Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[Nyk4lyfe]

I. thomas/Jimmer for Shump/BenO

or

Greivous/Jimmer for Shump/BenO/Coleworld and bring Tyler up from the Dleague

i'd do it although i havent given up on shump just yet!

[Juggynaut]

If we're just gonna trade Shump for crap might as well take Dion Waiters. At least he shows some promise attacking the rim.

[riter]

I. thomas/Jimmer for Shump/BenO

or

Greivous/Jimmer for Shump/BenO/Coleworld and bring Tyler up from the Dleague

i'd do it although i havent given up on shump just yet!

adding a point gaurd to this team w/o losing Shump is the best solution( BenO/Coleworld +cash for Lowry)

.. but if they trade Shump, I believe it has to be for a pick and roll Point gaurd.
Also, Jimmer has gone from over rated to undrated. He is a glue 3 point shooter that will take us from a inconsistent 3 point shooting team to a consistent one. he will pick up where Novak and Cope left off.
knicks demonstrated how much better we are when are 3's drop.

[riter]

hell, I would trade JR and Felton for Jameer Nelson. that would guarantee us a winning streak.
But Orlando would never do that b/c Nelson is the kind of consistent NBA level point gaurd veteran leader on a great contract that everyone is looking for.

[i495er]

Kings not gonna give up I. Thomas for shump. Shump is good but IT has been great this year.

[cengizoezdemir]

Bargnani for Asik straight up.

I think this will be great for Knicks and good for Rockets.

[Rasho Brezec]

JR Smith + Raymond Felton + Beno Udrih

for

Mario Chalmers + Norris Cole + Joel Anthony + James Jones + Miami's 2014 1st round pick

[Andreski84]

Bargnani for Asik straight up.

I think this will be great for Knicks and good for Rockets.

Sure, let's trade our second best player for a low IQ 5, who has demonstrated nothing throughout his career

[Andreski84]

JR Smith + Raymond Felton + Beno Udrih

for

Mario Chalmers + Norris Cole + Joel Anthony + James Jones + Miami's 2014 1st round pick

Will do it in one second!!

[Rasho Brezec]

Bargnani for Asik straight up.

I think this will be great for Knicks and good for Rockets.

Sure, let's trade our second best player for a low IQ 5, who has demonstrated nothing throughout his career

You must be confused, Rockets would be the ones trading Asik. They're never doing a Bargnani swap, though, that is just laughable.

[Andreski84]

Bargnani for Asik straight up.

I think this will be great for Knicks and good for Rockets.

Sure, let's trade our second best player for a low IQ 5, who has demonstrated nothing throughout his career

You must be confused, Rockets would be the ones trading Asik. They're never doing a Bargnani swap, though, that is just laughable.

IMO, what is laughable is even comparing Asik to Bargnani. Passing abilities, man to man defense, offensive skills. Bargs is simply superior in each category. Asik is a better rebounder. And so? As long as melo drops 10 reb per game I'm fine. What exactly someone like Asik would add to the knicks?

[GONYK]

Sure, let's trade our second best player for a low IQ 5, who has demonstrated nothing throughout his career

You must be confused, Rockets would be the ones trading Asik. They're never doing a Bargnani swap, though, that is just laughable.

IMO, what is laughable is even comparing Asik to Bargnani. Passing abilities, man to man defense, offensive skills. Bargs is simply superior in each category. Asik is a better rebounder. And so? As long as melo drops 10 feb per game I'm fine. What exactly someone like Asik would add to the knicks?

Asik is an infinitely better defender and rebounder. He would allow us to move Tyson for an upgrade too.

[SuperflyKnick]

Bargnani for Asik straight up.

I think this will be great for Knicks and good for Rockets.

Sure, let's trade our second best player for a low IQ 5, who has demonstrated nothing throughout his career

You must be confused, Rockets would be the ones trading Asik. They're never doing a Bargnani swap, though, that is just laughable.

What's so special because he is a good defender and rebounder... Guy has no offensive skills and slow mobility ...good player but nothing to get your pants wet about

[Rasho Brezec]

Sure, let's trade our second best player for a low IQ 5, who has demonstrated nothing throughout his career

You must be confused, Rockets would be the ones trading Asik. They're never doing a Bargnani swap, though, that is just laughable.

What's so special because he is a good defender and rebounder... Guy has no offensive skills and slow mobility ...good player but nothing to get your pants wet about

Everything starts with rim and pick and roll protection. It's worth more than anything Bargnani can offer.

[Andreski84]

You must be confused, Rockets would be the ones trading Asik. They're never doing a Bargnani swap, though, that is just laughable.

IMO, what is laughable is even comparing Asik to Bargnani. Passing abilities, man to man defense, offensive skills. Bargs is simply superior in each category. Asik is a better rebounder. And so? As long as melo drops 10 feb per game I'm fine. What exactly someone like Asik would add to the knicks?

Asik is an infinitely better defender and rebounder. He would allow us to move Tyson for an upgrade too.

Actually, we should reconsider his supposed abilities in light of the Knicks' defensive system. You can be a top defensive player, but as long as you are part of a team, and the team has players like melo, Jr, Felton and Amare, you are not gonna improve anything. As for the rebounds, what is wrong with melo dropping 10 feb per game? We all know that bargs is not a good rebounder and his teammates are aware of that too.
On the other hand when taking seriously the Bargs/Asik swap, have you considered that our offense would become extremely one-dimensional? Bargs is bringing a lot in terms of offense for this team and provides melo with a plausible second option

[GONYK]

IMO, what is laughable is even comparing Asik to Bargnani. Passing abilities, man to man defense, offensive skills. Bargs is simply superior in each category. Asik is a better rebounder. And so? As long as melo drops 10 feb per game I'm fine. What exactly someone like Asik would add to the knicks?

Asik is an infinitely better defender and rebounder. He would allow us to move Tyson for an upgrade too.

Actually, we should reconsider his supposed abilities in light of the Knicks' defensive system. You can be a top defensive player, but as long as you are part of a team, and the team has players like melo, Jr, Felton and Amare, you are not gonna improve anything. As for the rebounds, what is wrong with melo dropping 10 feb per game? We all know that bargs is not a good rebounder and his teammates are aware of that too.
On the other hand when taking seriously the Bargs/Asik swap, have you considered that our offense would become extremely one-dimensional? Bargs is bringing a lot in terms of offense for this team and provides melo with a plausible second option

This is completely untrue. Tyson has a very noticeable impact.

I would start Asik and trade Tyson for a PG. That shores up our offense and defense.

[Rasho Brezec]

If we could trade with Miami for Chalmers and Cole, we could even pair one of them with Tyson and try for an allstar player ...

[cengizoezdemir]

You should consider what Omer Asik has done to a very poor defensive team last year. I think he will improve the defence of Knicks vastly. Having a better defence will help knicks on transition offence which most people ignore. Also Omer Asik is a very good pick and roll player which can help Carmelo a lot. He is very physical and big, in that sense he will also improve the offence.

Another point which is ignored is that having Omer will make Tyson Chandler expandable, so Knicks can swap him for a better offensive player. I think having Omer will put this team on the top of the division.

Knicks will also save a lot of luxury tax because Omer makes 3 million less than Bargnani.

For Rockets, Bargnani's jump shooting abilities and passing game could be a good asset. It is definitely a better match than Omer.

Both players have 2 years left on their contracts so in that sense, neither party is taking a huge risk.

[Andreski84]

Asik is an infinitely better defender and rebounder. He would allow us to move Tyson for an upgrade too.

Actually, we should reconsider his supposed abilities in light of the Knicks' defensive system. You can be a top defensive player, but as long as you are part of a team, and the team has players like melo, Jr, Felton and Amare, you are not gonna improve anything. As for the rebounds, what is wrong with melo dropping 10 feb per game? We all know that bargs is not a good rebounder and his teammates are aware of that too.
On the other hand when taking seriously the Bargs/Asik swap, have you considered that our offense would become extremely one-dimensional? Bargs is bringing a lot in terms of offense for this team and provides melo with a plausible second option

This is completely untrue. Tyson has a very noticeable impact.

I would start Asik and trade Tyson for a PG. That shores up our offense and defense.

Hmmm, i disagree. Although Tyson had an impact nothing truly changed in terms of collective defensive efficiency IMO

[Andreski84]

You should consider what Omer Asik has done to a very poor defensive team last year. I think he will improve the defence of Knicks vastly. Having a better defence will help knicks on transition offence which most people ignore. Also Omer Asik is a very good pick and roll player which can help Carmelo a lot. He is very physical and big, in that sense he will also improve the offence.

Another point which is ignored is that having Omer will make Tyson Chandler expandable, so Knicks can swap him for a better offensive player. I think having Omer will put this team on the top of the division.

Knicks will also save a lot of luxury tax because Omer makes 3 million less than Bargnani.

For Rockets, Bargnani's jump shooting abilities and passing game could be a good asset. It is definitely a better match than Omer.

Both players have 2 years left on their contracts so in that sense, neither party is taking a huge risk.

You do have a point. However, instead of bargs, I'd definitely go for another player to trade. Not because Im a die-hard barges supporter, but coz, as i see it, our problem is in the 1 and 2 position rather than the front court. After all Bargs is playing well and showing his confidence also in the defensive end. I recognize to Asik, some of the nuances that you describe but I still think that in terms of IQ Bargs is definitely better. Therefore, if we are to trade for Asik, why not getting rid of people like Felton or JR?