Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[24istheLAW]

Boston
Trades Lee, Bass, Crawford and 2015 1st (LAC)

Denver
Trades Miller, Chandler and Randolph

Not the first time you've proposed this here. Do you actually see something in Randolph? Or is that just to balance rosters?

[TheRev72]

I heard something really interesting the other day about Danny Ainge and the rebuild from someone within the NBA basketball operations circles.

He told me that by the end of next season he wouldn't be surprised if Sullinger and Olynyk were the ONLY current Celtics STILL on the roster.

WOW. What the heck does that mean? Means Everyone else is dealt or expiring? Even Rondo?

I don't know about this.

Is a Sully - Olynyk frontline really tenable for a team looking to win a title? I would think you would want to keep one and trade the other to obtain a more athletic and/or defensive-minded big man (a SANDERS! or Asik-type player).

I still think it makes more sense to keep Rondo and look to trade the team's young players (including Sully and/or Olynyk), expirings, and draft picks for All-Star players to pair with him. (As in the last Big 3 era, you can always fill out the rest of the roster once your stars are set.) But I'll trust Ainge knows what he's doing here...

[ddb]

I heard something really interesting the other day about Danny Ainge and the rebuild from someone within the NBA basketball operations circles.

He told me that by the end of next season he wouldn't be surprised if Sullinger and Olynyk were the ONLY current Celtics STILL on the roster.

WOW. What the heck does that mean? Means Everyone else is dealt or expiring? Even Rondo?

I don't know about this.

Is a Sully - Olynyk frontline really tenable for a team looking to win a title? I would think you would want to keep one and trade the other to obtain a more athletic and/or defensive-minded big man (a SANDERS! or Asik-type player).

I still think it makes more sense to keep Rondo and look to trade the team's young players (including Sully and/or Olynyk), expirings, and draft picks for All-Star players to pair with him. (As in the last Big 3 era, you can always fill out the rest of the roster once your stars are set.) But I'll trust Ainge knows what he's doing here...

Sully/KO don't need to start together. not a big deal if both are on the roster. 2 talented, cheap young players

[ddb]

Celticsblog was talking about a Celts/Bobcats trade. I wanted to share my idea here. I took the original idea from a poster over there and tweaked it around so it would make sense for both teams. See below.

Rondo/Lee/Green/Bass

for

MKG/Zeller/2015 pick/Sessions/Gordon/Adrein/Tolliver

this trade works $$ wise. Makes sense for both teams. I would do it in a heartbeat.

Sessions/Tolliver/Adrien/Gordon all expire.
Boston gets worse and gets a Top 5 Pick this year. Celts would have a shot at one of the big 3 in the draft. They get a massive amount of cap space as Gordon/Hump/Bogans/Adrien/Crawford/Brooks/Sessions/Tolliver all come off the books. they add 2 quality young players to the mix in MKG and Zeller. Plus the 2015 unprotected pick gives Boston 3 1st rd picks next season. This is exactly the type of asset collecting/tanking trade that can change the face of your franchise and get you back to the finals inside of 3-5 years.

Young core

Bradley (restricted FA), Sully, KO, Zeller, MKG, Faverani + 2 1st round picks in 2014 and CAP SPACE. Cap space doesn't always lead to signing free agents but at least Ainge could make an attempt.

Wallace is still here but Ainge might have an easier shot at dealing him next season when he has only 2 years left on his deal. Or he could be a part of another trade. Or he could be waived.

Plus with all those assets/expirings/picks Ainge could make more deals as the season goes on.

anyway, I like it. I do this all day long.

#2- Draft Parker.

#20- Draft whoever

Cap Space....Make a run at 2 guys. LeBron/Melo/Bosh/Wade/Monroe/Hayward/Bledsoe

Say we draft Parker. overspend on Hayward/Bledsoe. Bring back Bradley

Bledsoe/Hayward/Parker/Sullinger/Zeller
Bench: KO, FAV, MKG, Bradley, Wallace, Nets pick

[leper-con]

I'd look for a more unconventional trade.
If people are dead set on trading Rondo, why not send him to Chicago.
That team to me is set to under achieve.
Rondo starts at the point and shifts Rose to the shooting guard spot, ala DWade.
I think Rose is better suited for that position anyways.
They would have the best backcourt in the league.
It instantly puts them in contender status.
They have a ton of desirable assets, They own Charlottes pick unprotected this coming year,plus they could give us their pick and some young players.

[brackdan70]

I'd look for a more unconventional trade.
If people are dead set on trading Rondo, why not send him to Chicago.
That team to me is set to under achieve.
Rondo starts at the point and shifts Rose to the shooting guard spot, ala DWade.
I think Rose is better suited for that position anyways.
They would have the best backcourt in the league.
It instantly puts them in contender status.
They have a ton of desirable assets, They own Charlottes pick unprotected this coming year,plus they could give us their pick and some young players.

They would need to throw in Deng or Noah.... or a combo like Gibson and Hinrich. to make the salaries work since both teams are over the cap. Charlotte's pick is top 10 protected in 2014 and top 8 in 2015.

unconventional yes, but also pretty unlikely

[Pogue Mahone]

Boston
Trades Lee, Bass, Crawford and 2015 1st (LAC)

Denver
Trades Miller, Chandler and Randolph

Not the first time you've proposed this here. Do you actually see something in Randolph? Or is that just to balance rosters?

6-10, just turned 24 year's old over the summer.

MP: 3388
P36: 17.1
R36: 10.3
B36: 2.2
S36: 1.3
T36: 2.8
F36: 4.3

Has the rare knack of being able to both block shots (4.4 Blk%) and hit the defensive glass (21.5 DReb%.) He is also adapt at creating turnovers (1.8 Stl%.)

He has a 7-3 wingspan and can get out on the break. I think he would be an excellent complement to both Olynyk and Sullinger. He is tied up in a cheap contract, as well.

I really want Chandler, however, but I gladly take Randolph, as well.

[Kefa461]

The Josh Smith benching in Detroit.....is he done there? Does he fit anywhere in Ainge's plan? Any news on this anyone.

[ddb]

The Josh Smith benching in Detroit.....is he done there? Does he fit anywhere in Ainge's plan? Any news on this anyone.

I would go Bass/Lee + 2015 Clips pick or Wallace/Bradley for Josh Smith. That's it.

[zronv7]

I wouldn't even include Bradley in a package for Smith.

[Captain_Caveman]

Boston
Trades Lee, Bass, Crawford and 2015 1st (LAC)

Denver
Trades Miller, Chandler and Randolph

Not the first time you've proposed this here. Do you actually see something in Randolph? Or is that just to balance rosters?

6-10, just turned 24 year's old over the summer.

MP: 3388
P36: 17.1
R36: 10.3
B36: 2.2
S36: 1.3
T36: 2.8
F36: 4.3

Has the rare knack of being able to both block shots (4.4 Blk%) and hit the defensive glass (21.5 DReb%.) He is also adapt at creating turnovers (1.8 Stl%.)

He has a 7-3 wingspan and can get out on the break. I think he would be an excellent complement to both Olynyk and Sullinger. He is tied up in a cheap contract, as well.

I really want Chandler, however, but I gladly take Randolph, as well.

Chandler's OK... say no to Anthony Randolph, though. Problem with a lot of young teams is that dudes haven't gotten their real payday yet. Gotta be careful which guys you are bringing into a situation like ours. Can go from "we" to "me" real quick. He's not a guy to have in the locker room, and will surely be looking to get a real payday if he can in 2015.

[ryaningf]

I heard something really interesting the other day about Danny Ainge and the rebuild from someone within the NBA basketball operations circles.

He told me that by the end of next season he wouldn't be surprised if Sullinger and Olynyk were the ONLY current Celtics STILL on the roster.

WOW. What the heck does that mean? Means Everyone else is dealt or expiring? Even Rondo?

I don't know about this.

Love all your insight, DDB, but this just seems like someone's opinion, someone who doesn't have a very good feel about what Danny might do. Without giving away too much info (I know you can't anyway), how much do you trust this guy's opinion?

[Havlicek17]

I heard something really interesting the other day about Danny Ainge and the rebuild from someone within the NBA basketball operations circles.

He told me that by the end of next season he wouldn't be surprised if Sullinger and Olynyk were the ONLY current Celtics STILL on the roster.

WOW. What the heck does that mean? Means Everyone else is dealt or expiring? Even Rondo?

I don't know about this.

Love all your insight, DDB, but this just seems like someone's opinion, someone who doesn't have a very good feel about what Danny might do. Without giving away too much info (I know you can't anyway), how much do you trust this guy's opinion?

I'd like to see ddb answer this as well. But, in my opinion even if he is a good source of information, he doesn't work for the C's so he is guessing as to what Danny is really going to do. You don't tell the rest of the league what your preferences are and what your strategy is, so they don't have leverage on you...

Danny has two options. Build around Rondo or go all in on the young guys.

If we build around Rondo, we use all of our assets to go after 2 more all star players.

If we go young, we already have Sully, Klynyk, and Bradley, along with 9 1st round draft picks over the next 5 years and tradeable assets to either trade for more young NBA studs or draft picks.

So ddb's friend thinks we're going young. That may actually mean we're not...

I don't think anybody knows what we're going to do for sure, not even Danny. Sure he has his preferences and a plan to go about the rebuild, but if someone comes in and makes an offer you can't refuse (like Brooklyn did), then you go do it.

Trader Danny is open for business...not sure anyone is safe.

[soxfan2003]

I heard something really interesting the other day about Danny Ainge and the rebuild from someone within the NBA basketball operations circles.

He told me that by the end of next season he wouldn't be surprised if Sullinger and Olynyk were the ONLY current Celtics STILL on the roster.

WOW. What the heck does that mean? Means Everyone else is dealt or expiring? Even Rondo?

I don't know about this.

Not surprising to me at all. If I had to guess which two Celtics will survive in Boston the next 2 years, I would have to say Sullinger and Olynyk. Olynyk and Sullinger since they are on their first and second years of their 4 year rookie contracts are the most logical players to keep.

It really is impossible to know but I suspect if the offers are fair, Green and Rondo are moved. Humphries won't be brought back. Bass probably won't be signed after he expires and he like Lee could be gone by the trading deadline this year. Bradley is probably 50/50 at his point...it really depends upon how he plays this year and how much another team is willing to pay. I think Ainge likes him but only at a certain price. If he gets too big of an offer, the Celtics will let him walk. Even if the Celtics sign him after this year, he could be traded as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if Wallace is with the Celtics for the next 1-2 years and then just agrees to a buy-out.

If I had to put a number on it, I would guess 3 current day Celtics survive entering the 2015-16 season but even just 1 wouldn't totally shock me.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Rondo + picks and Jeff Green, Bradley + picks could probably net us two really good packages. Crawford, Brooks, Hump, Bogans are gone at the end of the year..Lee and Bass could be inserted in the packs as fillers..it's possible, but I highly doubt it. Either way there are so many ways things can go for us Celtics fans in the next couple of years or even months, it would be smart to not get attached to anybody on the roster. lol

[Ed Pinkney]

Asik requests a trade again, do you think Houston would be interested in salary cap relief or would they want an asset back? Hump, Bogans and Brooks are all not playing and expiring. Trade checker says a straight swap of Asik for Hump works.

[sully00]

I would take that to mean that everyone besides Olynyk and Sullinger are being discussed in lower level trade talks which makes sense when you look at our roster.

I would also prepare yourself for the reality that Crawford is going to be here beyond this season.

Hoping Hump and '14 1st is trump for Asik.

[165bows]

Asik requests a trade again, do you think Houston would be interested in salary cap relief or would they want an asset back? Hump, Bogans and Brooks are all not playing and expiring. Trade checker says a straight swap of Asik for Hump works.

That's going to be a fascinating one IMO. Should be enough bidders that they get a nice piece. Doesn't seem like it has worked great for them so far.

I wonder if they'd make another deal with Portland, or some other WC team, or if they try to send him to the East.

[ryaningf]

I would take that to mean that everyone besides Olynyk and Sullinger are being discussed in lower level trade talks which makes sense when you look at our roster.

In my understanding at least I take lower level "trade talk" to be data-sourcing where it's not about finding trades as much as polling the league to gauge your own players' perceived value, something that might lead to upper level trade talk down the road but also and more importantly something that creates data to determine market value for free agents, both your own and ones you might like to acquire. Just part of the job of a front office, not necessarily an indication that only 2 of 14 current players will still be on the team in 18 months.

That's why I was trying to get DDB to speak on his source's reliability and whether he thinks this is just DA doing his job or DA seriously pushing for a major makeover in a short period of time.

As an aside, I don't know how you can get full value for Rondo until at least next summer, assuming full recovery and no other injuries. As such, I'd be surprised to hear his names in lower level "trade talks". Similarly, rookies like Olynyk or guys like Sully who's fat right now are also players whose value won't be established until later, thus making them unlikely candidates right now for "trade talk" data-sourcing. Maybe everyone is being included in lower level trade talk except Sully, Olynyk, and Rondo and DDB's source just assumes like a lot of people around the league that Rondo's going to be moved instead of signed to an extension?

[sully00]

Sure I guess, my point is that what is making Boston unique is that they are willing to talk about everyone most teams would avoid talking about certain players if they had no intention of saying yes because of the blow back that will come when someone leaks it to Woj. My guess is the reason to exclude Sullinger and Olynyk is more about increasing their value than anything else, their the "chosen ones."

You can't have a legit talk about this and obsess about Rondo at the same time. If you can't accept that their is clearly a chance that Ainge will move Rondo in the right deal then we can't have a rational conversation. Ainge already said that he believed that Pierce and KG were going to retire Celtics but then he got offered 3 first round draft picks.

I don't think Ainge feels he has to move Rondo but that doesn't mean another team doesn't need Rondo more than Danny Ainge can say no to.