Knicks targeting Rondo

[JBreezeNY]

A floor general type PG is exactly what Melo needs. Thats why he had his best success with Billups. As Billups declined though that became less and less successful. Melo also needs a secondary scorer, a role Irving can also fill. Kyrie is a baby still he is on the upswing. Rondo is in his peak years. By 2015 he will be on the downside of his career. Kyrie will be right in his prime. Kryie also wants to be here as stated by Mitch Lawrence this past week. Kyrie does have flaws. So does Rondo, attitude not the least of them.

You hit it right on the head with Billups and you also hit it right on the head with Melo needing a second scorer. As far as the Rondo vs Kyrie thing, Kyrie would be an ideal choice mainly because of his young age and all the potential he has unfortunately he's gonna be a RFA and the Cavs will match every single offer he gets. There is a risk with Rondo because a lot of his game relies on athleticism and we don't know how his knee will hold up but so far from what I've seen from Rondo is spectacular.

A lot of people get on Rajon for his inability to shoot without realizing that he's actually improved as a shooter and makes up for his jumpshots with his ability to penetrate the lane and score buckets.

This is the same guy who carried the Celtics on his back against the Heat in the playoffs a couple years ago, not to mention he had a big duel out with Derrick Rose and outplayed him in the 2009 playoffs. He's not somebody you say hey drop 30 for us but if you need to he's capable of doing it.

[kane2021]

2015 is 2010 again only everyone is 5 years older. Its james or bust. And keep in mind the heat will have james bird rights and just as much cap space.

See I like the idea of rondo because he is against everything the heat stand for. Aint a whole lot of guys out there like that. Especially talented ones. That are available. Most of the rest of those guys are in brooklyn. Boston can say they want to keep rondo and build around him. But this guy is a serious competitor. I think his loyalty is to winning more so than boston. I dont see rondo enjoying being on a lottery team.

The nba is due for a new batch of elite talent anyway. Try to get this rondo guy. If not then I would prefer we just clear the table.

[Capn'O]

2015 is 2010 again only everyone is 5 years older. Its james or bust. And keep in mind the heat will have james bird rights and just as much cap space.

See I like the idea of rondo because he is against everything the heat stand for. Aint a whole lot of guys out there like that. Especially talented ones. That are available. Most of the rest of those guys are in brooklyn. Boston can say they want to keep rondo and build around him. But this guy is a serious competitor. I think his loyalty is to winning more so than boston. I dont see rondo enjoying being on a lottery team.

The nba is due for a new batch of elite talent anyway. Try to get this rondo guy. If not then I would prefer we just clear the table.

x1000

Get Rondo with Melo or take a new road.

[JBreezeNY]

2015 is 2010 again only everyone is 5 years older. Its james or bust. And keep in mind the heat will have james bird rights and just as much cap space.

See I like the idea of rondo because he is against everything the heat stand for. Aint a whole lot of guys out there like that. Especially talented ones. That are available. Most of the rest of those guys are in brooklyn. Boston can say they want to keep rondo and build around him. But this guy is a serious competitor. I think his loyalty is to winning more so than boston. I dont see rondo enjoying being on a lottery team.

The nba is due for a new batch of elite talent anyway. Try to get this rondo guy. If not then I would prefer we just clear the table.

All signs are pointing to Kevin Love honestly and while Kevin would be awesome offensively his defense is woeful and I really want defense to be our motto when 2015 comes around. However, the one thing that puts him over damn near every big man minus Marc Gasol is his passing game.

Arguably the best passing big man in the NBA.

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With that said Rondo would be #1 on my list as the marquee player we go after.

[TheGarden]

2015 is 2010 again only everyone is 5 years older. Its james or bust. And keep in mind the heat will have james bird rights and just as much cap space.

See I like the idea of rondo because he is against everything the heat stand for. Aint a whole lot of guys out there like that. Especially talented ones. That are available. Most of the rest of those guys are in brooklyn. Boston can say they want to keep rondo and build around him. But this guy is a serious competitor. I think his loyalty is to winning more so than boston. I dont see rondo enjoying being on a lottery team.

The nba is due for a new batch of elite talent anyway. Try to get this rondo guy. If not then I would prefer we just clear the table.

x1000

Get Rondo with Melo or take a new road.

yes but that new batch of talent comes in every few years with 2014/2015 being 2 of the strongest years potentially we would need a guy then

now there teams who find guys all over the draft but the Knicks have never shown that ability and the fact the team is now being ran by the same guy who was a part of our worst stretch in team history there's really nothing to look forward to

[bkknicks19]

Gotta do everything possible to get Rondo. Having an elite playmaker is what will truly give you the luxury to fill the rest of the team with crap. The knicks problem has always been failing to get enough playmakers on their teams. Rondo is the real opportunity you can't pass up. Free Agency is overrated, trade for great, proven players and build teams around them or draft well.

[Marty McFly]

And to think that Isiah passed over Rondo in order to select Balkman - and that Boston gave up nothing more than cash to acquire him. The irony of it all...

we coulda had lamarcus aldrigde or joakim noah ( traded pick for eddy) and gordon hayward (traded steph pick) too. we would've had a pretty good ballclub doing it the old fashioned way.

it's kinda crazy though as a formerly great point guard, you'd think it would have been easy of him to see how good rondo could have been.

[kane2021]

A love n melo two punch in 2015 is not winning us a title though. I really like kev love too but thats just not going to get it done and is not worth waiting for. I would rather wish melo luck than to go through this all over again.

As a matter of fact. And I cant believe im saying this. If we miss on rondo I would be open to the idea of shopping carmelo and tyson for rebuilding packages. Aside from james making carmelo a side kick in NY I dont see anything magical in 2015 that makes us top dogs.

At least with rondo right now,... we will have a guy I can count on to raise his game in the playoffs and control the ball. Unlike most the rest of these guys who seem to be finished after 82 games.

I guess im just not on board with the idea of rebuilding around carmelo in 2015 via free agency. Especially if we are pushing 30 million a year just for carmelo alone.

[Mr_Perfect]

A love n melo two punch in 2015 is not winning us a title though. I really like kev love too but thats just not going to get it done and is not worth waiting for. I would rather wish melo luck than to go through this all over again.

As a matter of fact. And I cant believe im saying this. If we miss on rondo I would be open to the idea of shopping carmelo and tyson for rebuilding packages. Aside from james making carmelo a side kick in NY I dont see anything magical in 2015 that makes us top dogs.

At least with rondo right now,... we will have a guy I can count on to raise his game in the playoffs and control the ball. Unlike most the rest of these guys who seem to be finished after 82 games.

I guess im just not on board with the idea of rebuilding around carmelo in 2015 via free agency. Especially if we are pushing 30 million a year just for carmelo alone.

Excellent post. Completely agree. Unfortunately the organization doesn't think like you and I. They tend to do things without thinking of future repercussions.

[ibraheim718]

2015 is 2010 again only everyone is 5 years older. Its james or bust. And keep in mind the heat will have james bird rights and just as much cap space.

See I like the idea of rondo because he is against everything the heat stand for. Aint a whole lot of guys out there like that. Especially talented ones. That are available. Most of the rest of those guys are in brooklyn. Boston can say they want to keep rondo and build around him. But this guy is a serious competitor. I think his loyalty is to winning more so than boston. I dont see rondo enjoying being on a lottery team.

The nba is due for a new batch of elite talent anyway. Try to get this rondo guy. If not then I would prefer we just clear the table.

x1000

Get Rondo with Melo or take a new road.

If that happened then the next step is trying to get rid of JR Sniff.. and that seems literally impossible with how entrenched he and his family are at the garden.

Once you have Rondo then you hopefully have a more engaged Anthony who is content with not trying to be someone he isn't (a vocal leader). I'd keep Chandler and try and find a goon or two (guys who score garbage buckets and rebound well) and couple of young 3 and D guys.. a little jack of all trades back up guard and hey you never know. But you'd be solid defensively at the top and the bottom and you'd have a guy who can create easy low impact buckets.. but we'd have to get back to running... it's 2013 the best teams run.. all of them. Your main focus can't just be trying to limit turnovers while stifling creativity and aggression. Make those few personnel moves and find the right coach.. preferably not a retread.

But let's be honest Mills is going to have to get extremely creative to pry Rondo away from Boston.

[mamadontcry]

Rondo is my fav pg in the League. For the stats guys he had 10 triple doubles in PO, enough said.

Boston can ask as many picks they want but at the end of the day is Rondo who will dictate the trade. He can easily behind doors tell (say Houston) he wont be happy there and push in other directions.

So, wait and see

[TheGarden]

If Boston is truly willing to take on STAT's contract that could be the Celtics way of stating take back all our big contracts but find us what we want for Rondo which is likely a young PG and a 1st Round pick

Celtics- Lin, Asik, Stoudemire, Houston 1st Rounder(2015), Knicks 1st Rounder(2018)
Rockets- Shumpert, Lee, Felton
Knicks- Rondo, Wallace, Bass

Celtics get a young PG who can score and dish a little, deal away 2 deals that expire in 2016 for a huge expiring they could use next year and Asik a good defensive big to build with

Rockets need a stopper on the perimeter, Shumpert can play with Harden in the starting unit, slide Parsons up to the stretch 4 with Ray penetrating and kicking or Shumpert can provide energy off the bench for them either way he's needed in a conference that Houston has to match up with Paul, Parker, Curry, Thompson, Westbrook, Conley, etc and Lee who's good depth.

Knicks get their 2nd star and a needed floor general along with Bass who will provide energy, defensive versatility and Wallace who's high energy and can score in transition but otherwise provides nothing much

Now Houston and Boston could do it themselves but I think the Celtics would love the chance to add STAT's expiring next year so go along with all those picks and their rebuild could be complete by the 2015 trade deadline

either way its a long shot

[TheGarden]

A love n melo two punch in 2015 is not winning us a title though. I really like kev love too but thats just not going to get it done and is not worth waiting for. I would rather wish melo luck than to go through this all over again.

As a matter of fact. And I cant believe im saying this. If we miss on rondo I would be open to the idea of shopping carmelo and tyson for rebuilding packages. Aside from james making carmelo a side kick in NY I dont see anything magical in 2015 that makes us top dogs.

At least with rondo right now,... we will have a guy I can count on to raise his game in the playoffs and control the ball. Unlike most the rest of these guys who seem to be finished after 82 games.

I guess im just not on board with the idea of rebuilding around carmelo in 2015 via free agency. Especially if we are pushing 30 million a year just for carmelo alone.

I agree but guys really are worrying too much about Melo's contract

that in itself is one issue but something that wont effect us for one simple reason, if we dont add a guy to make him stay then he might just walk at the end of the day and if we do it would likely means he takes less to continue to build around him and said sidekick

so either way I doubt he signs for the whole 129M

[mamadontcry]

If Boston is truly willing to take on STAT's contract that could be the Celtics way of stating take back all our big contracts but find us what we want for Rondo which is likely a young PG and a 1st Round pick

Celtics- Lin, Asik, Stoudemire, Houston 1st Rounder(2015), Knicks 1st Rounder(2018)
Rockets- Shumpert, Lee, Felton
Knicks- Rondo, Wallace, Bass

Celtics get a young PG who can score and dish a little, deal away 2 deals that expire in 2016 for a huge expiring they could use next year and Asik a good defensive big to build with

Rockets need a stopper on the perimeter, Shumpert can play with Harden in the starting unit, slide Parsons up to the stretch 4 with Ray penetrating and kicking or Shumpert can provide energy off the bench for them either way he's needed in a conference that Houston has to match up with Paul, Parker, Curry, Thompson, Westbrook, Conley, etc and Lee who's good depth.

Knicks get their 2nd star and a needed floor general along with Bass who will provide energy, defensive versatility and Wallace who's high energy and can score in transition but otherwise provides nothing much

Now Houston and Boston could do it themselves but I think the Celtics would love the chance to add STAT's expiring next year so go along with all those picks and their rebuild could be complete by the 2015 trade deadline

either way its a long shot

Isn't funny we were talking about Stat for Rondo/Wallace the same moment Mills was on the phone ?

[TheGarden]

If Boston is truly willing to take on STAT's contract that could be the Celtics way of stating take back all our big contracts but find us what we want for Rondo which is likely a young PG and a 1st Round pick

Celtics- Lin, Asik, Stoudemire, Houston 1st Rounder(2015), Knicks 1st Rounder(2018)
Rockets- Shumpert, Lee, Felton
Knicks- Rondo, Wallace, Bass

Celtics get a young PG who can score and dish a little, deal away 2 deals that expire in 2016 for a huge expiring they could use next year and Asik a good defensive big to build with

Rockets need a stopper on the perimeter, Shumpert can play with Harden in the starting unit, slide Parsons up to the stretch 4 with Ray penetrating and kicking or Shumpert can provide energy off the bench for them either way he's needed in a conference that Houston has to match up with Paul, Parker, Curry, Thompson, Westbrook, Conley, etc and Lee who's good depth.

Knicks get their 2nd star and a needed floor general along with Bass who will provide energy, defensive versatility and Wallace who's high energy and can score in transition but otherwise provides nothing much

Now Houston and Boston could do it themselves but I think the Celtics would love the chance to add STAT's expiring next year so go along with all those picks and their rebuild could be complete by the 2015 trade deadline

either way its a long shot

Isn't funny we were talking about Stat for Rondo/Wallace the same moment Mills was on the phone ?

its like there are no other options

we either gut the team for him or wait a year and half

[mamadontcry]

its like there are no other options

we either gut the team for him or wait a year and half

To get the deal done Rondo must abuse them in the office, otherwise is not happening

[Orange Mamba]

If Boston is truly willing to take on STAT's contract that could be the Celtics way of stating take back all our big contracts but find us what we want for Rondo which is likely a young PG and a 1st Round pick

Celtics- Lin, Asik, Stoudemire, Houston 1st Rounder(2015), Knicks 1st Rounder(2018)
Rockets- Shumpert, Lee, Felton
Knicks- Rondo, Wallace, Bass

Celtics get a young PG who can score and dish a little, deal away 2 deals that expire in 2016 for a huge expiring they could use next year and Asik a good defensive big to build with

Rockets need a stopper on the perimeter, Shumpert can play with Harden in the starting unit, slide Parsons up to the stretch 4 with Ray penetrating and kicking or Shumpert can provide energy off the bench for them either way he's needed in a conference that Houston has to match up with Paul, Parker, Curry, Thompson, Westbrook, Conley, etc and Lee who's good depth.

Knicks get their 2nd star and a needed floor general along with Bass who will provide energy, defensive versatility and Wallace who's high energy and can score in transition but otherwise provides nothing much

Now Houston and Boston could do it themselves but I think the Celtics would love the chance to add STAT's expiring next year so go along with all those picks and their rebuild could be complete by the 2015 trade deadline

either way its a long shot

Just a terrible trade for the Rockets, really

[TheGarden]

If Boston is truly willing to take on STAT's contract that could be the Celtics way of stating take back all our big contracts but find us what we want for Rondo which is likely a young PG and a 1st Round pick

Celtics- Lin, Asik, Stoudemire, Houston 1st Rounder(2015), Knicks 1st Rounder(2018)
Rockets- Shumpert, Lee, Felton
Knicks- Rondo, Wallace, Bass

Celtics get a young PG who can score and dish a little, deal away 2 deals that expire in 2016 for a huge expiring they could use next year and Asik a good defensive big to build with

Rockets need a stopper on the perimeter, Shumpert can play with Harden in the starting unit, slide Parsons up to the stretch 4 with Ray penetrating and kicking or Shumpert can provide energy off the bench for them either way he's needed in a conference that Houston has to match up with Paul, Parker, Curry, Thompson, Westbrook, Conley, etc and Lee who's good depth.

Knicks get their 2nd star and a needed floor general along with Bass who will provide energy, defensive versatility and Wallace who's high energy and can score in transition but otherwise provides nothing much

Now Houston and Boston could do it themselves but I think the Celtics would love the chance to add STAT's expiring next year so go along with all those picks and their rebuild could be complete by the 2015 trade deadline

either way its a long shot

Just a terrible trade for the Rockets, really

yeah I mean Shumpert for them is smart since they need a perimeter stopper but Felton isn't a huge upgrade and is too hot and cold but he does seem like a better fit than Lin for them.

trading the first and Asik is sort of the difficult part

so adding a 4th team who would take Asik and send back a big and send a 1st to Boston is the next step to figure out

[JBreezeNY]

If Boston is truly willing to take on STAT's contract that could be the Celtics way of stating take back all our big contracts but find us what we want for Rondo which is likely a young PG and a 1st Round pick

Celtics- Lin, Asik, Stoudemire, Houston 1st Rounder(2015), Knicks 1st Rounder(2018)
Rockets- Shumpert, Lee, Felton
Knicks- Rondo, Wallace, Bass

Celtics get a young PG who can score and dish a little, deal away 2 deals that expire in 2016 for a huge expiring they could use next year and Asik a good defensive big to build with

Rockets need a stopper on the perimeter, Shumpert can play with Harden in the starting unit, slide Parsons up to the stretch 4 with Ray penetrating and kicking or Shumpert can provide energy off the bench for them either way he's needed in a conference that Houston has to match up with Paul, Parker, Curry, Thompson, Westbrook, Conley, etc and Lee who's good depth.

Knicks get their 2nd star and a needed floor general along with Bass who will provide energy, defensive versatility and Wallace who's high energy and can score in transition but otherwise provides nothing much

Now Houston and Boston could do it themselves but I think the Celtics would love the chance to add STAT's expiring next year so go along with all those picks and their rebuild could be complete by the 2015 trade deadline

either way its a long shot

I love this deal more because everyone wins:

-Rockets add to their perimeter defense & also get rid of Lin like they've been wanting for a couple months now
-Lin goes on a team where he'll actually be the star of
-Celtics get picks along with cap space next season (Asik & Stat)
-Knicks get their second star, drastically improves their biggest need (PG) & most importantly get rid of Stat.

Primo Pasta for everyone.

[Capn'O]

2015 is 2010 again only everyone is 5 years older. Its james or bust. And keep in mind the heat will have james bird rights and just as much cap space.

See I like the idea of rondo because he is against everything the heat stand for. Aint a whole lot of guys out there like that. Especially talented ones. That are available. Most of the rest of those guys are in brooklyn. Boston can say they want to keep rondo and build around him. But this guy is a serious competitor. I think his loyalty is to winning more so than boston. I dont see rondo enjoying being on a lottery team.

The nba is due for a new batch of elite talent anyway. Try to get this rondo guy. If not then I would prefer we just clear the table.

x1000

Get Rondo with Melo or take a new road.

If that happened then the next step is trying to get rid of JR Sniff.. and that seems literally impossible with how entrenched he and his family are at the garden.

Once you have Rondo then you hopefully have a more engaged Anthony who is content with not trying to be someone he isn't (a vocal leader). I'd keep Chandler and try and find a goon or two (guys who score garbage buckets and rebound well) and couple of young 3 and D guys.. a little jack of all trades back up guard and hey you never know. But you'd be solid defensively at the top and the bottom and you'd have a guy who can create easy low impact buckets.. but we'd have to get back to running... it's 2013 the best teams run.. all of them. Your main focus can't just be trying to limit turnovers while stifling creativity and aggression. Make those few personnel moves and find the right coach.. preferably not a retread.

But let's be honest Mills is going to have to get extremely creative to pry Rondo away from Boston.

To say the least.

Is Bargs out in your scenario? In the Rondo deal?! You see why I jock him?!?!?!?! Either him or Chandler MUST go in a Rondo scenario. And Bargs MUST ball out of his mind to even enter that conversation.

Let's be real - I just don't see these Amare scenarios people are bandying about. Orgs don't think the way that tank commanding fans do. They'll want guys that can play. He's shown himself somewhat useful in the last few games. Certainly more like the player he was two years ago than the player he was last year for Toronto. That player had somewhat of a market. Or, if Chandler is a desirable piece, that player is something left in the wake.

It's the longest of longshots but without draft assets a Bargnani playing to his contract level is one of the best pieces we have.


Them Sniffs need to go yesterday. Their unearned privileges are killing morale. Buuuut... they won't.