Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[Slartibartfast]

I don't spend much time making up fake trades, but I gotta admit watching the Houston game last night I was thinking there's gotta be a way that Houston and Boston can help each other.

Asik obviously doesn't work on Houston. Houston wants to put shooters around Dwight. The role for Asik is ideally 10-15 minutes a night, if that. Playing them together is just a waste of resources.

I think Fav would be the perfect backup to Dwight. He can shoot a little, play defense, and most importantly he's cost controlled for the next 3 years and would slot perfectly into a 10-15 minutes a night role.

Here the trade I was kicking around:

Green + Bass + Fav for Asik + Lin + Beverly + Greg Smith

Asik is the perfect fit around KO and Sully. Smith replaces Bass's athleticism around the rim. Lin and Beverly complement Rondo and Bradley almost perfectly. It's a win/win for both sides. And we just happen to open up a spot at SF when several good SF prospects coming out in next year's draft.

Houston's not trading their PG rotation without getting guards back.

I think it would be far simpler to trade Green for Asik straight up. Or Green/Fav for Asik/Smith.

[sully00]

Bass and Fav would help them so much, I'd rather give them Wallace than Green.. We would take a huge luxury tax hit next year with those payments to Asik and Lin..


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There is no luxury tax impact from Lin and Asik's contracts it is just cold cash. That doesn't matter because HOU has no reason to give up both of its guards. The only reason Boston should be taking on a veteran PG is if they are sending their's out.

I think Bass is a good fit next to Howard but I am not really getting the fascination with Asik for Boston, a year ago sure but now I don't know that he is exactly what this team is looking for.

[Andrew McCeltic]

What am I missing? Don't both Lin and Asik make 15 million in the last year of their contracts? So we'd pay them 30 million next season instead of what we would owe Bass/Green/Fav (18-20?)


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[sully00]

What am I missing? Don't both Lin and Asik make 15 million in the last year of their contracts? So we'd pay them 30 million next season instead of what we would owe Bass/Green/Fav (18-20?)


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There is a lot of confusion on this. For the Knicks or Bulls to match the offer sheet the contracts would have had to have been structured in a way that the first year equaled the average salary so they could use their early bird rights to match. The Rockets didn't have to do it that way as they had the cap room. So it would have been the roughly 5,10,15 mil structure for the Bulls and Knicks the Rockets can spread the salary evenly over the three years at a little under 8.4 mil. I have heard that the payment schedule remains the 5, 10, 15 but I don't really see why it would be.

Here is the rule http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

[StojkoVrankovic]

I don't spend much time making up fake trades, but I gotta admit watching the Houston game last night I was thinking there's gotta be a way that Houston and Boston can help each other.

Asik obviously doesn't work on Houston. Houston wants to put shooters around Dwight. The role for Asik is ideally 10-15 minutes a night, if that. Playing them together is just a waste of resources.

I think Fav would be the perfect backup to Dwight. He can shoot a little, play defense, and most importantly he's cost controlled for the next 3 years and would slot perfectly into a 10-15 minutes a night role.

Here the trade I was kicking around:

Green + Bass + Fav for Asik + Lin + Beverly + Greg Smith

Asik is the perfect fit around KO and Sully. Smith replaces Bass's athleticism around the rim. Lin and Beverly complement Rondo and Bradley almost perfectly. It's a win/win for both sides. And we just happen to open up a spot at SF when several good SF prospects coming out in next year's draft.

I like Asik, but not at the expense of Green. Regardless of what folks think about him we desperately need his scoring.

I wonder if Danny would consider Bass/Bradley for Asik...probably not, but it works and kind of makes sense for both teams.

[AgentGreen]

Bass is starting to look like the Bass who played for Orlando, i think that Doc was the reason why he didnt perform previous seasons.

The Rockets need a PF, so that they can move Howard to the 5. Their frontcourt with Asik and Howard isnt working.

A package with Bass + fillers for Asik would be great. Dont need to take Lin and Beverly etc to. Thats way to much.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Green & Asik have similar value when looking at win shares and are the same age. However, Houston already has a really good center and could use more scoring at the 3/4. In Boston's case, it's usually more difficult to find a good center than 3/4, and I think Asik would be a good fit with Sullinger and Olynyk. Considering Houston's need for someone like Green, it seems Ainge could dump Lee onto Houston and get a few picks... A 2016 pick could be really valuable. Who knows if Howard holds up.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Bass is starting to look like the Bass who played for Orlando, i think that Doc was the reason why he didnt perform previous seasons.

The Rockets need a PF, so that they can move Howard to the 5. Their frontcourt with Asik and Howard isnt working.

A package with Bass + fillers for Asik would be great. Dont need to take Lin and Beverly etc to. Thats way to much.

Maybe Bass and Bradley is enough for Asik???

[ryaningf]

Bass is starting to look like the Bass who played for Orlando, i think that Doc was the reason why he didnt perform previous seasons.

The Rockets need a PF, so that they can move Howard to the 5. Their frontcourt with Asik and Howard isnt working.

A package with Bass + fillers for Asik would be great. Dont need to take Lin and Beverly etc to. Thats way to much.

Maybe Bass and Bradley is enough for Asik???

NO. Give Bradley to Houston and you've just handed them the best defense in the league, a perfect backcourt mate for Harden, and probably a few championships too. Too much for just Asik.

Green + Fav for Asik + Greg Smith sounds fair for both teams. If they'd want/take Bass instead of Green then obviously you do that too. And damn I'd like to find a way to get Beverly in the deal, but yeah I suppose they're going to need to hang on to him.

[smith2373]

What would be the point of the Rockets trading for Jeff Green when they already have Chandler Parsons and will need to pay him soon?

[165bows]

Bass is starting to look like the Bass who played for Orlando, i think that Doc was the reason why he didnt perform previous seasons.

The Rockets need a PF, so that they can move Howard to the 5. Their frontcourt with Asik and Howard isnt working.

A package with Bass + fillers for Asik would be great. Dont need to take Lin and Beverly etc to. Thats way to much.

Maybe Bass and Bradley is enough for Asik???

NO. Give Bradley to Houston and you've just handed them the best defense in the league, a perfect backcourt mate for Harden, and probably a few championships too. Too much for just Asik.

Green + Fav for Asik + Greg Smith sounds fair for both teams. If they'd want/take Bass instead of Green then obviously you do that too. And damn I'd like to find a way to get Beverly in the deal, but yeah I suppose they're going to need to hang on to him.

I was thinking along those lines I wonder if an Asik for Shumpert/Bargs type of deal would make sense for both teams. Neither Chandler nor Asik is a big minutes guy and Chandler's not been the most durable. Probably see a late first from HOU in the same deal. Houston's perimeter D is bad and NYK can't keep anybody on two feet up front.

[bucknersrevenge]

I don't spend much time making up fake trades, but I gotta admit watching the Houston game last night I was thinking there's gotta be a way that Houston and Boston can help each other.

Asik obviously doesn't work on Houston. Houston wants to put shooters around Dwight. The role for Asik is ideally 10-15 minutes a night, if that. Playing them together is just a waste of resources.

I think Fav would be the perfect backup to Dwight. He can shoot a little, play defense, and most importantly he's cost controlled for the next 3 years and would slot perfectly into a 10-15 minutes a night role.

Here the trade I was kicking around:

Green + Bass + Fav for Asik + Lin + Beverly + Greg Smith

Asik is the perfect fit around KO and Sully. Smith replaces Bass's athleticism around the rim. Lin and Beverly complement Rondo and Bradley almost perfectly. It's a win/win for both sides. And we just happen to open up a spot at SF when several good SF prospects coming out in next year's draft.

I like Asik, but not at the expense of Green. Regardless of what folks think about him we desperately need his scoring.

I wonder if Danny would consider Bass/Bradley for Asik...probably not, but it works and kind of makes sense for both teams.

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The Bass/Bradley for Asik deal is the one I've been kicking around for a while as well. Simply makes too much sense not to happen. Clears some of the guard and pf logjam. Gives us a legit C with playoff experience that excels at the dirty work that can start and play 30mpg.

[Danimals]

Minnesota sends Schved and Cunningham (exp)

Boston sends Lee

Boston saves on the length of Lee's contract and gets a look at Schved's playmaking.

Minnesota solidifies the bench and rotation for a playoff run.

Thoughts?

[Pogue Mahone]

Minnesota sends Schved and Cunningham (exp)

Boston sends Lee

Boston saves on the length of Lee's contract and gets a look at Schved's playmaking.

Minnesota solidifies the bench and rotation for a playoff run.

Thoughts?

Yes please.

[AgentGreen]

Bass is starting to look like the Bass who played for Orlando, i think that Doc was the reason why he didnt perform previous seasons.

The Rockets need a PF, so that they can move Howard to the 5. Their frontcourt with Asik and Howard isnt working.

A package with Bass + fillers for Asik would be great. Dont need to take Lin and Beverly etc to. Thats way to much.

Maybe Bass and Bradley is enough for Asik???

NO. Give Bradley to Houston and you've just handed them the best defense in the league, a perfect backcourt mate for Harden, and probably a few championships too. Too much for just Asik.

Green + Fav for Asik + Greg Smith sounds fair for both teams. If they'd want/take Bass instead of Green then obviously you do that too. And damn I'd like to find a way to get Beverly in the deal, but yeah I suppose they're going to need to hang on to him.

Bradley isn't that good imo, he is a good defender but with Rondo as our PG we need a scorer next to him. If we can sign Hayward then i can except a trade package of Bass + Bradley.

Imagine these 5: Rondo, Hayward, Green, Sullinger, Asik.(Great balance between offense and defense)
Rotation players: Crawford, Pressey, Lee, Wallace, Olynyk, Faverani and the 2014 picks.(the bench can also be improved by signing FA's or with some trades)

[ryaningf]

Maybe Bass and Bradley is enough for Asik???

NO. Give Bradley to Houston and you've just handed them the best defense in the league, a perfect backcourt mate for Harden, and probably a few championships too. Too much for just Asik.

Green + Fav for Asik + Greg Smith sounds fair for both teams. If they'd want/take Bass instead of Green then obviously you do that too. And damn I'd like to find a way to get Beverly in the deal, but yeah I suppose they're going to need to hang on to him.

Bradley isn't that good imo, he is a good defender but with Rondo as our PG we need a scorer next to him. If we can sign Hayward then i can except a trade package of Bass + Bradley.

Imagine these 5: Rondo, Hayward, Green, Sullinger, Asik.(Great balance between offense and defense)
Rotation players: Crawford, Pressey, Lee, Wallace, Olynyk, Faverani and the 2014 picks.(the bench can also be improved by signing FA's or with some trades)

Bradley isn't a good defender, he's a GREAT defender. Bradley's detractors gloss over this point all the time. He's the equivalent of a 25 ppg scorer (on defense) to put it in terms you can understand.

[StojkoVrankovic]

I don't spend much time making up fake trades, but I gotta admit watching the Houston game last night I was thinking there's gotta be a way that Houston and Boston can help each other.

Asik obviously doesn't work on Houston. Houston wants to put shooters around Dwight. The role for Asik is ideally 10-15 minutes a night, if that. Playing them together is just a waste of resources.

I think Fav would be the perfect backup to Dwight. He can shoot a little, play defense, and most importantly he's cost controlled for the next 3 years and would slot perfectly into a 10-15 minutes a night role.

Here the trade I was kicking around:

Green + Bass + Fav for Asik + Lin + Beverly + Greg Smith

Asik is the perfect fit around KO and Sully. Smith replaces Bass's athleticism around the rim. Lin and Beverly complement Rondo and Bradley almost perfectly. It's a win/win for both sides. And we just happen to open up a spot at SF when several good SF prospects coming out in next year's draft.

I like Asik, but not at the expense of Green. Regardless of what folks think about him we desperately need his scoring.

I wonder if Danny would consider Bass/Bradley for Asik...probably not, but it works and kind of makes sense for both teams.

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The Bass/Bradley for Asik deal is the one I've been kicking around for a while as well. Simply makes too much sense not to happen. Clears some of the guard and pf logjam. Gives us a legit C with playoff experience that excels at the dirty work that can start and play 30mpg.

I love the idea of getting Asik, the kid is a difference maker on defense. However, I love the idea of Bradley next to Rondo for years to come.

[AgentGreen]

NO. Give Bradley to Houston and you've just handed them the best defense in the league, a perfect backcourt mate for Harden, and probably a few championships too. Too much for just Asik.

Green + Fav for Asik + Greg Smith sounds fair for both teams. If they'd want/take Bass instead of Green then obviously you do that too. And damn I'd like to find a way to get Beverly in the deal, but yeah I suppose they're going to need to hang on to him.

Bradley isn't that good imo, he is a good defender but with Rondo as our PG we need a scorer next to him. If we can sign Hayward then i can except a trade package of Bass + Bradley.

Imagine these 5: Rondo, Hayward, Green, Sullinger, Asik.(Great balance between offense and defense)
Rotation players: Crawford, Pressey, Lee, Wallace, Olynyk, Faverani and the 2014 picks.(the bench can also be improved by signing FA's or with some trades)

Bradley isn't a good defender, he's a GREAT defender. Bradley's detractors gloss over this point all the time. He's the equivalent of a 25 ppg scorer (on defense) to put it in terms you can understand.

I agree he is a great defender. But we have still Rondo as our PG, who can defend very well imo, next to a PG like Rondo you need a scorer and we are lacking a go to scorer in the backcourt. Hayward is the ideal guard for us imo. Or we should try to make a move on Bledsoe who is defensively better than Hayward. We may have a chance if the Suns really want to tank hard. I still prefer Hayward, he has more size and will be able to cover the 1-2-3 position with his size,

[CelticFaninLBC]

Bass is starting to look like the Bass who played for Orlando, i think that Doc was the reason why he didnt perform previous seasons.

The Rockets need a PF, so that they can move Howard to the 5. Their frontcourt with Asik and Howard isnt working.

A package with Bass + fillers for Asik would be great. Dont need to take Lin and Beverly etc to. Thats way to much.

Maybe Bass and Bradley is enough for Asik???

NO. Give Bradley to Houston and you've just handed them the best defense in the league, a perfect backcourt mate for Harden, and probably a few championships too. Too much for just Asik.

Green + Fav for Asik + Greg Smith sounds fair for both teams. If they'd want/take Bass instead of Green then obviously you do that too. And damn I'd like to find a way to get Beverly in the deal, but yeah I suppose they're going to need to hang on to him.

Houston can probably get more for Asik than just Bass though, and like others have said Boston needs a guard that can score next to Rondo. Now if they're looking to move Rondo, and getting more of a scoring pg, then keeping Bradley makes more sense.

[Pacino62]

Sacramento is looking a hell of a lot worse than us. I know it's premature, but if they are projecting bottom three at the deadline, do they consider flipping Cousins for a boatload of first rounders and some combination KO/Fav and salary. If we gave them the Nets pick as well as our own this year, they would have 3 picks in the best draft in years. If we have won around 35%-40% of our games at that point, we could scare a lot of teams in the playoffs and we would be dangerous next season. A Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Cousins lineup would be a lot of fun to watch.