OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Based on what he's shown so far, do you guys see him as a Durant/ Anthony Davis level prospect? (unfair to compare anyone to LeBron)

Absolutely not, Davis/Durant not only were just as physically gifted but their skills were on par with their body, with that said; its still way to early to determine that and I could be dead wrong by the time March/April roles around.

When I think of elite players who have led their teams to championships, I think of elite players on both sides of the court. Duncan, Wade, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq etc etc were all amazing offensive players. I'm not sure if Wiggins is on that level.

Looking at the college numbers so far I don't see Wiggins matching up to some of the recent great draft picks. I'm no college expert and maybe he could improve greatly as the season goes on.

Anthony Davis - 14 pts, 10.5 rbs, 1 assist, 5 blocks, 1 steal, 62% 5 ftas
KD - 26pts, 11 rbs, 1 assist, 2 steals, 2 blocks, 47% , 7.3 ftas
Wade - 21.5 pts, 6rbs, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 50% fg , 7.5 ftas
Wiggins - 17 pts, 6rbs, 2 assists, 2 steals, 55% fg, 5.3 ftas

To me he isn't on the level of some of these other players who have ended up as high draft picks and then done well on the NBA.

Will be interesting to watch as the season progresses. Too lazy to add Parker's stats.
One thing which is interesting is KD for example averaged a good 6 mins more that Wiggins is right now.

Oh Yeah Man, you're completely right I don't see dwayne wade and andrew wiggins college stats measuring up at all...oh except for this one thing....here's dwayne wade's college averages:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player ... wyane-wade

If you told a random realgmer that wade's freshman numbers were wiggins freshman number's you would fool a lot of people. That's is if they ignored wiggins better efficiency. Also judging wiggins on a sample size of 3 games and saying he can't compare to player x is a bit silly since wiggins could score 30 next game or get a triple double or go 3-15 from the field and completely skew his statistics due to lol sample size.

That said it should be worth noting that dwayne wade put up some "wiggins seems like a bust" type statsitcal averages for his frosh year, and he turned out pretty good!

[Hero]

Absolutely not, Davis/Durant not only were just as physically gifted but their skills were on par with their body, with that said; its still way to early to determine that and I could be dead wrong by the time March/April roles around.

When I think of elite players who have led their teams to championships, I think of elite players on both sides of the court. Duncan, Wade, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq etc etc were all amazing offensive players. I'm not sure if Wiggins is on that level.

Looking at the college numbers so far I don't see Wiggins matching up to some of the recent great draft picks. I'm no college expert and maybe he could improve greatly as the season goes on.

Anthony Davis - 14 pts, 10.5 rbs, 1 assist, 5 blocks, 1 steal, 62% 5 ftas
KD - 26pts, 11 rbs, 1 assist, 2 steals, 2 blocks, 47% , 7.3 ftas
Wade - 21.5 pts, 6rbs, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 50% fg , 7.5 ftas
Wiggins - 17 pts, 6rbs, 2 assists, 2 steals, 55% fg, 5.3 ftas

To me he isn't on the level of some of these other players who have ended up as high draft picks and then done well on the NBA.

Will be interesting to watch as the season progresses. Too lazy to add Parker's stats.
One thing which is interesting is KD for example averaged a good 6 mins more that Wiggins is right now.

If you told a random realgmer that wade's freshman numbers were wiggins freshman number's you would fool a lot of people. That's is if they ignored wiggins better efficiency. Also judging wiggins on a sample size of 3 games and saying he can't compare to player x is a bit silly since wiggins could score 30 next game or get a triple double or go 3-15 from the field and completely skew his statistics due to lol sample size.

That said it should be worth noting that dwayne wade put up some "wiggins seems like a bust" type statsitcal averages for his frosh year, and he turned out pretty good!

Calm down buddy. I'm saying it's going to be interesting to watch as the season progresses to see if his play improves or not.

I'm just surprised at how he has played thus far given the insane hype.

Some other posters made some good points about the system he is in and also I think he should and hopefully will get some more minutes as the season goes on.

[Double Helix]

[quote="Hero]

When I think of elite players who have led their teams to championships, I think of elite players on both sides of the court. Duncan, Wade, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq etc etc were all amazing offensive players. I'm not sure if Wiggins is on that level.

Looking at the college numbers so far I don't see Wiggins matching up to some of the recent great draft picks. I'm no college expert and maybe he could improve greatly as the season goes on.

Anthony Davis - 14 pts, 10.5 rbs, 1 assist, 5 blocks, 1 steal, 62% 5 ftas
KD - 26pts, 11 rbs, 1 assist, 2 steals, 2 blocks, 47% , 7.3 ftas
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KD's are impressive but I don't think his team was ranked in the top 10. It would basically be like if Wiggins went to Florida State. He's probably at 20-25 points right now on a team with no shot at the title.[/quote]

But there's value in seeing that because that's what being a superstar is. A superstar retains high efficiency despite being the opposing team's primary focus. A superstar is a guy that everybody knows is going to get the ball, and who teammates always want to give the ball to because of his skill, and who the defence just can't stop because the player is that good. Most teams that win Championships tend have a player like that.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be taking team role into consideration but I don't think it's wise to just assume that players are playing passive or not handling the ball much simply because they want to be good teammates and that it will all change at the NBA level either. That kind of thinking lead to Marvin Williams getting picked over the more polished Chris Paul and Deron Williams. We shouldn't give top prospects with terrific frames and great athleticism the benefit of doubt entirely simply because they're playing on great teams. Not when you're talking about using a first overall pick on that player in a great draft. I think you can do that more when you're picking later but when you're picking first you want to be pretty damn sure that the kid you're getting WILL become the type of player who can make something out of nothing consistently when called upon with a defence set.

We all know Wiggins is going to probably break Rudy Gay's 12'3 max reach SF record at the combine. We all know he is going to dominate the speed, agility and leaping tests. We all know that in private workouts he's going to look like the second coming of Michael Jordan so what I want to see before all that hype builds back up again in June is him put Kansas on his back and show some handles, show an ability to get into the paint and create for others, show into improvement on the jumper, all the while playing elite defence.

That's what you want to see from Wiggins if you're going to use the #1 pick on him in this draft because if he continues to be the second or third best freshmen on his Kansas team them what does that say about his chances to leading a bad team to the playoffs almost single-handedly someday and becoming the best player on a championship caliber team?

[Young_Buc]

Doing step backs when he doesn't have to? He does it to create space for himself for that J, otherwise what should he do, stand there and take a stationary contested J? Stepback is part of his game, and his trademark move that he uses to score alot on. I rarely seen he forced a crossover dribble, he doesn't do it for the sake of doing it, he makes up his mind, uses it to make a quick change of pace and go right to the paint, it's not like he does crossover on isos and fumbles it.

Exactly all Jabari is doing is measuring out the D. I don't think he's been watching a lot of Duke games. Jabari is a very smart player I haven't him assault the rim with dumb shots.

I've watched 3 out of the 4 he's played in. Jabari's shot is lights out. Is he that kind of shooter? I don't know really. It would surprise me if he is. What I'm saying is watch him next time he plays and has a 6'4-6'6 guy on him. He'll play around with the ball and take a difficult shot instead of bullying a guy he's got 4' and 30 pounds on. Just look for it.

[Randle McMurphy]

That's what you want to see from Wiggins if you're going to use the #1 pick on him in this draft because if he continues to be the second or third best freshmen on his Kansas team them what does that say about his chances to leading a bad team to the playoffs almost single-handedly someday and becoming the best player on a championship caliber team?

Not too much at all because we'd still be talking about one year of college when he was still an incredibly raw prospect. He's also been the best freshman on his team so far, FYI. The best player on the team to this point, Perry Ellis, is a sophomore.

[Ragnar0k]

People need to calm down. He's played 3 games.

Michael Jordan's stats at UNC

Freshman: 13.5 ppg, 4.4 boards, 1.8 assists, 1.2 steals - this is in 31.7 minutes per game. (34 games)
Sophomore: 20.0 ppg, 5.5 boards, 1.6 assists, 2.2 steals, 30.9 minutes per game (36 games)
Junior: 19.6 ppg, 5.3 boards, 2.1 assists, 1.6 steals, 29.5 minutes per game (31 games)

Not that I'm saying he's going to be MJ, but just chill out and let the kid play. MJ also played within the system and wasn't what people would consider "aggressive" at the college level. Just check out some of his UNC highlights/games.

Maybe he won't turn out to be as amazing as he's projected to be, but as long as he's playing within the system and his team is winning while picking up decent stats, and still having a positive impact on the game, that's what we should be paying attention to.

[almatic]

I think will be the better player

Wiggins make have the higher ceiling but not all players reach that ceiling.

Parker reminds me of a melo/pierce where you just know they will be legit and be at least an all star level player

So I hope Wiggins is reminding you of a Paul George going in.. no one thought Paul George would be the all-star he is now, especially this quickly.

[fredericklove]

Doing step backs when he doesn't have to? He does it to create space for himself for that J, otherwise what should he do, stand there and take a stationary contested J? Stepback is part of his game, and his trademark move that he uses to score alot on. I rarely seen he forced a crossover dribble, he doesn't do it for the sake of doing it, he makes up his mind, uses it to make a quick change of pace and go right to the paint, it's not like he does crossover on isos and fumbles it.

Exactly all Jabari is doing is measuring out the D. I don't think he's been watching a lot of Duke games. Jabari is a very smart player I haven't him assault the rim with dumb shots.

I've watched 3 out of the 4 he's played in. Jabari's shot is lights out. Is he that kind of shooter? I don't know really. It would surprise me if he is. What I'm saying is watch him next time he plays and has a 6'4-6'6 guy on him. He'll play around with the ball and take a difficult shot instead of bullying a guy he's got 4' and 30 pounds on. Just look for it.

If it's just a 1 or 2 time thing in a game, then sure, especially w/ the amount of touches Parker gets, you can't expect every single play is perfectly executed. Yet, I see him execute more good plays than bad plays so I'm not quite reassured that he does this a lot against guys smaller than him, I'll have to find out again.

Let me know which 3 games you've watched, I'll try to watch the game clips again and search for the things that you've mentioned.

[fredericklove]

Anybody watching this game tonight?

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Anybody watching this game tonight?

You is, right?

[DUNPHY]

So... we're getting the tape-delayed 9:30 version?

[fredericklove]

Anybody watching this game tonight?

You is, right?

Yeah, I'll watch the craptors first half then watch the game at 8.

[DUNPHY]

Wheres this game on at 8? Streams?

[LoveMyRaps]

Anyone else watching the game??? Amazing start by KU!!!
Wiggins looking good so far! Chemistry starting to show between these guys!!

[Scase]

I take it ballstreams isn't streaming this game?

[fredericklove]

Wiggins showing aggressive crashing on the glass

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[fredericklove]

Will catch 2nd half, that's when wiggins wakes up.

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[LoveMyRaps]

Wiggins playing very well! This could potentially be a huge game for him!

[LoveMyRaps]

WIGGGGINSSSSSS

[5DOM]

Too easy. But man Embiid looks good