Every Trade Since We Moved Ewing to Seattle

[R-DAWG]

The Marbury and Van Horn trades were excellent. Revisionism can't change that.



God, why did Isiah trade van horn for Thomas? The team looked good with the mormon

Marbury trade of 2 lottery picks, young talent and expiring contracts for Marbury and Penny Hardaway's awful contract was a great trade then and now?

I just spotted an Isiah disciple among us. Usually these type of people pretend they never supported Isiah. At least you're open about it.

The Marbury trade was for a non lotto pick in 2014 and a future protected pick. However, the protection doesn't work when u miss the playoffs for 6 years. That pick in 2010 went to UTAH which turned into Gordon Haywood, the pick before Paul George.

The Curry trade was the worst though - the picks turned into Jokim Noah and LaMarcus Aldridge AND Curry's contract forced us to trade 2009's 1st rd pick (Jordan Hill) and 2012's 1st rd pick to clear cap space.

In turn that resulted in us not being able to include picks in the Carmelo deal until 2014 and 2016. Now, 3 years later, 2014 ain't looking so good for us and who knows if Melo will be here in 2016.

What's the lesson - don't trade future first round picks, it ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS comes back to bite you in the ass. And this is what makes what Brooklyn did so risky. They are going to be in a weak position for 5 years in order to have 1 shot this season, with a rookie coach, if they can stay healthy. The roster's great on paper but personally, I'd prefer to be building around Lopez-Favors-Lillard right now.

[Anotha Knicks fan]

What I see is a lot of recycling, chances taken, and effort to acquire what should have been our pick in the first place. I can't believe we finally landed our star, and within an eyeblink, here we are back at square one (or at least producing like its square one.)

I just wonder if Dolan would ever take a look at this list and wonder, damm... I wonder what would happen if I let the people I hire do their damm job. How long will our futility last? I'm not even asking for much... Just want to get to conference finals, and give a good run at it.

Dolan doesn't deserve the franchise... His daddy should be rolling in his grave!

[Mr_Perfect]

Dolan's father, Charles, is still alive.

[Deeeez Knicks]

15 years later, we are still doing the same type of trades and heading in the same direction.

[Daaaarryyl]

So since things went down after Dolan took control, and around the time Ewing demanded a trade... do we call this the Dolan curse or the Ewing curse?

One thing I do not think we can argue is there is a lot of futility in that pattern of trades since Ewing was moved to Seattle, and what you clearly see is a blue print for mismanaging resources (draft picks, players, and cash).

I support calling it the "curse of the Dolino", or "Dolan's Curse".

Yeah, If you remember Dave Checketts was team president and during the horrid '99 season Dolan (who was rumored to be taking control away from Checketts) forced him to choose between his GM (Ernie Grunfeld) and his coach (JVG). He wanted someone to pay with their job and didn't care who it was.

Checketts decided it was easier to can the GM and keep the coach hoping the chemistry would eventually develop by the time the playoffs came around. As we all know they ended up going to the Finals that year, which I'm sure Dolan felt he deserved credit for. Dolan eventually canned Checketts.

In Checkett's exit interview he told Dolan he was going to have to eventually blow up the team and start a legitimate rebuild.

As the story goes Dolan laughed mockingly in Checkett's face that they would do anything of the sort. As though A) Making the playoffs every year was more important than building a legit winner and B) That making the playoffs every year was easy and that he didn't need a guy like Checkett's around to give him any sort of blueprint.

The people who reported the above story was blackballed by Dolan. AFAIK, none of them cover the team anymore except for Isola and Berman.

I will also never forget the press conference with Dolan announcing he was taking over the operations of ths team. He said straight up that he knew nothing about basketball but that he would learn the operations (paraphrasing). I knew then that we were royally F*****.

[Clyde_Style]

Bookmarked original post for those rainy day blues.

[duetta]

The Marbury and Van Horn trades were excellent. Revisionism can't change that.

Nothing revisionist about it. I cancelled my subscription to MSG for the remainder of the NBA season on the day the Me-bury trade went down. MSG only came back on when it came time to get the sports package that also included YES. The Me-bury was a symptom of everything that is wrong with the Knicks.

[Thorn]

So since things went down after Dolan took control, and around the time Ewing demanded a trade... do we call this the Dolan curse or the Ewing curse?

One thing I do not think we can argue is there is a lot of futility in that pattern of trades since Ewing was moved to Seattle, and what you clearly see is a blue print for mismanaging resources (draft picks, players, and cash).

I support calling it the "curse of the Dolino", or "Dolan's Curse".

Yeah, If you remember Dave Checketts was team president and during the horrid '99 season Dolan (who was rumored to be taking control away from Checketts) forced him to choose between his GM (Ernie Grunfeld) and his coach (JVG). He wanted someone to pay with their job and didn't care who it was.

Checketts decided it was easier to can the GM and keep the coach hoping the chemistry would eventually develop by the time the playoffs came around. As we all know they ended up going to the Finals that year, which I'm sure Dolan felt he deserved credit for. Dolan eventually canned Checketts.

In Checkett's exit interview he told Dolan he was going to have to eventually (if not soon) blow up the team and start a legitimate rebuild.

As the story goes Dolan laughed mockingly in Checkett's face that they would do anything of the sort. As though A) Making the playoffs every year was more important than building a legit winner and B) That making the playoffs every year was easy and that he didn't need a guy like Checkett's around to give him any sort of blueprint.

The people who reported the above story was blackballed by Dolan. AFAIK, none of them cover the team anymore except for Isola and Berman.

I will also never forget the press conference with Dolan announcing he was taking over the operations of ths team. He said straight up that he knew nothing about basketball but that he would learn the operations (paraphrasing). I knew than we were royally F*****.

Holy crap, I forgot about that ugly scene. Good job man... really puts things into perspective even better for me, personally.

15 years later, we are still doing the same type of trades and heading in the same direction.

I seriously LOL'd at the Groundhog day comparison, then I cried... a little.

[Anotha Knicks fan]

Dolan's father, Charles, is still alive.

He can still rolli in his grave for all I care

[Thorn]

7/9/2010: Knicks acquire Ronny Turiaf, Kelenna Azubuike, and Anthony Randolph in exchange for David Lee. - See more at: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1284789#sthash.gqEsmthQ.dpuf

It was reported that Golden State offered Monta for Lee, but old man Donnie declined and countered with this crap^

I can see almost see him trying to make sense of this in his board room...

'See Monta is one guy... but THIS... this trade gives us THREE GUYS!!! Three FOR ONE!!!! We win!!!

[GONYK]

That Monta Ellis trade was rejected by the Warriors, Donnie, and David Lee who said that Monta played a big role in recruiting him.

Also, Monta Ellis sucks and his contract would have hurt us in the Melo negotiations.

[Marty McFly]

7/9/2010: Knicks acquire Ronny Turiaf, Kelenna Azubuike, and Anthony Randolph in exchange for David Lee. - See more at: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1284789#sthash.gqEsmthQ.dpuf

It was reported that Golden State offered Monta for Lee, but old man Donnie declined and countered with this crap^

I can see almost see him trying to make sense of this in his board room...

'See Monta is one guy... but THIS... this trade gives us THREE GUYS!!! Three FOR ONE!!!! We win!!!

is he sure dolan is his kid? he looks like adam west but jimmy looks like cesar romero's joker. that would explain alot.

[Thorn]

That Monta Ellis trade was rejected by the Warriors, Donnie, and David Lee who said that Monta played a big role in recruiting him.

Also, Monta Ellis sucks and his contract would have hurt us in the Melo negotiations.

Why you gotta go and bring logic into it?

It was reported that Golden State offered Monta for Lee, but old man Donnie declined and countered with this crap^

I can see almost see him trying to make sense of this in his board room...

'See Monta is one guy... but THIS... this trade gives us THREE GUYS!!! Three FOR ONE!!!! We win!!!

is he sure dolan is his kid? he looks like adam west but jimmy looks like's like cesar romero's joker. that would explain alot.

MUST PHOTOSHOP!!!

[Marty McFly]

MUST PHOTOSHOP!!!

[KnicksScholar24]

2/18/2010: Knicks acquire Tracy McGrady and Sergio Rodriguez in exchange for Jordan Hill, Jared Jeffries, and a heavily conditional pick that eventually became Royce White this year.

this one isn't so bad anymore since the pick turned into Royce White haha. Still a bad trade though.

Jordan Hill would fit on with this team better than most of the Knicks big-men not named Chandler. I liked Rodriguez and all, but this certain classifies as a horrendous trade.

[DishAndSwish]

Hindsight is 20/20 but we really should have just let Ewing walk. His contract eventually got flipped around into long term deals for mediocre players that didn't get us anywhere and handcuffed our ability to either restock with young talent or be bad enough to win a lottery pick.

Although not Isiah's or Dolan's fault, to me the organization officially started to go downhill when we drafted Frederic Weis.

[HarthorneWingo]

Frank Williams! Is he available?


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[IMAN5]

2/18/2010: Knicks acquire Tracy McGrady and Sergio Rodriguez in exchange for Jordan Hill, Jared Jeffries, and a heavily conditional pick that eventually became Royce White this year.

this one isn't so bad anymore since the pick turned into Royce White haha. Still a bad trade though.

Jordan Hill would fit on with this team better than most of the Knicks big-men not named Chandler. I liked Rodriguez and all, but this certain classifies as a horrendous trade.

oh I agree, its a terrible trade, but the Royce White thing makes me feel a little better.

[Thorn]

Hindsight is 20/20 but we really should have just let Ewing walk. His contract eventually got flipped around into long term deals for mediocre players that didn't get us anywhere and handcuffed our ability to either restock with young talent or be bad enough to win a lottery pick.

Although not Isiah's or Dolan's fault, to me the organization officially started to go downhill when we drafted Frederic Weis.

Throwing away the 15th pick in the first round of the 1999 NBA Draft will always be a negative impact on your franchise, I don't understand why the Knicks do not get that. Every pick has value and the chance to change the fortune of your team.

In that case we could have had Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, or James Posey. While yes, hind sight is 20/20 throwing away a pick on a player who has no intention of coming to the United states is foolish.

I find that out in advance, if the guys is even lukewarm on the idea I don't draft him.

[Jmonty580]

The NeNe trade was the worse. Not only did we trade our pick (or maybe it was picked for us) and Camby he was playing great back then, but Amare was still on the boards. I wanted us to draft Amare. I can remember reading the daily news and some article about Amare thinking we HAVE to take this kid if he is still on the boards. Amare rookie year and early days was a complete beast. Him next to a Camby that looked more like Anthony Davis does now (minus any scoring abilities ofcourse) would have been amazing for us.

And i wasnt pumped about getting McDyese. Ofcourse after the trade I tried to convince myself it would work out and the McDyese was going to be good for us, but then... injury.