Knicks targeting Rondo

[seren]

Why is there a belief that Boston cares about salary relief?

Very legit question. The only guy who is clearly on a horrendous deal is Gerald Wallace. All the other names mentioned (Green, Bass, Lee) have value one way or another. Most importantly, all those three players are eligible for waive and stretch. I think they'd rather keep these players, let them actually contribute for the next seasons and get rid of them via waive and stretch instead of having Amare's useless contract on the books for two seasons.

[Pharmcat]

get dragic
better fit than rondo

[Johnny Hoops]

I bet Boston is only talking to us to drive up the price for Rondo on the Rockets

Come on like they would honestly take Amare? Shump? for Rondo?

Unless Rondo pulled a Melo and said he only wanted to go to NYK, but idk his contract status.
all in all its a pipedream

Its a harsh reality but the only players we could honestly move would be THjr Shump and Chandler and I doubt it could even get us someone who is better.

smh

But you are missing a key point -- in order for the Celtic's to really hit the reset button they need a team that is willing to take on their long-term bad contracts -- which Houston really isn't positioned to do because in a Rondo deal they would be paying Harden/Howard/Rondo already.

Plus if Boston doesn't move guys like Wallace/Lee/Bass/Humphries --- they could win just enough games to fall out of top 5 draft slot where potential stars will be sitting in next years draft.

Boston needs a team that will take on those bad contracts freeing up their future while also allowing them to tank this season for highest % shot at Wiggins/Parker/Randle types in draft.


I see a 4 team trade involvings Knicks/Boston/Houston and 1 other team to make things work cap wise.


I also see us losing either Chandler or Bargs in the deal.

[GONYK]

I bet Boston is only talking to us to drive up the price for Rondo on the Rockets

Come on like they would honestly take Amare? Shump? for Rondo?

Unless Rondo pulled a Melo and said he only wanted to go to NYK, but idk his contract status.
all in all its a pipedream

Its a harsh reality but the only players we could honestly move would be THjr Shump and Chandler and I doubt it could even get us someone who is better.

smh

But you are missing a key point -- in order for the Celtic's to really hit the reset button they need a team that is willing to take on their long-term bad contracts -- which Houston really isn't positioned to do because in a Rondo deal they would be paying Harden/Howard/Rondo already.

Plus if Boston doesn't move guys like Wallace/Lee/Bass/Humphries --- they could win just enough games to fall out of top 5 draft slot where potential stars will be sitting in next years draft.

Boston needs a team that will take on those bad contracts freeing up their future while also allowing them to tank this season for highest % shot at Wiggins/Parker/Randle types in draft.


I see a 4 team trade involvings Knicks/Boston/Houston and 1 other team to make things work cap wise.


I also see us losing either Chandler or Bargs in the deal.

No, they don't. They can just keep amassing picks and let those contracts expire.

[Johnny Hoops]

We are getting absolutely killed on Twitter by national writers for thinking we can trade for rondo.

I think it's safe to say that we are once again the laughing stock of the league.

F U dolan and F U steve mills!!!!!!!!!!

I think we can get Rondo, if we find the right taker for Chandler. A Championshio contender might give a good return for Chandler's 1 1/2 years.

Yes - I believe Chandler is probably the missing piece in any Rondo deal -- he'd probably go to some 4th team in the deal who would help fill-in other missing pieces in the overall trade.

Houston/Boston/NY and a 4th team that takes Chandler and makes the deal work by shipping necessary filler/pieces to Houston/Boston.

[NOOB77]

@FisolaNYDN 3m



I feel like we need a separate thread for this just because this trade talk might be going on for a while.

I just can't imagine Ainge making a trade with the Knicks when he has those kind of ties with the Rockets / better options.

But Knicks would be willing to take back bad contracts that Houston probably won't.

A better scenario is a multi-team deal where Houston gets Jeff Green to play PF next to Dwight and other pieces and keeps Lin.

Why is there a belief that Boston cares about salary relief?

If they are tanking for a high pick why would they want Asik and Lin back instead of STAT. Stat would kill two birds with one stone. Get them in better tank position while also cutting a year off there salary. IMO

For Asik and Lin they will be chasing the 8th seed instead in the East.

[GONYK]

But Knicks would be willing to take back bad contracts that Houston probably won't.

A better scenario is a multi-team deal where Houston gets Jeff Green to play PF next to Dwight and other pieces and keeps Lin.

Why is there a belief that Boston cares about salary relief?

If they are tanking for a high pick why would they want Asik and Lin back instead of STAT. Stat would kill two birds with one stone. Get them in better tank position while also cutting a year off there salary. IMO

For Asik and Lin they will be chasing the 8th seed instead in the East.

I'm not saying they take either deal.

I think they take the deal that nets them the most picks.

[seren]

If they are tanking for a high pick why would they want Asik and Lin back instead of STAT. Stat would kill two birds with one stone. Get them in better tank position while also cutting a year off there salary. IMO

For Asik and Lin they will be chasing the 8th seed instead in the East.

or they can get asik and lin and tell them not to play well for the remaining of the year.

[Johnny Hoops]

@FisolaNYDN 3m



I feel like we need a separate thread for this just because this trade talk might be going on for a while.

I just can't imagine Ainge making a trade with the Knicks when he has those kind of ties with the Rockets / better options.

But Knicks would be willing to take back bad contracts that Houston probably won't.

A better scenario is a multi-team deal where Houston gets Jeff Green to play PF next to Dwight and other pieces and keeps Lin.

Why is there a belief that Boston cares about salary relief?

I guess in my mind -- I think they want to shed the longer term contracts to 1 - free cap space and 2 - to help them tank.

At some point they'll want cap space to target a key free agent or 2. At least that is my opinion.

[NOOB77]

Why is there a belief that Boston cares about salary relief?

If they are tanking for a high pick why would they want Asik and Lin back instead of STAT. Stat would kill two birds with one stone. Get them in better tank position while also cutting a year off there salary. IMO

For Asik and Lin they will be chasing the 8th seed instead in the East.

I'm not saying they take either deal.

I think they take the deal that nets them the most picks.

What picks? Nobody is going to be running to give them lotto picks. Only people that will trade for Rondo will be teams like Houston and New York lower level playoffs teams looking to get over the edge. So the picks they receive will be late first rounders. That isn't anything to write home about.

Teams like the Bobcats and Jazz are not giving up quality picks for a player like Rondo. IMO

[kosmovitelli]

Why is there a belief that Boston cares about salary relief?

As I said in another thread, Amare (two years and $21 mil left) for Lee and Wallace (3 years and $15 mil left) and fillers wouldn't give the Celtics salary relief immediatly but it would help them release enough cap room to be a player in free agency 2015. That trade would also take the Knicks out of the competition in 2015. Not only the Knicks would no longer have much projected cap space in 2015 but they wouldn't have enough money to make a run at Rondo (kill two birds with one stone).

That's a pretty huge incentive for the Celtics. Either they trade Rondo (to another team), get more assets (draft picks) and tank or they keep Rondo, still try to tank for two years then in 2015, they could have Rondo, 1 or 2 top 5 picks (2014 and 2015) and lots of cap room. If they tank and draft well in june 2014, Ainge could rebuild very quickly. I think Amare for Lee and Wallace is pretty sweat for them. I don't even think they wanted Wallace in the first place, it's just the Nets didn't have enough big contracts to make salaries match and Ainge was desperate to get rid of KG, Pierce (and Doc) asap and acquire draft picks in return...

[Johnny Hoops]

I bet Boston is only talking to us to drive up the price for Rondo on the Rockets

Come on like they would honestly take Amare? Shump? for Rondo?

Unless Rondo pulled a Melo and said he only wanted to go to NYK, but idk his contract status.
all in all its a pipedream

Its a harsh reality but the only players we could honestly move would be THjr Shump and Chandler and I doubt it could even get us someone who is better.

smh

But you are missing a key point -- in order for the Celtic's to really hit the reset button they need a team that is willing to take on their long-term bad contracts -- which Houston really isn't positioned to do because in a Rondo deal they would be paying Harden/Howard/Rondo already.

Plus if Boston doesn't move guys like Wallace/Lee/Bass/Humphries --- they could win just enough games to fall out of top 5 draft slot where potential stars will be sitting in next years draft.

Boston needs a team that will take on those bad contracts freeing up their future while also allowing them to tank this season for highest % shot at Wiggins/Parker/Randle types in draft.


I see a 4 team trade involvings Knicks/Boston/Houston and 1 other team to make things work cap wise.


I also see us losing either Chandler or Bargs in the deal.

No, they don't. They can just keep amassing picks and let those contracts expire.

But at some point - you'd think they would want to target a key young free agent and having cap space helps in that pursuit.

Obviously many ways to skin a cat but cap space is usually a good thing. Especially if you have a badly managed team like Knicks to take advantage of.

[MKCATL]

I wonder if I'll see a proper rebuild in my lifetime, We are teatering on the edge of Isiah Thomas days here, one wrong move and we could be irrelevent for another 5 years.

[Johnny Hoops]

Why is there a belief that Boston cares about salary relief?

If they are tanking for a high pick why would they want Asik and Lin back instead of STAT. Stat would kill two birds with one stone. Get them in better tank position while also cutting a year off there salary. IMO

For Asik and Lin they will be chasing the 8th seed instead in the East.

I'm not saying they take either deal.

I think they take the deal that nets them the most picks.

They need the right (HIGH) picks - quality over quantity --- that's why I think they are going to tank if they can pull it off.

[Deeeez Knicks]

But you are missing a key point -- in order for the Celtic's to really hit the reset button they need a team that is willing to take on their long-term bad contracts -- which Houston really isn't positioned to do because in a Rondo deal they would be paying Harden/Howard/Rondo already.

Plus if Boston doesn't move guys like Wallace/Lee/Bass/Humphries --- they could win just enough games to fall out of top 5 draft slot where potential stars will be sitting in next years draft.

Boston needs a team that will take on those bad contracts freeing up their future while also allowing them to tank this season for highest % shot at Wiggins/Parker/Randle types in draft.


I see a 4 team trade involvings Knicks/Boston/Houston and 1 other team to make things work cap wise.


I also see us losing either Chandler or Bargs in the deal.

No, they don't. They can just keep amassing picks and let those contracts expire.

But at some point - you'd think they would want to target a key young free agent and having cap space helps in that pursuit.

Obviously many ways to skin a cat but cap space is usually a good thing. Especially if you have a badly managed team like Knicks to take advantage of.

like Rondo?

These trade ideas are so ridiculous. Why would Boston trade Rondo to clear cap space so they can sign a player like Rondo? Makes absolutley no sense. Boston has no incentive to trade Rondo right now unless they get a stud young prospect or high lotto picks.

We are better then these dream trades

[Deeeez Knicks]

And if you are Rondo, who do you trust more to build a contending team? Ainge who already built a championship team or Mills/Dolan who helped make the Knicks the laughing stock of the league and are off to a good start once again?

[NOOB77]

And if you are Rondo, who do you trust more to build a contending team? Ainge who already built a championship team or Mills/Dolan who helped make the Knicks the laughing stock of the league and are off to a good start once again?

It is not about Mills and Dolan it is about going to battle with Melo against the Heat. Has nothing to do with the front office. IMO

[Knicks_Fan2]

They aren't trading Rondo this season. And if they are, it won't be to us.

[GONYK]

Why is there a belief that Boston cares about salary relief?

As I said in another thread, Amare (two years and $21 mil left) for Lee and Wallace (3 years and $15 mil left) and fillers wouldn't give the Celtics salary relief immediatly but it would help them release enough cap room to be a player in free agency 2015. That trade would also take the Knicks out of the competition in 2015. Not only the Knicks would no longer have much projected cap space in 2015 but they wouldn't have enough money to make a run at Rondo (kill two birds with one stone).

That's a pretty huge incentive for the Celtics. Either they trade Rondo (to another team), get more assets (draft picks) and tank or they keep Rondo, still try to tank for two years then in 2015, they could have Rondo, 1 or 2 top 5 picks (2014 and 2015) and lots of cap room. If they tank and draft well in june 2014, Ainge could rebuild very quickly. I think Amare for Lee and Wallace is pretty sweat for them. I don't even think they wanted Wallace in the first place, it's just the Nets didn't have enough big contracts to make salaries match and Ainge was desperate to get rid of KG, Pierce (and Doc) asap and acquire draft picks in return...

I totally understand why Boston does it if they aren't including Rondo.

I don't understand why it would make a Rondo trade with us worth it.

[kane2021]

I don't see rondo throwing games for Boston.