Otto Porter

dlts20 · Post #681 » by **dlts20** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 4:19 am

Induveca wrote:I personally think Porter better impress everyone quickly, because 12-14 weeks sitting with a hip pointer is far more time than it took me to overcome a complete tendon rip/surgery (with screws)/and compete / return to lifting extremely heavy weights, swimming, playing golf and basketball at 35+ years old.

IDK about that. I think he will be judged harshly but it will be unfair. Im actually not counting on him much. Anything he gives is icing on the cake. For a rookie to miss that much time and be totally out of shape on top of it while only being able to get sparringly bench minutes, it could be really hard for him to play well. He will be way behind on game speed & timing. Could be a lost season for him or atleast until late. Ill be estatic if he's better then that but if he's not then I wont rip him. Whats worst though is that Ariza & Web are soooo good that everyone will question the draft pick.

As for the injury, I think they were just going to be super cautious. You dont want to play around with a hip injury. Come back to soon and it can linger for a long time. I think he probably couldve came back a couple of weeks ago but they are just being cautious

stevemcqueen1 · Post #682 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 7:31 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I'd be interested in his combine comparisons with Ariza as well as Prince.

Ariza measured a bit shorter, 3 pounds heavier. 8 bench reps. 32" max vert. 11.63 lane agility. 3.29 3/4 sprint. 7'2 wingspan is a bit longer than Porter's.

Can't find Tayshaun Prince's measurements.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #683 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 7:41 am

nuposse04 wrote:There is a difference between combine numbers and in game numbers...You can train for the combine and inflate your numbers. I'm sure if Porter got a running start he could jump above average for an nba athlete...but I don't think he's an explosive in game dunker. He's got elite instincts defensively so he makes up for his lack of explosion because of that. I don't think Porter is a bad athlete...I just don't think he's in the realm of a hyper athlete like George.

Porter got it done in the games. This line of reasoning doesn't bear out because of that. He routinely beat guys who were supposed to be more athletic than him. If anything, Porter's quality athleticism should be reinforced by his in game performance, not diminished. He had a terrific college career.

Porter ran the floor and finished well in traffic and he blocked shots, rebounded, and got steals. Among the best in the class at doing every one of those things. If he wasn't actually a good athlete, how did he do this?

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #684 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 2:54 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I'd be interested in his combine comparisons with Ariza as well as Prince.

Ariza measured a bit shorter, 3 pounds heavier. 8 bench reps. 32" max vert. 11.63 lane agility. 3.29 3/4 sprint. 7'2 wingspan is a bit longer than Porter's.

Can't find Tayshaun Prince's measurements.

Thanks! That's a good comparison.

rl25g · Post #685 » by **rl25g** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 4:09 pm

any bets on Porters debut?

we play Monday, Friday, Monday, Friday @ ATl w the first three games being at home

im guessing this Friday at home

mg · Post #686 » by mg » Sun Dec 1, 2013 6:52 pm

Knowing what we know now I wonder if they just would've picked Noel if given the chance again. Naw, Ernie still wouldn't have that type of patience...

You guys are just more optimistic about Otto than I am.

I do want him to get out on the court. Wouldn't mind him showing something and maybe Ernie could deal him for a young big like Monroe or T. Thompson. I just see that as a bigger long term need for this team.

omegatronic3 · Post #687 » by **omegatronic3** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 6:36 am

nuposse04 wrote:There is a difference between combine numbers and in game numbers...You can train for the combine and inflate your numbers. I'm sure if Porter got a running start he could jump above average for an nba athlete...but I don't think he's an explosive in game dunker. He's got elite instincts defensively so he makes up for his lack of explosion because of that. I don't think Porter is a bad athlete...I just don't think he's in the realm of a hyper athlete like George.

good point, the combine numbers dont really show how explosive a player is in a game. I dont think porter is the kind of player whose gonna blow by people and throw down in traffic. He seems to often finish with a layup rather than dunk. I do think he is a prototype 3 who can help us on D and if he shoots consistently

Dat2U · Post #688 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 2:16 pm

mg wrote:Knowing what we know now I wonder if they just would've picked Noel if given the chance again. Naw, Ernie still wouldn't have that type of patience...

You guys are just more optimistic about Otto than I am.

I do want him to get out on the court. Wouldn't mind him showing something and maybe Ernie could deal him for a young big like Monroe or T. Thompson. I just see that as a bigger long term need for this team.

I wouldn't put Thompson in the same boat as Monroe. I think there's a pretty big difference b/w the two. Thompson is comparatively below average to his starting peers around the league. Monroe is above average. I wouldn't trade Porter for Thompson.

Post #689 » by **nate33** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 3:29 pm

Dat2U wrote:I wouldn't trade Porter for Thompson.

Particularly when you account for contract length. Thompson is already into the 3rd year of his rookie deal.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #690 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 3:45 pm

Victor Oladipo has an ORtg of 88 so far?

How in the world has he managed that?

This draft class looks truly awful so far. Isn't it odd that Philly and Phoenix are about the only ones that came out of this draft looking like winners? Who saw that coming?

Phoenix trading for Bledsoe was terrific and Philly drafted seemingly the only good player in the entire class. Both also picked high upside centers in the top six who've sat out with injury, so they haven't had a chance to show their ass yet like everyone else. I'm almost afraid to see Porter play now. His class has set the bar very very low.

Post #691 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 3:54 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Victor Oladipo has an ORtg of 88 so far? How in the world has he managed that?

This draft class looks truly awful so far. Isn't it odd that Philly and Phoenix are about the only ones that came out of this draft looking like winners? Who saw that coming?

Phoenix trading for Bledsoe was terrific and Philly drafted seemingly the only good player in the entire class. Both also picked high upside centers in the top six who've sat out with injury, so they haven't had a chance to show their ass yet like everyone else. I'm almost afraid to see Porter play now. His class has set the bar very very low.

Betting the execs in Phoenix would want them to start losing soon. I don't think anyone foresaw how bad the East would be. Phoenix was one of those teams you had pegged as a surefire top half lottery pick. As of now, they are right around that 13th-14th pick, possible 17th-18th pick as they are ranked 9th in the West. It's a terrible spot to be in, good enough to not be w/in the top 4-5, but not good enough to make the playoffs.

pancakes3 · Post #692 » by **pancakes3** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 3:57 pm

It'd be a double-coup for Philly once Noel suits up. The way the Atlantic looks right now, Philly looks to rule that division for the foreseeable future.

Dat2U · Post #693 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 5:21 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Victor Oladipo has an ORtg of 88 so far? How in the world has he managed that?

This draft class looks truly awful so far. Isn't it odd that Philly and Phoenix are about the only ones that came out of this draft looking like winners? Who saw that coming?

Phoenix trading for Bledsoe was terrific and Philly drafted seemingly the only good player in the entire class. Both also picked high upside centers in the top six who've sat out with injury, so they haven't had a chance to show their ass yet like everyone else. I'm almost afraid to see Porter play now. His class has set the bar very very low.

I wanted Bledsoe for Nene for the last two years. Nene would have been great as a 3rd big who can actually defend behind Griffin & Jordan.

Oladipo isn't as bad as his ORTg. Once they realize he's not a PG, he'll be much better for it. He's shown to me to be more dynamic on the ball than I believed, in time... at the right position... he'll be very good.

verbal8 · Post #694 » by **verbal8** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 5:24 pm

pancakes3 wrote:It'd be a double-coup for Philly once Noel suits up. The way the Atlantic looks right now, Philly looks to rule that division for the foreseeable future.

The Celtics don't currently have much talent. However they seem to be focused on rebuilding and have an extra 1st in the next 3 drafts. The Nets and Knicks seem to be stuck not being very good now and not having many options to improve.

Nivek · Post #695 » by **Nivek** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 5:26 pm

It's astounding to me that Orlando is trying Oladipo at PG. He was an outstanding SG prospect. Put him at SG. Enjoy.

verbal8 · Post #696 » by **verbal8** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 5:47 pm

Nivek wrote:It's astounding to me that Orlando is trying Oladipo at PG. He was an outstanding SG prospect. Put him at SG. Enjoy.

It is a very strange choice. If they wanted a big PG, they should have traded down and gotten MCW. Maybe they are trying to showcase Afflalo? Although I doubt that teams would give up much for Afflalo.

nuposse04 · Post #697 » by **nuposse04** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 5:48 pm

Nivek wrote:It's astounding to me that Orlando is trying Oladipo at PG. He was an outstanding SG prospect. Put him at SG. Enjoy.

they're taking a page out of our book when we put Porter at SG

Oladipo's shooting numbers aren't terrible for a 21 year ol rookie..but mah gawd at his per 36 turnovers :0

5 a game! His handles are nice...for a SG...they need to draft Smart in the lottery and go from there.

Post #698 » by **nate33** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 6:00 pm

verbal8 wrote:
Nivek wrote:It's astounding to me that Orlando is trying Oladipo at PG. He was an outstanding SG prospect. Put him at SG. Enjoy.

It is a very strange choice. If they wanted a big PG, they should have traded down and gotten MCW. Maybe they are trying to showcase Afflalo? Although I doubt that teams would give up much for Afflalo.

Maybe it's because Afflalo is playing so well, the only room for Oladipo is at PG.

Overall, I don't mind so much. Clearly, Oladipo isn't a PG, but I think the experience will help him be a better SG.

Post #699 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 6:21 pm

Most of Ola's minutes have been with Jameer Nelson or E Moore, so he has mostly played the 2 this season. Moore was their backup PG last season, so I assume he's playing the point when he's in there with Ola. Ola's just going through normal rookie growing pains. He'll be fine. Remember, Afflalo plays as much 3 as he does the 2.

dobrojim · Post #700 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 6:30 pm

verbal8 wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:It'd be a double-coup for Philly once Noel suits up. The way the Atlantic looks right now, Philly looks to rule that division for the foreseeable future.

The Celtics don't currently have much talent. However they seem to be focused on rebuilding and have an extra 1st in the next 3 drafts. The Nets and Knicks seem to be stuck not being very good now and not having many options to improve.

seems to me that the team that ends up ruling that division going forward
will probably be the team that gets luckiest in the lottery.
Getting bumped to 4th or 5th overall will hurt compared to getting
1-2 overall even though the 4-5 mock picks project to be solid to better than that.