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Post#601 » by hands11 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:50 pm

Kanyewest wrote:I think the injury is what is. A injury where rest could be the solution. Hopefully it isn't a lingering or career threatening injury.


Yeah. Falls into the crap happens category. Same deal with Singleton.

Look what happen to Wall and how everyone here worried so much. They said he would return and get injured again. That he would need surgery. Why was it taking so long ? Well a ton of poster here were wrong and worried to much.

They rested Wall. They were cautious. He got healthy. He returned and he stayed on the floor.

This version of how the medical staff works is clearly on the side of giving players extra time to recover so that once they return, the same injury doesn't take them right back out again. And that's the smart thing to do. If the player needs 6 weeks, give them 8-10. Don't let injuries pill up and become chronic.

Hell, look at what happen to Rose. Even though they rested him properly, he still got injured again. Tough breaks are going to happen. But it wasn't because they didn't do their do diligence. All you can do is minimize the chance of them happening. But Rose is exactly why I don't like giving players long max contracts. Not unless they are freaks like LeBron, Kobe, MJ or Duncan.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#602 » by hands11 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:04 pm

Otto is just getting started. Best to get his body right from the beginning. They will need to put him on a really solid program this off season so he comes into year two much better prepared physically. We know he was a little thin so they will need to build him up.

As long as they can get Trevor A back out there, there is no reason to rush Otto. Better move to me would be turning Booker, Kevin and maybe Glen into a useful asset. I would trade potential for production and fit.

I'm not in practice so I don't have the information to make a final call on this kind of thing but my gut says non of those players has it enough to get what we need in the next 30 days. Actually, I wouldn't be surprise if Singleton ends up in front of all of them as a more reliable utility bench player. Kevin and Glen should have some value based on skills and upside and Booker should have some based on toughness and rebounding. They should be able to get something for them.

They should let Otto rest as long he needs to, then add two weeks.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#603 » by Mickstix » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:27 pm

I think they've blown so many other diagnosis there just afraid to say anything since chances are it'll be wrong.. Out side of diagnosing a sprained ankle, the Wiz medical staff is pretty bugs bunny esque..
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Post#605 » by dangermouse » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:47 am

hands11 wrote:They should let Otto rest as long he needs to, then add two weeks.


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Post#606 » by deneem4 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:09 am

Otto is eating peanutbuyter cookies and mcdonalds every hr...coachin realized he was too thin and are fatting him up...so when he comes back to woring out he'll shape all tht ssht up
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Post#607 » by Ruzious » Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:32 am

Mickstix wrote:I think they've blown so many other diagnosis there just afraid to say anything since chances are it'll be wrong.. Out side of diagnosing a sprained ankle, the Wiz medical staff is pretty bugs bunny esque..

I think at this point, we have to question the diagnosis. Hip flexors are pretty common, and I've never heard of someone being out this long because of one. It's 3 months since he got the injury. From what I've read, recovery time is usually about a week - with severe cases sometimes lasting up to 2 months. He's still not even practicing - according to Wittman.
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Post#608 » by verbal8 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:24 pm

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Mickstix wrote:I think they've blown so many other diagnosis there just afraid to say anything since chances are it'll be wrong.. Out side of diagnosing a sprained ankle, the Wiz medical staff is pretty bugs bunny esque..

I think at this point, we have to question the diagnosis. Hip flexors are pretty common, and I've never heard of someone being out this long because of one. It's 3 months since he got the injury. From what I've read, recovery time is usually about a week - with severe cases sometimes lasting up to 2 months. He's still not even practicing - according to Wittman.


The quote where Whittman said he thought Singleton was further along is a bit troubling.
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Post#609 » by hands11 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:30 pm

Hip Flexor + Pulled Hammy = double whammy

If they are considering trading Trevor A at the trade deadline, then you better be damn sure Otto is 100% when he comes back.

I don't think its anything more then that. Right now its more important they have Trevor A back and that they are winning games.
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Post#610 » by wizardry » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:59 pm

Call it like it is. Porter isnt ready and its not the injury.
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Post#611 » by stevemcqueen1 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:04 pm

Says that he's doing individual stuff now. I guess that means working out and shooting?

If he's actually doing stuff now, I bet it won't be too much longer before he gets cleared. When he'll plays is the next question. He's so far behind, and the team won't fall apart without him, I think they should bring him along slowly with the goal that his role will continuously expand throughout the season.

Unless of course he shows he deserves a bigger role early on.

This has really been a brutal start for most of the rookie class. Three top six picks haven't even played yet. The #1 pick took four games to make his first shot and amassed a PER of like 2 before promptly getting injured. That's the worst start for a #1 pick I can remember. The #2 pick looks like a gem in comparison, even though his performances haven't been particularly good.

The only rookie who has actually been good is Michael Carter Williams. So I'd rather we take our time with Porter and keep him comfortable than for him to have the kind of start all of the other kids had.

What an awful draft so far.
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Post#612 » by hands11 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:26 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Says that he's doing individual stuff now. I guess that means working out and shooting?

If he's actually doing stuff now, I bet it won't be too much longer before he gets cleared. When he'll plays is the next question. He's so far behind, and the team won't fall apart without him, I think they should bring him along slowly with the goal that his role will continuously expand throughout the season.

Unless of course he shows he deserves a bigger role early on.

This has really been a brutal start for most of the rookie class. Three top six picks haven't even played yet. The #1 pick took four games to make his first shot and amassed a PER of like 2 before promptly getting injured. That's the worst start for a #1 pick I can remember. The #2 pick looks like a gem in comparison, even though his performances haven't been particularly good.

The only rookie who has actually been good is Michael Carter Williams. So I'd rather we take our time with Porter and keep him comfortable than for him to have the kind of start all of the other kids had.

What an awful draft so far.


Trey Burke just returned.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2579260/trey-burke

Lets see what he looks like after 15 games. He got his first start last game and it looks like he is on a 20 min limit.

First 3 games were on the road against good teams and the next 10 don't look like a cake walk, but he will get religion by being out there and learning. The next few games against Chicago and Phx will be as easy as it get for him in the near term. Then a couple games against SAC down the road.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#613 » by Rafael122 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:30 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Mickstix wrote:I think they've blown so many other diagnosis there just afraid to say anything since chances are it'll be wrong.. Out side of diagnosing a sprained ankle, the Wiz medical staff is pretty bugs bunny esque..

I think at this point, we have to question the diagnosis. Hip flexors are pretty common, and I've never heard of someone being out this long because of one. It's 3 months since he got the injury. From what I've read, recovery time is usually about a week - with severe cases sometimes lasting up to 2 months. He's still not even practicing - according to Wittman.


He probably would have been back by now if he didn't pull his hamstring, probably from overexerting himself from the bad hip.

The team definitely needs him, bring Ariza back, and you can at least put those two on the floor and have some offense.
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Post#614 » by Ruzious » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:15 pm

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Ruzious wrote:
Mickstix wrote:I think they've blown so many other diagnosis there just afraid to say anything since chances are it'll be wrong.. Out side of diagnosing a sprained ankle, the Wiz medical staff is pretty bugs bunny esque..

I think at this point, we have to question the diagnosis. Hip flexors are pretty common, and I've never heard of someone being out this long because of one. It's 3 months since he got the injury. From what I've read, recovery time is usually about a week - with severe cases sometimes lasting up to 2 months. He's still not even practicing - according to Wittman.


He probably would have been back by now if he didn't pull his hamstring, probably from overexerting himself from the bad hip.

The team definitely needs him, bring Ariza back, and you can at least put those two on the floor and have some offense.

I hadn't heard that he pulled a hammy. Did anyone from the Wizards announce that?
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Post#615 » by Rafael122 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:18 pm

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Ruzious wrote:I think at this point, we have to question the diagnosis. Hip flexors are pretty common, and I've never heard of someone being out this long because of one. It's 3 months since he got the injury. From what I've read, recovery time is usually about a week - with severe cases sometimes lasting up to 2 months. He's still not even practicing - according to Wittman.


He probably would have been back by now if he didn't pull his hamstring, probably from overexerting himself from the bad hip.

The team definitely needs him, bring Ariza back, and you can at least put those two on the floor and have some offense.

I hadn't heard that he pulled a hammy. Did anyone from the Wizards announce that?


The hamstring injury dates back to the Summer League, the hip I believe he hurt by slipping on water (yes) and it's all on one side, hence the delay in return.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#616 » by queridiculo » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:19 pm

To this day, the team hasn't said a damn thing about Porters injury, other that he's injured and hasn't practiced.
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Post#617 » by deneem4 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:41 pm

He practiced today!
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Post#618 » by deneem4 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:41 pm

Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
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Post#619 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:52 pm

Now we know, only 2-3 more weeks!
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Post#620 » by Ruzious » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:51 pm

deneem4 wrote:http://instagram.com/p/hJXLJ8hIKu/

That's not practicing; that's taking a jump shot. 80 year old Aunt Mollie from Des Moines can do that.

Though she's probably not inclined to. Too cold to walk to the gym or shoot hoops outside.
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