and Steph Curry... Do it Mitch!


throw in Jim Buss and cash considerations
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#69 » by Kilroy » Thu Nov 7, 2013 5:11 pm

AI wrote:
dockingsched wrote:
AI wrote:
The bottom line is, Dwight did not want to play the PnR. He wanted to be showcased just like he was in Orlando.


is this real life?


:lol:

Wow, you're on a roll! Another terrible response!

With that I wish you a great rest of the night. Don't have the patience to argue with people who chose to ignore the argument by being sarcastic and condescending instead.


The point Doc's trying to make (we've beaten it to death recently), Dwight was showcased in Orlando by almost exclusively running Pick and Rolls... Dwight has no post game... He's a face up PF that can't shoot. So he uses his quickness to get around his man and dunk. Now that he's lost a step and having numbness in his extremities, he's lost that ability. So now he can't get around a defender, shoot, or play back to the basket... He NEEEEEEEEEDS the Pick and Roll....

But Dwight refused to play it in LA... Refused.

And to be clear, when I say 'numbness in his extremities,' I mean his head too.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#70 » by Michael Lucky » Thu Nov 7, 2013 6:19 pm

AI wrote: :lol:

Wow, you're on a roll! Another terrible response!

With that I wish you a great rest of the night. Don't have the patience to argue with people who chose to ignore the argument by being sarcastic and condescending instead.

what? He was playing the PnR in Orlando, and it was one of the reasons why he hated Stan Van Gundy while being there. You can't them blame D'Antoni for not wanting to acquiesce to Dwight wanting more posts ups when he's absolutely horrendous at it while being the best PnR big in the league. The idiot here is Dwight as been shown over and over. It's a good thing MDA didn't follow with what Dwight wanted or we would have had an even worse year last year.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#71 » by AI » Thu Nov 7, 2013 7:16 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:
AI wrote: :lol:

Wow, you're on a roll! Another terrible response!

With that I wish you a great rest of the night. Don't have the patience to argue with people who chose to ignore the argument by being sarcastic and condescending instead.

what? He was playing the PnR in Orlando, and it was one of the reasons why he hated Stan Van Gundy while being there. You can't them blame D'Antoni for not wanting to acquiesce to Dwight wanting more posts ups when he's absolutely horrendous at it while being the best PnR big in the league. The idiot here is Dwight as been shown over and over. It's a good thing MDA didn't follow with what Dwight wanted or we would have had an even worse year last year.


I'm sorry, but can you back this up? From everything I hear from Dwight ever since he joined Houston, he's been bragging about how the Houston roster is set up similarly to the Orlando team he had great success with. Why would he ever hate a system that set him up with so much success?

Regardless, the original argument has strayed away with this whole Dwight crap. It is not a good thing when a coach constantly has beef with his star players. Mike D is as stubborn as it comes, and that's a horrible quality to have as a head coach of a professional basketball team. I bet those people who don't mind that MDA feuded with Dwight are probably relativists who think the Lakers are better off without Dwight too. :lol:

This whole Dwight stuff was a pure mess anyways. What about the situation with Carmelo Anthony? Carmelo gets traded to NY and MDA is too stubborn to adjust his system for Melo. Instead of adjusting, he just chooses to quit on the team instead. What happens thereafter? That Knicks team becomes more successful with Woodson running the show. A coach who isn't stubborn and hard-headed would adjust to the roster presented to him. When SVG came to Orlando, he adjusted his system for Dwight and eventually reached the finals with him. MDA is a one-trick pony and it truly is a sad thing that while we had the best center in the league, we set him up with this guy as the head coach.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#72 » by Michael Lucky » Thu Nov 7, 2013 7:26 pm

you do realize that McHale, VanGundy, and MDA all run a similar system right? You also realize that Dwight is an idiot? 1+1=2
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#73 » by AI » Thu Nov 7, 2013 7:29 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:you do realize that McHale, VanGundy, and MDA all run a similar system right? You also realize that Dwight is an idiot? 1+1=2


McHale and MDA, yes. They both like to run and gun, shoot plenty of three's, avoid post play. Mike D even brought up that point soon after Dwight bolted for Houston.

SVG's system was actually much more flexible. They played with more of an inside-out approach, didn't run nearly as much as the McHale and MDA system. Still lived and died by the trey, though.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#74 » by Michael Lucky » Thu Nov 7, 2013 7:31 pm

they still ran a PnR system surrounded by three point shooters. They simply didn't run it at an uptempo pace like McHale and MDA.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#75 » by AI » Thu Nov 7, 2013 7:33 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:they still ran a PnR system surrounded by three point shooters. They simply didn't run it at an uptempo pace like McHale and MDA.


I'm not denying that and never did. But I'm still waiting for you to support what you said about Dwight hating Stan Van Gundy because of his system.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#76 » by Kilroy » Thu Nov 7, 2013 7:56 pm

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Michael Lucky wrote:they still ran a PnR system surrounded by three point shooters. They simply didn't run it at an uptempo pace like McHale and MDA.


I'm not denying that and never did. But I'm still waiting for you to support what you said about Dwight hating Stan Van Gundy because of his system.


That's a strange nuance to focus on... It's clear he hated him enough to try to get him fired... If not for his system, then why? Before you answer that, consider what that answer says about Dwight...

He said he hated MDA's system... And playing with Kobe.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#77 » by AI » Thu Nov 7, 2013 8:01 pm

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Michael Lucky wrote:they still ran a PnR system surrounded by three point shooters. They simply didn't run it at an uptempo pace like McHale and MDA.


I'm not denying that and never did. But I'm still waiting for you to support what you said about Dwight hating Stan Van Gundy because of his system.


That's a strange nuance to focus on... It's clear he hated him enough to try to get him fired... If not for his system, then why? Before you answer that, consider what that answer says about Dwight...

He said he hated MDA's system... And playing with Kobe.


Only focusing on it because I've never heard that rationale used before. The SVG system highlighted Dwight and made him the focus of attention (which he sure does love, huh?). During his last years with Orlando I knew he had a falling out with SVG but I am pretty confident it was not due to the system he implemented; if it was because of the system, Dwight would have bit**ed about it much sooner.
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Re: Jeanie Buss favorites tweet about firing D'Antoni 

Post#78 » by Kilroy » Thu Nov 7, 2013 8:05 pm

AI wrote:Only focusing on it because I've never heard that rationale used before. The SVG system highlighted Dwight and made him the focus of attention (which he sure does love, huh?). During his last years with Orlando I knew he had a falling out with SVG but I am pretty confident it was not due to the system he implemented.


He was rumored to dislike just about everything in Orlando at one time or other...

It doesn't matter if he liked the system or not... He's an idiot.

Dwight is looking for a reason why he's not considered as great as Wilt Kareem and Shaq... But his search stops somewhere before his mirror.
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