Knicks targeting Rondo

[TheGarden]

Sorry guys, it's fun to chat but there's no feasible way Rondo is being traded to NY. Cap space is overrated (especially for a city like Boston that is not a FA destination) so all these proposed deals that "save the Celtics millions" aren't very appeasing.

It's about being able to get something

Rondo may not want to sit through a rebuild

Being able to move some bad contracts plus get back an upcoming expiring plus a young player and a future pick is valuable

Especially with Rondo coming off an ACL tear

[Workforce250]

2015

Stand pat for this...

[Jay10]

if carmelo wants rondo, dolan will make sure he's in a knicks jersey before the trade deadline

[GONYK]

if carmelo wants rondo, dolan will make sure he's in a knicks jersey before the trade deadline

Does Dolan own the Celtics too?

[Jay10]

if carmelo wants rondo, dolan will make sure he's in a knicks jersey before the trade deadline

Does Dolan own the Celtics too?

no, but he will make it that the only person remaining on the roster is carmelo.

[mpharris36]

2015

Stand pat for this...

some of you guys hate Melo? but you guys are salavating over Love?

do you realize he is pretty much the exact same player. He is a worse defender however he is a better rebounder.

He is a better 3 point shooter....but Love really needs a PG to get him his looks. Melo can score on his own.

Not sure the love affair with Love. Really good player, but he has his flaws...and you want to wait 2 season just to get him?

[GONYK]

if carmelo wants rondo, dolan will make sure he's in a knicks jersey before the trade deadline

Does Dolan own the Celtics too?

no, but he will make it that the only person remaining on the roster is carmelo.

What if the Celtics don't want any of the players on our roster?

In fact, it would be better for them to not accept a trade of any kind, since Melo not in NY is the best case scenario from their POV

[ag3]

if carmelo wants rondo, dolan will make sure he's in a knicks jersey before the trade deadline

Does Dolan own the Celtics too?

CAA.

[GONYK]

if carmelo wants rondo, dolan will make sure he's in a knicks jersey before the trade deadline

Does Dolan own the Celtics too?

CAA.

Meaningless

[seren]

I have no problem moving pieces to get Rondo. If we get to keep Chandler/Melo/Rondo trio, it is fine to take Wallace and other stuff they can throw at us. I wouldn't mind giving up Shump/Hardaway package for him, but we shouldn't include an unprotected 2018 pick. You never know where the team will be 5 years from now. It is simply too risky. If they do have to include a pick, it should be top five protected.

I think we can salvage a very decent team around those three. You would essentially need a bunch of shooters. Not that it will be easy to get them, but I can see us being able to do that down the road.

Let's say we complete a deal like this: Bargnani/Felton/Shump/Hardaway plus a protected pick for Wallace/Rondo. My guess is Boston would prefer this deal (if they do want a deal indeed) instead of a Amare centered deal as these four can actually play. If they would rather have Amare instead and add Lee to the deal, it is even better for us.

On a deal like that we would be left with Chandler/Melo/Artest/Smith/Rondo with Pablo/Udrih/KMart/Amare/Wallace off the bench. We would need additional moves down the road as it is a piss poor shooting squad, but it is not a bad start. We would have Amare's expiring next year and 3 million exception essentially. The year after we would have Wallace's expiring. I don't necessarily think you can get stars for those contracts, but we can definitely find some useful pieces.

[Jay10]

Does Dolan own the Celtics too?

no, but he will make it that the only person remaining on the roster is carmelo.

What if the Celtics don't want any of the players on our roster?

In fact, it would be better for them to not accept a trade of any kind, since Melo not in NY is the best case scenario from their POV

i'm sure there are teams around the nba that would like to have tyson, bargnani, and other players on the knicks roster.

[bklynstoops]

if carmelo wants rondo, dolan will make sure he's in a knicks jersey before the trade deadline

Does Dolan own the Celtics too?

no, but he will make it that the only person remaining on the roster is carmelo.

that would be a dream. The problem is that any trade where we get Rondo would mean we get every crap contract there is in the league returning to us and every possible pick out the door. Then we're stuck with Melo, Rondo, and bloated contracts that can't play together for years and years.

[moabu08]

Every single bad decision this franchise has made is compounding at this very moment. We have no draft picks because we traded them all away. We have no assets on the roster except for Shump who apparently had secret off season surgery? Oh and the one asset we decided to let walk, Lin, may get traded for the player we covet, Rondo. Oh the irony. Not only that we cant even sign any one to make the roster better because of the awful contract we gave Stoudemire.

Honestly the best move would be trade Melo and start over. If we trade for Rondo and give away picks, rondo, and take on additional contracts we will be in the same boat in a few years that we are now. The front office continues to mortgage the future in hopes of mediocrity for today.

[NOOB77]

I have no problem moving pieces to get Rondo. If we get to keep Chandler/Melo/Rondo trio, it is fine to take Wallace and other stuff they can throw at us. I wouldn't mind giving up Shump/Hardaway package for him, but we shouldn't include an unprotected 2018 pick. You never know where the team will be 5 years from now. It is simply too risky. If they do have to include a pick, it should be top five protected.

I think we can salvage a very decent team around those three. You would essentially need a bunch of shooters. Not that it will be easy to get them, but I can see us being able to do that down the road.

Let's say we complete a deal like this: Bargnani/Felton/Shump/Hardaway plus a protected pick for Wallace/Rondo. My guess is Boston would prefer this deal (if they do want a deal indeed) instead of a Amare centered deal as these four can actually play. If they would rather have Amare instead and add Lee to the deal, it is even better for us.

On a deal like that we would be left with Chandler/Melo/Artest/Smith/Rondo with Pablo/Udrih/KMart/Amare/Wallace off the bench. We would need additional moves down the road as it is a piss poor shooting squad, but it is not a bad start. We would have Amare's expiring next year and 3 million exception essentially. The year after we would have Wallace's expiring. I don't necessarily think you can get stars for those contracts, but we can definitely find some useful pieces.

I actually think a deal could be done with Bargs and Amare in it.....

Felton/Bargs/Amare/Shump and Thjr and a future first.

-4-

Rondo/Bass/Green/Wallace and Lee

This works money wise and Boston would pretty much dump all there bad contracts for them to expire a year earlier.


Rondo/Prigs/Beno
Smith/Lee
Green/Wallace/MWP
Melo/Bass
Chandler/Martin/Cole/Tyler

[seren]

In terms of Amare, the last useless player at his contract size traded was Rashard Lewis. It brought Gilbert Arenas to Orlando and consecutively it brought Okafor/Ariza duo to Washington. Those are the type of players/contracts you would get for Amare.

[ag3]

Every single bad decision this franchise has made is compounding at this very moment. We have no draft picks because we traded them all away. We have no assets on the roster except for Shump who apparently had secret off season surgery? Oh and the one asset we decided to let walk, Lin, may get traded for the player we covet, Rondo. Oh the irony. Not only that we cant even sign any one to make the roster better because of the awful contract we gave Stoudemire.

Honestly the best move would be trade Melo and start over. If we trade for Rondo and give away picks, rondo, and take on additional contracts we will be in the same boat in a few years that we are now. The front office continues to mortgage the future in hopes of mediocrity for today.

Rondo and Carmelo is mediocrity? They are both in their prime for the next 3-5 years and well worth the risk.
A team of Rondo, Carmelo and fillers is a great foundation. Rondo is the perfect player for Carmelo.

[seren]

I actually think a deal could be done with Bargs and Amare in it.....

Felton/Bargs/Amare/Shump and Thjr and a future first.

-4-

Rondo/Bass/Green/Wallace and Lee

This works money wise and Boston would pretty much dump all there bad contracts for them to expire a year earlier.


Rondo/Prigs/Beno
Smith/Lee
Green/Wallace/MWP
Melo/Bass
Chandler/Martin/Cole/Tyler

I would love that deal. We would get some great pieces in Green/Bass in a deal like that. I do not feel however why Boston would be super interested in dealing those players. Green can still ball so as Bass. In fact, I think they can get a low draft pick for Bass from a contender. Lee is the only clear bad contract and even if they want to get rid of him on that extra year, it would only cost them 2 million a year on cap hit to simply waive and stretch his contract.

[NOOB77]

I actually think a deal could be done with Bargs and Amare in it.....

Felton/Bargs/Amare/Shump and Thjr and a future first.

-4-

Rondo/Bass/Green/Wallace and Lee

This works money wise and Boston would pretty much dump all there bad contracts for them to expire a year earlier.


Rondo/Prigs/Beno
Smith/Lee
Green/Wallace/MWP
Melo/Bass
Chandler/Martin/Cole/Tyler

I would love that deal. We would get some great pieces in Green/Bass in a deal like that. I do not feel however why Boston would be super interested in dealing those players. Green can still ball so as Bass. In fact, I think they can get a low draft pick for Bass from a contender. Lee is the only clear bad contract and even if they want to get rid of him on that extra year, it would only cost them 2 million a year on cap hit to simply waive and stretch his contract.

I didn't say it is great for Boston and I think it is the only offer we can make that would interest them because of the 30 mil dollars in cap space we are helping them shed in 2015.

[nyc1695]

A lot of people are complaining that a move for rondo would take away all of our flexibility because of the contracts we would have to take on, but the thing is do we really trust this team to make the right decision come 2015 with our options still open? I kinda don't.

Rondo is one of the very few point guards whose sole purpose and intention is to run an offense. He's doesn't care about stats it seems, and is the most willing passer in the league. If the team in its current form (aka with Melo) has any chance of winning anything we need a guy like Rondo. He won't take Melo's ****, and won't allow stupid iso plays every time down the floor.

However, odds are this move isn't realistic. But if given the chance you have to pull the trigger, even if it changes our future plans. This is different than adding melo to a team with amare, or a move like that where the pieces don't really fit. Rondo doesn't need to fit, he fits the team around himself.

[Rasho Brezec]

It took a healthy Rondo + 3 future HOF's to win a championship. Now a healthy Rondo + Melo run by an incompetent management that puts style over substance can somehow become a contender?

Rondo now is much better than Rondo when they won the chip and Tyson Chandler is way better than Perkins and Melo has potential to put together a post season like Pierce's...it's not a definitive championship team but they're obviously in the conversation with Rondo/Melo/Chandler as a core.

Chandler will be a part of any Rondo deal that has a minor chance of happening, especially since we have no picks to trade.