OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread

[Ragnar0k]

I think if we're going to sum up Wiggins with one word, it's gotta be: timid.

Could be from feeling himself out early on in the season, but there's definitely some shyness/timidity from asserting himself.

I think he's following the coaches game plans and let's the game come to him. As the season progresses, his numbers will go up.


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Yeah I kind of get that feeling too to some degree because when you see the guards bring the ball up the court and looking to set up the offense, they're rarely looking for wiggins, meaning there aren't many play calls for him.

It's possible Coach Self is doing this for some reason, but yeah I agree that he'll likely improve as the season goes on.

He's still looking a bit timid though. Hopefully he'll get over it soon.

[lander]

Why can Wiggins get better, but Parker can't? Parker is younger than Wiggins.

Parker is pretty clearly the more polished scorer of the two, but he's got less athleticism/tools to work with, which makes his ceiling a little lower. At least that's my take..

He's closer to being a "known quantity" in terms of - you know what you're going to get from him, whereas you see that Wiggins has a lot of room to grow.

Polished guys are able to still get better. They don't need weaknesses in order to. That's the biggest misconception, that you somehow have to be flawed or lacking to have a high ceiling. Harden is an example of a guy everyone thought was a finished product. Parker is even a better talent IMO. The point there is always room for growth no matter how good you are. LeBron is a great example. There's no doubt he was an excellent player from the beginning, do you doubt that he's much better now?

[Hero]

With each game that passes more and more I'm convinced Parker is the better choice.

You're unpatriotic.

[lander]

It's clear Self has tried to motivate Wiggins calling him out publicly for not being hungry enough etc. So it's not because he wants him to play within the system that he's stepping back. Wiggins reminds me more Vince less LeBron. Physical talent but no heart.

[Chaos Engine]

Is there any way JVal could play the 4? If we get a lottery pick outside the top two, can you really pass on Embiid? He could anchor your defense for the next 10 years, while still having good offensive potential.

[Randle McMurphy]

It's clear Self has tried to motivate Wiggins calling him out publicly for not being hungry enough etc. So it's not because he wants him to play within the system that he's stepping back. Wiggins reminds me more Vince less LeBron. Physical talent but no heart.

It's rather ridiculous to be drawing conclusions like this about a player 6 games into his college career. But it should be said that if Wiggins becomes anywhere near as good as Vince Carter, he'll have been a huge success as a player.

[Randle McMurphy]

Is there any way JVal could play the 4? If we get a lottery pick outside the top two, can you really pass on Embiid? He could anchor your defense for the next 10 years, while still having good offensive potential.

I'd say no and no to those questions.

[lander]

It's clear Self has tried to motivate Wiggins calling him out publicly for not being hungry enough etc. So it's not because he wants him to play within the system that he's stepping back. Wiggins reminds me more Vince less LeBron. Physical talent but no heart.

It's rather ridiculous to be drawing conclusions like this about a player 6 games into his college career. But it should be said that if Wiggins becomes anywhere near as good as Vince Carter, he'll have been a huge success as a player.

I didn't mean he would be as good. I was making the comparison based on his lack of intensity. Carter is still great but the guy is someone a lot people believe could have been more than he is if he had heart. He could have been up there with Kobe and LeBron he was that talented instead he never fully fulfilled his promise.

[lander]

Is there any way JVal could play the 4? If we get a lottery pick outside the top two, can you really pass on Embiid? He could anchor your defense for the next 10 years, while still having good offensive potential.

I think so. I've doubted for a while how suitable JV is for the centre position. A lot people don't agree though.

[Kabatnaz]

Is there any way JVal could play the 4? If we get a lottery pick outside the top two, can you really pass on Embiid? He could anchor your defense for the next 10 years, while still having good offensive potential.

He's too slow and too big to play the 4.


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[SharoneWright]

(I'd still take Val, but…)

Anyone else remember how heartily BC chortled when the Cavs chose TT?

[SkywalkerAC]

Is there any way JVal could play the 4? If we get a lottery pick outside the top two, can you really pass on Embiid? He could anchor your defense for the next 10 years, while still having good offensive potential.

He's too slow and too big to play the 4.


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Duncan is bigger and slower and can still play the 4.

[Kabatnaz]

Is there any way JVal could play the 4? If we get a lottery pick outside the top two, can you really pass on Embiid? He could anchor your defense for the next 10 years, while still having good offensive potential.

He's too slow and too big to play the 4.


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Duncan is bigger and slower and can still play the 4.

Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward of all time.

JV isn't Tim Duncan.


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[Ragnar0k]

Why can Wiggins get better, but Parker can't? Parker is younger than Wiggins.

Parker is pretty clearly the more polished scorer of the two, but he's got less athleticism/tools to work with, which makes his ceiling a little lower. At least that's my take..

He's closer to being a "known quantity" in terms of - you know what you're going to get from him, whereas you see that Wiggins has a lot of room to grow.

Polished guys are able to still get better. They don't need weaknesses in order to. That's the biggest misconception, that you somehow have to be flawed or lacking to have a high ceiling. Harden is an example of a guy everyone thought was a finished product. Parker is even a better talent IMO. The point there is always room for growth no matter how good you are. LeBron is a great example. There's no doubt he was an excellent player from the beginning, do you doubt that he's much better now?

I actually don't think lebron has "grown" a lot in the league - of course he's great, he came into the league NBA ready. He was already at the point of just having to fine tune his game and become acclimated to the league.

What ends up haunting people though is seeing players like Wiggins and drooling at his "potential". Depends on what makes him tick psychologically though. It remains to be seen if he really is just shy (remember - jordan was a shy young guy too, but if you check out his interviews, you could tell by his responses that he had all sorts of wheels rolling in his head. I'm not so sure wiggins has that) - or if he's just finding himself and needing time to adjust.

When I've seen Wiggins speak I get the feeling he always wants a nap. lol

Yes, this is my version of the caliper test.

[Mister Ze]

I'd say Wiggins worst case is a rich-mans Harrison Barnes

[Chaos Engine]

He's too slow and too big to play the 4.


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Duncan is bigger and slower and can still play the 4.

Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward of all time.

JV isn't Tim Duncan.


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Tim Duncan has played center more than he's played PF.

[lander]

Parker is pretty clearly the more polished scorer of the two, but he's got less athleticism/tools to work with, which makes his ceiling a little lower. At least that's my take..

He's closer to being a "known quantity" in terms of - you know what you're going to get from him, whereas you see that Wiggins has a lot of room to grow.

Polished guys are able to still get better. They don't need weaknesses in order to. That's the biggest misconception, that you somehow have to be flawed or lacking to have a high ceiling. Harden is an example of a guy everyone thought was a finished product. Parker is even a better talent IMO. The point there is always room for growth no matter how good you are. LeBron is a great example. There's no doubt he was an excellent player from the beginning, do you doubt that he's much better now?

I actually don't think lebron has "grown" a lot in the league - of course he's great, he came into the league NBA ready. He was already at the point of just having to fine tune his game and become acclimated to the league.

What ends up haunting people though is seeing players like Wiggins and drooling at his "potential". Depends on what makes him tick psychologically though. It remains to be seen if he really is just shy (remember - jordan was a shy young guy too, but if you check out his interviews, you could tell by his responses that he had all sorts of wheels rolling in his head. I'm not so sure wiggins has that) - or if he's just finding himself and needing time to adjust.

When I've seen Wiggins speak I get the feeling he always wants a nap. lol

Yes, this is my version of the caliper test.

Well obviously LeBron was always a special player, but he didn't really have a great jump shot and no post game. I remember he used get ragged on for his D too. He's obviously light years ahead on all those fronts now though. You could always see it was there though. For me Wiggins has the physical tools, but not much skill which scares me, especially when you couple that with the lack of fire. I hope he proves me wrong though because it's not his fault that there are so many overrating him.

[Dr Positivity]

Embiid may be nearing catbird seat for going #1

Randle's height may prevent him from going 1st
Parker's athleticism may prevent him from going 1st
Wiggins not dominating like the above two players and getting the 'non-assertive' label may prevent him from going 1st

On the other hand the draft has been historically been very kind to tall centers

[Yosemite Dan]

It seems like Wiggins is getting the Bargnani treatment here already. He has been mostly invisible considering the hype and does a couple of good things for a few minutes in a game and is lauded for it when that should be the norm, not the exception. I've only seen him in 2 games but I am not impressed, the talent is there but he just looks like he will have motivational issues and I hate to bring Bargs up again but he reminds me of Bargnani with his demeanor on the court. He seems lazy and has that bored look on his face that he would rather be somewhere else. And people say that he will mature but i can't think of any players who had motivational problems that didn't have that throughout thier career.

I just feel with the amount of press this guy got, he would be jumping at the chance to show everyone what he can do right from the first game. If the pressure is too great for him now or his college debut isn't enough to kickstart his engine, imagine when he gets to the pros. I can't see him going #1 if he keeps this up. I could see him even falling a few spots like Rudy Gay did in the draft.

[raps_baller]

Besides his athleticism, I really don't see all the hype for Wiggins. His handle is poor, his shot is poor, his confidence looks low and he seems to not know what to do with the ball. Also, I find his athleticism over rated. Everyone says he is a CRAZY athlete but he is no more athletic than DeMar (who I believe had a more polished game in college. I'd take Jabari over wiggins for sure.

Athleticism is SO overrated anyway if you don't have skills. Gerald Green, Jeremy Evans, Derrick Williams, Stromile, T Ross, etc.