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ibraheim718 wrote:Come on man.. you're going to try and con everyone into thinking that's all you said?
Do you want me to post a collection of nonsensical posts about the kid in the appropriate thread (the around the NBA one)?
And as far as fit... you're just flat out wrong. I have proof.. you don't.
has there been precedence for that from the celtics particularly in trading a piece like rondo? i see how they'd like shumpert, but given that it's a trade to an eastern conference rival, with no previous relationship between ainge and the knicks gm (that i know of) i would imagine he'd want a little more than shumpert.Boik14 wrote:If you look at the way Ainge built the Celtics last time he likes spare parts. Some teams will use a "clean cap method" to building their team and many NBA teams use kind of a "contract accumulation method" to building a team. Ainge does the later. IF he likes Shumpert as a part he could build around, I dont see why it wouldnt be a possibility since it saves the Celtics significant money. Felton would also decline his 2015 option. No way he will want to be part of a rebuild.
Given that Dolan has the patience of a time bomb I cant ever forsee building around picks until he steps back, changes, etc. If he is here with his current approach, we cant think drafting as anything other then a supplement to established talent is a real possibility. And it sucks because if you threw in a few cheap picks around 2-3 stars it could be a juggernaut given that Dolan, to his credit, has never been cheap. Its probably the best thing i could say about him from a basketball standpoint.
Guano wrote:Fourni3r forgetting he has Bob cousy handles
Woodsanity wrote:Imagine trusting a team with World B Flat on it without Lebron keeping him in check.
JBreezeNY wrote:Marty McFly wrote:welp, to play devil's advocate, there's always trading melo, specifically to the celtics for their lotto pick. they've done it before for a 31 year old ray allen (ir was it for garnett?) coming off an injury 2006 when they didn't win the oden sweepstakes. they got pierce some help getting allen and garnett (who they got in a coup as we all remember) if they're that adamant in keeping rondo, and if the knicks rather spend next season tanking since we'll have a pick in 2015.
of course, if i were the knicks I'd do it only for the first pick in the draft, since the knicks would likely have to take back their garbage to make it work, and i don't think the celtics would unless its outside of the top three (if its wiggins, randle, and parker they want)
I can't see the Celtics taking Melo but let's say for example they do or any other upcoming lotto team trades for Melo you still need to figure out the PG situation, the backup C situation and finding a way to build with two way players. It's not incredibly hard to do so but it would be a process.
Guano wrote:Fourni3r forgetting he has Bob cousy handles
Woodsanity wrote:Imagine trusting a team with World B Flat on it without Lebron keeping him in check.
NYKBaller wrote:amare /shumpert/1st rounder for rondo and wallace. sheds them a year off their cap from rondo and wallace plus a pick in 2017
Guano wrote:Fourni3r forgetting he has Bob cousy handles
Woodsanity wrote:Imagine trusting a team with World B Flat on it without Lebron keeping him in check.
A floor general type PG is exactly what Melo needs. Thats why he had his best success with Billups. As Billups declined though that became less and less successful. Melo also needs a secondary scorer, a role Irving can also fill. Kyrie is a baby still he is on the upswing. Rondo is in his peak years. By 2015 he will be on the downside of his career. Kyrie will be right in his prime. Kryie also wants to be here as stated by Mitch Lawrence this past week. Kyrie does have flaws. So does Rondo, attitude not the least of them.JBreezeNY wrote:Marty McFly wrote:welp, to play devil's advocate, there's always trading melo, specifically to the celtics for their lotto pick. they've done it before for a 31 year old ray allen (ir was it for garnett?) coming off an injury 2006 when they didn't win the oden sweepstakes. they got pierce some help getting allen and garnett (who they got in a coup as we all remember) if they're that adamant in keeping rondo, and if the knicks rather spend next season tanking since we'll have a pick in 2015.
of course, if i were the knicks I'd do it only for the first pick in the draft, since the knicks would likely have to take back their garbage to make it work, and i don't think the celtics would unless its outside of the top three (if its wiggins, randle, and parker they want)
I can't see the Celtics taking Melo but let's say for example they do or any other upcoming lotto team trades for Melo you still need to figure out the PG situation, the backup C situation and finding a way to build with two way players. It's not incredibly hard to do so but it would be a process.Boik14 wrote:Honestly I dont have anything specific plan other then its got to involve Melo, Marc Gasol and Kyrie. I think thats the pathway to at least challenging and maybe beating miami. Whether by trade or by FA I think building the core around those 3 and either Timmy Jr or Shump at SG (Probably Timmy since Shump will need a QO in 2015) is something we need to really consider.
Well if the plan is to keep Melo you don't necessarily need Kyrie.
Kyrie as good as he was last season is struggling this year and he also has clear flaws which is being more of a floor general rather than a scoring PG with killer crossovers & forced flashy passes. Not to mention his defense needs improvement ASAP. Getting Rondo would be a step in the right direction and from there you can build with Timmy jr. & Jeremy Tyler while still having cap room for a Marc Gasol or really good role players.Besart19 wrote:
Irving is FA in 2015... Durant in 2016
Kyrie is a RFA in 2015 and you read my mind with Durant in 2016 but I highly, highly, highly doubt that happens. I'm sure there are very good players desiring not too expensive contracts in 2016 though.
Not that I am aware of. Just simply stating I wouldnt do a deal that mortgages 2015. If he wanted JR in the deal for instance because he felt he could flip JR for a 1 i would do it. I wouldnt take back any contract from anyone in any deal unless the deal was so good it was foolish not to...and even then it would have to be a piece Id feel confident I could flip immediate to clean that contract off my books.Marty McFly wrote: has there been precedence for that from the celtics particularly in trading a piece like rondo? i see how they'd like shumpert, but given that it's a trade to an eastern conference rival, with no previous relationship between ainge and the knicks gm (that i know of) i would imagine he'd want a little more than shumpert.
Boik14 wrote:Not that I am aware of. Just simply stating I wouldnt do a deal that mortgages 2015. If he wanted JR in the deal for instance because he felt he could flip JR for a 1 i would do it. I wouldnt take back any contract from anyone in any deal unless the deal was so good it was foolish not to...and even then it would have to be a piece Id feel confident I could flip immediate to clean that contract off my books.Marty McFly wrote: has there been precedence for that from the celtics particularly in trading a piece like rondo? i see how they'd like shumpert, but given that it's a trade to an eastern conference rival, with no previous relationship between ainge and the knicks gm (that i know of) i would imagine he'd want a little more than shumpert.
Guano wrote:Fourni3r forgetting he has Bob cousy handles
Woodsanity wrote:Imagine trusting a team with World B Flat on it without Lebron keeping him in check.
Thats not what people are saying. Rajon Rondo is one of the top 3 PG's in the league right now when hes healthy. The question isnt if we are getting someone better then Rondo in 2015. The question is who will we have to take back from the Celtics that mortgages any plans for Love, Gasol, etc in 2015? The Celtics wont be trading Rondo because theyre nice and want to help us. They will want to save as much money as possible and clear out their cap as much as possible and Rondo is their best asset.Deeeez Knicks wrote:Are we really getting someone better then Rondo in 2015?
Boik14 wrote:Not that I am aware of. Just simply stating I wouldnt do a deal that mortgages 2015. If he wanted JR in the deal for instance because he felt he could flip JR for a 1 i would do it. I wouldnt take back any contract from anyone in any deal unless the deal was so good it was foolish not to...and even then it would have to be a piece Id feel confident I could flip immediate to clean that contract off my books.Marty McFly wrote: has there been precedence for that from the celtics particularly in trading a piece like rondo? i see how they'd like shumpert, but given that it's a trade to an eastern conference rival, with no previous relationship between ainge and the knicks gm (that i know of) i would imagine he'd want a little more than shumpert.
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Are we really getting someone better then Rondo in 2015?
Make it a 3 team deal.Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Boik14 wrote:Not that I am aware of. Just simply stating I wouldnt do a deal that mortgages 2015. If he wanted JR in the deal for instance because he felt he could flip JR for a 1 i would do it. I wouldnt take back any contract from anyone in any deal unless the deal was so good it was foolish not to...and even then it would have to be a piece Id feel confident I could flip immediate to clean that contract off my books.Marty McFly wrote: has there been precedence for that from the celtics particularly in trading a piece like rondo? i see how they'd like shumpert, but given that it's a trade to an eastern conference rival, with no previous relationship between ainge and the knicks gm (that i know of) i would imagine he'd want a little more than shumpert.
What is your ideal 2015 FA plan? Also, there is no longer contract that will be able to immediately flip so I ultimately suppose you are not into the rondo deal.
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Cle is matching any RFA deal for kyrie.
