Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

alevirfe · Post #1461 » by **alevirfe** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 9:11 pm

To: rapsanity, dagger RE: Tor/Hou/OKC trade (page 96)
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tra ... iDBty.dpuf

I agree Houston wouldn't want Lowry because of McHale, but I think they could find a buyer to help this deal happen.

For Toronto, I think that's probably as good as it gets. Keep in mind Lowry is a half-year rental.
I think Lamb is a nice piece for a rebuilding team. Swapping Amir for Perkins means we also get drastically worse. Also, getting Lamb means Derozan is now expendable as well.

Here's what your left with:

Vasquez/Byucks
Lamb/Derozan/Salmons
Ross/Fields
Patterson/Novak
JV/Perkins

This team wins >20 games, has tremendous cap flexibility to sign back any of the young starters we like, and allows us to move Derozan for a lottery pick or young player. If you still think it's lopsided, picks/cash can always be negotiated as well.

dagger · Post #1462 » by **dagger** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 10:59 pm

efrivela wrote:To: rapsanity, dagger RE: Tor/Hou/OKC trade (page 96)
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tra ... iDBty.dpuf

I agree Houston wouldn't want Lowry because of McHale, but I think they could find a buyer to help this deal happen.

For Toronto, I think that's probably as good as it gets. Keep in mind Lowry is a half-year rental.
I think Lamb is a nice piece for a rebuilding team. Swapping Amir for Perkins means we also get drastically worse. Also, getting Lamb means Derozan is now expendable as well.

Here's what your left with:

Vasquez/Byucks
Lamb/Derozan/Salmons
Ross/Fields
Patterson/Novak
JV/Perkins

This team wins >20 games, has tremendous cap flexibility to sign back any of the young starters we like, and allows us to move Derozan for a lottery pick or young player. If you still think it's lopsided, picks/cash can always be negotiated as well.

Sorry, but Ujiri isn't going to do things to "get dramatically worse" unless he gets offsets like picks. Giving away talent for nothing has never been his modus operandi. He found the one buyer for Gay that gave us something approaching current value, especially when you view Salmons contract like a $8 or 9 million trade exception that could be bartered for picks. Please try to understand this: Teams can get worse in W-L terms without being stupid about how they do it. Any moron can give away talent without compensation. Getting picks or prospects that cushion the effect of the tank and move the rebuild along faster is where real GMs leave REALGMers behind. If you wanted to take Perkins to get Lamb, you give OKC Fields, not Amir.

SpiderMunn · Post #1463 » by **SpiderMunn** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 11:07 pm

Bryan Colangelo · Post #1464 » by **Bryan Colangelo** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 11:25 pm

Lowry for Shabazz + Pick MIN
Lowry for Tony Snell + Pick CHI
Lowry for Solomon Hill + Pick IND
Lowry for Iman Shumpert NYK
Lowry for Xavier Henry + Pick LAL

Saul Goodman · Post #1465 » by **Saul Goodman** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 11:32 pm

Lowry to Washington

Vesely/Singleton/2016 1st to Toronto

cb4_jo6 · Post #1466 » by **cb4_jo6** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 11:39 pm

Ducksplatt wrote:
cb4_jo6 wrote:Raptors Trade:
Landry Fields
Kyle Lowry

Lakers Trade:
Steve Nash
2014 First Round Pick
2015 First Round Pick

You cannot trade 1st round picks in successive years. Lakers already traded their 2015 1st rounder so cannot trade the 2014:
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/ ... s/detailed

My bad, good call!

dagger · Post #1467 » by **dagger** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 11:39 pm

cb4_jo6 wrote:Raptors Trade:
Landry Fields
Kyle Lowry

Lakers Trade:
Steve Nash
2014 First Round Pick
2015 First Round Pick

Can't do that. Sorry. Can't trade firsts in consecutive years unless you have multiple firsts in one of the two years. LA does not.

In any case, the Lakers have traded their firsts in 2015 and 2017, and hence can't trade any first round pick of theirs until you're collecting your pension. Not unless they acquire another team's first round pick in 2015 or 2017.

Totem · Post #1468 » by **Totem** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 11:41 pm

Bryan Colangelo wrote:Lowry for Shabazz + Pick MIN
Lowry for Tony Snell + Pick CHILowry for Solomon Hill + Pick IND
Lowry for Iman Shumpert NYK
Lowry for Xavier Henry + Pick LAL

None of those guys have picks except for chicago. Which are reluctant to trade.

dagger · Post #1469 » by **dagger** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 11:41 pm

Bryan Colangelo wrote:Lowry for Shabazz + Pick MIN
Lowry for Tony Snell + Pick CHI
Lowry for Solomon Hill + Pick IND
Lowry for Iman Shumpert NYK
Lowry for Xavier Henry + Pick LAL

Chicago deal - too rich for Chicago and who do they send to make salaries equal?
Indiana - don't see their interest, and who is the incoming salary
NYK - Hard to see the mechanics working here, but not totally impossible
Los Angeles - Can't trade their pick.

One interested party - my assumption - is Memphis, if they found a taker for Ed Davis. Ed can't be traded back to us until Feb. 1, and Memphis needs help now. Bayless is a dreadful backup, and Memphis can play Conley and Lowry together for stretches. Unfortunately, Memphis has no picks and Quincy Poindexter is out for the year.

TheFreshPrince · Post #1470 » by **TheFreshPrince** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 11:44 pm

The best deal I've seen for Lowry on the trade board is:

Lowry to Minny

JJ Barea to Dallas

VC + Larkin to Toronto

...I'd try to squeeze Shabazz out of Minny too, or a pick from either.

Bryan Colangelo · Post #1471 » by **Bryan Colangelo** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 11:48 pm

Thank you for clarifying

I was just brainstorming.

Saul Goodman · Post #1472 » by **Saul Goodman** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:00 am

Lowry/Daye/Stone to Minnesota

Barea/Shabazz/Dieng to Toronto?

sweetcity · Post #1473 » by **sweetcity** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:28 am

TheFreshPrince wrote:The best deal I've seen for Lowry on the trade board is:

Lowry to Minny

JJ Barea to Dallas

VC + Larkin to Toronto

...I'd try to squeeze Shabazz out of Minny too, or a pick from either.

Dallas isn't giving up that for Barea.... maybe just Larkin, which I'd gladly take back for Lowry at this point

RedX · Post #1474 » by **RedX** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:21 am

Strictly for **** and giggles:

Derick Rose (Injured)

for

Demar Derozan and Kyle Lowry

— Do you do it?

rapsanity · Post #1475 » by **rapsanity** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:24 am

Saul Goodman wrote:Lowry/Daye/Stone to Minnesota

Barea/Shabazz/Dieng to Toronto?

Minnesota perspective; doesn't make sense. What's the point of losing young talent on their rookie contracts for a rental in Lowry who'll likely demand a hefty pay rise in the offseason

rapsanity · Post #1476 » by **rapsanity** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:25 am

RedX wrote:Strictly for **** and giggles:

Derick Rose (Injured)

for

Demar Derozan and Kyle Lowry

— Do you do it?

Never thought I would say this--but I wouldn't. I don't think D-Rose will ever go back to his old self unfortunately

rapsanity · Post #1477 » by **rapsanity** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:25 am

cb4_jo6 wrote:Raptors Trade:
Landry Fields
Kyle Lowry

Lakers Trade:
Steve Nash
2014 First Round Pick
2015 First Round Pick

For the 1020420320342034 time; LAL can't trade their pick

Kinger95 · Post #1478 » by **Kinger95** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:43 am

rapsanity wrote:
RedX wrote:Strictly for **** and giggles:

Derick Rose (Injured)

for

Demar Derozan and Kyle Lowry

— Do you do it?

Never thought I would say this--but I wouldn't. I don't think D-Rose will ever go back to his old self unfortunately

I do it in a heartbeat. Helps the tank imensely to solidify a top pick for this season plus he's the youngest MVP in league history and if he even gets close to old form it's worth the risk. Worst case scenario we have his salary tied up in an injured player and that will propel the turbo tank even more

rapsanity · Post #1479 » by **rapsanity** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:48 am

Kinger95 wrote:
rapsanity wrote:
RedX wrote:Strictly for **** and giggles:

Derick Rose (Injured)

for

Demar Derozan and Kyle Lowry

— Do you do it?

Never thought I would say this--but I wouldn't. I don't think D-Rose will ever go back to his old self unfortunately

I do it in a heartbeat. Helps the tank imensely to solidify a top pick for this season plus he's the youngest MVP in league history and if he even gets close to old form it's worth the risk. Worst case scenario we have his salary tied up in an injured player and that will propel the turbo tank even more

How many years do you want to tank for man?

Looks like most of the posters here want to tank for 3+ seasons. That's stupid IMO.

You want to build a winning culture. You tank this year and hope to land a top 3 pick.

Once you have that; you build around him, Demar and JV and use your capspace to land a solid PG and surround with veterans

Jstock12 · Post #1480 » by **Jstock12** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:59 am

I don't think trading an injured player is legal. Is it?