Time to be honest about Iman Shumpert

[Johnny Hoops]

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OH BOY --- Iman lovers running for door.

[GONYK]

so the contentious environment of a nonresponding losing team would not directly influence a young player?

You're assuming the only difference between a winning environment and a losing environment is Woodson.

You're also assuming that Shump's entire reason for being in the NBA, defense, should be affected by anything else but his lack of effort.

the identity of the team is set by the coach... watching a game its clear we do not have an identity... ala Woodson... clear we have no discipline as well.. yes sports are a great deal psychological when you startsecond guessing yourself their is hesitation..

There is no hesitation on defense. That is strictly effort and recognition. Shump has always had subpar recognition, but now his effort is also flailing and he's complaining about shots.

Perhaps Woody has lost the team, but you are completely absolving Shump, and that is not right either.

[knickabocker88]

I'm not seeing what one has to do with the other

so the contentious environment of a nonresponding losing team would not directly influence a young player?

You're assuming the only difference between a winning environment and a losing environment is Woodson.

You're also assuming that Shump's entire reason for being in the NBA, defense, should be affected by anything else but his lack of effort.

Woodson has a double standard, if Woody turns a blind eye for every late rotation JR makes, every dumb shot he take, every awful pass he makes yet Yanks Shumpert for 1 bad play it would effect him.

Shumpert out there playing scared afraid to make mistakes.

As for Shumpert's defense and energy, if you don't touch the ball guess what it's gonna have a neg effect on the other end as well.

@HerringWSJ @a4ltito PG had 17 points on 5/16 shooting in 34 mins Shumpert was on the floor. Scored 18 on 7/10 in the 15 Shumpert was out.

@HerringWSJ @JADubin5 Hibbert said afterwards that they saw that matchup and immediately/repeatedly targeted Smith and Bargs in PnR.

Jimmy Buttler could be a Knick ... and you guys would want to run him outta town too.

[Workforce250]

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Not really..dude he only took 3 shots. So that's his fault too?

[Riot Randolph]

You're assuming the only difference between a winning environment and a losing environment is Woodson.

You're also assuming that Shump's entire reason for being in the NBA, defense, should be affected by anything else but his lack of effort.

the identity of the team is set by the coach... watching a game its clear we do not have an identity... ala Woodson... clear we have no discipline as well.. yes sports are a great deal psychological when you startsecond guessing yourself their is hesitation..

There is no hesitation on defense. That is strictly effort and recognition. Shump has always had subpar recognition, but now his effort is also flailing and he's complaining about shots.

Perhaps Woody has lost the team, but you are completely absolving Shump, and that is not right either.

i think you are discounting the the psychological aspect of the game...and the feeling of not messing up..(self prepetuating thought process)....he also clearly knows Woodson prefers JR as well...

[GONYK]

so the contentious environment of a nonresponding losing team would not directly influence a young player?

You're assuming the only difference between a winning environment and a losing environment is Woodson.

You're also assuming that Shump's entire reason for being in the NBA, defense, should be affected by anything else but his lack of effort.

Woodson has a double standard, if Woody turns a blind eye for every late rotation JR makes, every dumb shot he take, every awful pass he makes yet Yanks Shumpert for 1 bad play it would effect him.

Shumpert out there playing scared afraid to make mistakes.

As for Shumpert's defense and energy, if you don't touch the ball guess what it's gonna have a neg effect on the other end as well.

@HerringWSJ @a4ltito PG had 17 points on 5/16 shooting in 34 mins Shumpert was on the floor. Scored 18 on 7/10 in the 15 Shumpert was out.

@HerringWSJ @JADubin5 Hibbert said afterwards that they saw that matchup and immediately/repeatedly targeted Smith and Bargs in PnR.

Jimmy Buttler could be a Knick ... and you guys would want to run him outta town too.

That is Shumpert's problem and no one else's. He is in the game to play defense. Everything else he gets is gravy.

[MaseInYourFace]

Honestly his d has not been as good but it's still probably the best on the team. I know that's not saying much but man to man he's still probably our best defender.

[Johnny Hoops]

He's a below average 2 guard and a decent rotation player at best. He has shown little to no improvement since his rookie year and has regressed as a shooter. His ball-handling is terrible and defensively has been as bad as everyone on this team. Going 0'fer on the stat sheet in 20 plus minutes of play is inexcusable for a NBA player, never mind a starter. Trade rumors don't create terrible play on that level.

Fact is he was overhyped by most Knick fans for a) having a cool haircut b) having a cool personality c) being athletic. He showed some flashes in his rookie year but its clear he won't show much more than that. Definitely not untradeable as one of our few viable assets.

I know its not a excuse but how would you feel wen ur coach is constantly on ur ass for the smallest things but lets guys like Jr smith chuck away.... not to mentioned he hears he will be traded every single second last couple of weeks.... The guy has lost his swagger and confidence no thanks to the coach and owner

It's really thanks to his inability to handle the ball and his regression on defense.

Let me add -- that outside of knocking down some catch and shoot 3-pointers --- this kid has virtually no-other offensive game. You may get the occasional -- over dribble between the legs and knock down a bad 18 footer but other than that he has NO GAME. He can barely get to the rim without tripping himself, he can't play with his back to the basket, he has no-floater - there is NO craftyness to his game. The play last night where hedribbled into 2 defenders and slung the ball over the baseline was Iman's game to a tee.

[god shammgod]

so the contentious environment of a nonresponding losing team would not directly influence a young player?

You're assuming the only difference between a winning environment and a losing environment is Woodson.

You're also assuming that Shump's entire reason for being in the NBA, defense, should be affected by anything else but his lack of effort.

Woodson has a double standard, if Woody turns a blind eye for every late rotation JR makes, every dumb shot he take, every awful pass he makes yet Yanks Shumpert for 1 bad play it would effect him.

Shumpert out there playing scared afraid to make mistakes.

As for Shumpert's defense and energy, if you don't touch the ball guess what it's gonna have a neg effect on the other end as well.

@HerringWSJ @a4ltito PG had 17 points on 5/16 shooting in 34 mins Shumpert was on the floor. Scored 18 on 7/10 in the 15 Shumpert was out.

@HerringWSJ @JADubin5 Hibbert said afterwards that they saw that matchup and immediately/repeatedly targeted Smith and Bargs in PnR.

Jimmy Buttler could be a Knick ... and you guys would want to run him outta town too.

everyone gave effort in that game. that was the best game of the year and we didn't even win.

[seren]

Shump is very low on the list of our problems. If we can trade him for a competent starting quality PG, by all means let's do it. Otherwise, STFU.

[Riot Randolph]

Shump is very low on the list of our problems. If we can trade him for a competent starting quality PG, by all means let's do it. Otherwise, STFU.

this... & GTFO

[waya]

His trade value was never that high and its just getting lower and lower. Might as well just keep him.

[GONYK]

Honestly his d has not been as good but it's still probably the best on the team. I know that's not saying much but man to man he's still probably our best defender.

He is our best individual defender. He still struggles with rotations and defending as part of a team concept.

[MaseInYourFace]

I know its not a excuse but how would you feel wen ur coach is constantly on ur ass for the smallest things but lets guys like Jr smith chuck away.... not to mentioned he hears he will be traded every single second last couple of weeks.... The guy has lost his swagger and confidence no thanks to the coach and owner

It's really thanks to his inability to handle the ball and his regression on defense.

Let me add -- that outside of knocking down some catch and shoot 3-pointers --- this kid has virtually no-other offensive game. You may get the occasional -- over dribble between the legs and knock down a bad 18 footer but other than that he has NO GAME. He can barely get to the rim without tripping himself, he can't play with his back to the basket, he has no-floater - there is NO craftyness to his game. The play last night where hedribbled into 2 defenders and slung the ball over the baseline was Iman's game to a tee.

Yeah he's like a completely different player on the offensive end. He's very natural on D but on offense he is very mechanical and awkward. I was hoping this season we would see a development in his offensive game, some kind of progress where you could see he developed some kind of go-between game to compliment his outside shooting but nope it's just not there. He's not even good at finishing at break which is a shame considering how athletic he is.

[MaseInYourFace]

Honestly his d has not been as good but it's still probably the best on the team. I know that's not saying much but man to man he's still probably our best defender.

He is our best individual defender. He still struggles with rotations and defending as part of a team concept.

Agreed but to be fair he's young and I have my doubts Woodson is coaching these guys up...

[Johnny Hoops]

hes clearly stressing...this is not a clear reflection of his skills... Woodson must go

I'm not seeing what one has to do with the other

Woodson was coaching Shump last season when everyone started going ga-ga over Shump's potential coming into this season. Same coach - different player.

Biggest mistake may have been trying to convince him he was a scorer and that he needed to take a big-step forward in that department. Best advice would have been to tell him to be the best defender in the league and take whatever came on offense.

[thisiskoz]

god the double standards around here are ridiculous... apparently when some guys dont perform they are just fat and/or they suck... while others who aren't performing can have every excuse in the world made for them... im sorry... but if shump is so mentally weak that woodsons treatment of other players bothers him... then there is no hope for him to ever be the player some of these posters expect him to be...

that said... he is far from the only problem on this team... but his play has been extremely troubling this season... he has no true position... and cant be relied on on either end of the court... i hope we dont look to move him just to move him... but he best be on the block...

[MaseInYourFace]

hes clearly stressing...this is not a clear reflection of his skills... Woodson must go

I'm not seeing what one has to do with the other

Woodson was coaching Shump last season when everyone started going ga-ga over Shump's potential coming into this season. Same coach - different player.

Biggest mistake may have been trying to convince him he was a scorer and that he needed to take a big-step forward in that department. Best advice would have been to tell him to be the best defender in the league and take whatever came on offense.

It's not like he forces bad shots up either. He takes good shots for most part. He might be gambling more on D than he should though because he knows he lacks the ability to create good shots for himself in the halfcourt.

[Workforce250]

Honestly his d has not been as good but it's still probably the best on the team. I know that's not saying much but man to man he's still probably our best defender.

He is our best individual defender. He still struggles with rotations and defending as part of a team concept.

True, but the others just don't rotate correctly leaving him getting picked and knocked around. The others don't play the PnR well at all. But he is our best at guarding the perimeter.. Oh boy, can you see this team playing defense without him....120 points per game.

[thisiskoz]

Honestly his d has not been as good but it's still probably the best on the team. I know that's not saying much but man to man he's still probably our best defender.

He is our best individual defender. He still struggles with rotations and defending as part of a team concept.

a little off topic... but the problem is that we have a bunch of guys on this roster who could be passable man defenders... yet for some reason we employ this system that is predicated on having high iq rotations... its like we show off our weakness and beg the other team to take advantage of it... makes no sense to me...