Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

[Kinger95]

Never thought I would say this--but I wouldn't. I don't think D-Rose will ever go back to his old self unfortunately

I do it in a heartbeat. Helps the tank imensely to solidify a top pick for this season plus he's the youngest MVP in league history and if he even gets close to old form it's worth the risk. Worst case scenario we have his salary tied up in an injured player and that will propel the turbo tank even more

How many years do you want to tank for man?

Looks like most of the posters here want to tank for 3+ seasons. That's stupid IMO.

You want to build a winning culture. You tank this year and hope to land a top 3 pick.

Once you have that; you build around him, Demar and JV and use your capspace to land a solid PG and surround with veterans

I want to tank for this season and Next. That's all. No more no less. We have a pile of garbage on the books that comes off after next season like fields,Hayes,Camby's 4 mill and salmons 1 mill guaranteed. We get 1 more youngster to add plus we can make a splash in FA. All you guys beg for the tank but can't stomach it for more than 1 year. If your gonna do it half arse then don't bother. This is exactly why Masai had no problem taking camby and Hayes in them deals he's on a 2 year plan. I've got faith that's that's what's happening here.

[supra2k8]

I don't think trading an injured player is legal. Is it?

They have to be able to pass physicals.

[asham27]

How many years do you want to tank for man?

Looks like most of the posters here want to tank for 3+ seasons. That's stupid IMO.

You want to build a winning culture. You tank this year and hope to land a top 3 pick.

Once you have that; you build around him, Demar and JV and use your capspace to land a solid PG and surround with veterans

Wasn't this exactly what Colangelo did? Accelerate the rebuild which left the Raptors in the mess we are currently in?

You can't put a timeline on a rebuild, you rebuild until your confident your core is good enough to compete. You start putting a timeline on things, you end up with what happened last offseason for the Raptors.

[Saul Goodman]

Maybe Masai does an insane risk.



Jonas Valanciunas

to Denver

for

2014 Knicks 1st




then

Demar to Atlanta/ Brand/Carrol/2014 BKN 1st



draft Wiggins/Embiid/Randle



a man can dream?

[rapsanity]

Maybe Masai does an insane risk.

Jonas Valanciunas

to Denver

for

2014 Knicks 1st


then

Demar to Atlanta/ Brand/Carrol/2014 BKN 1st



draft Wiggins/Embiid/Randle



a man can dream?

[polo007]

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/12/09/gr ... asai-ujiri

The skeptics will wonder “Who in their right mind would give up a draft pick in a draft year like this one?” The easy answer is a team with multiple picks, and likely one that already has a younger nucleus.

The Suns, for instance, have their own pick plus possibly as many as three others. Granted there are protections on those extra picks and they might not be transferred this year, but they might.

The Bobcats could have as many as two in addition to their own while the Celtics, Hawks, Bulls, Nuggets, Thunder, Magic, and Jazz could all have at least another pick in addition to its own, again, depending on protections.

The point is there are teams out there with multiple picks that may see it favourable to part with one for a player that can help them right now and maybe a later pick in the draft.

And that’s where we see you coming in, Masai.

We’ve heard everything from everyone on the team is available, to everyone but Jonas Valanciunas, to everyone but Jonas Valanciunas and DeMar DeRozan.

Whatever the case, you have assets now like an expiring Kyle Lowry contract that would be enticing to at least a handful of teams.

And just as a team never wants to get too top heavy with veterans who command a big salary, the opposite is true as well. If you have too many young guys, you either pay the price for youth and inexperience or you wind up having to try to bring them all back at the same time when their earning powers aren’t so limited.

Either way it’s an untenable situation. The point is that even in a draft year as good as this one is expected to be, there are reasons some teams might divest themselves of picks.

[TheFreshPrince]

The logic of that Sun article is sound, but it depends on if a team would want our veterans. I can't see a team valuing DeRozan as a veteran presence, maybe Amir or Kyle. But usually if a young team is trading their picks its because they want a solid veteran who's been through it all and can lead their youngsters. I'm not sure we have that guy.

[Rejected]

If the suns stay around that 12 area I could see them wanting a Demar for their pick to solidify their backcourt with Bledsoe and Demar, especially with up to a possible 3 more picks in the first round. The question would then be are we going to get a player better than Demar at 12? I'm not so sure.

[SpiderMunn]

100% promise Lowry is going to be traded, and one of Amir/Hansb by the trade deadline.

[suntzuballin]

i know raps jus got patterson but the rockets look like a suitor for a strecth 4 if they cant get anderson from pelicns

[cb4_jo6]

Raptors Trade:
Landry Fields
Kyle Lowry

Lakers Trade:
Steve Nash
2014 First Round Pick
2015 First Round Pick

For the 1020420320342034 time; LAL can't trade their pick

Maybe if you scrolled down, I was told twice already. Thanks for clearing it up for the third time.

[Kenyon009]

Maybe Masai does an insane risk.

Jonas Valanciunas

to Denver

for

2014 Knicks 1st


then

Demar to Atlanta/ Brand/Carrol/2014 BKN 1st



draft Wiggins/Embiid/Randle



a man can dream?

They don't have their own picks. I think the most likely scenario we could play is trading Lowry to the Bulls for one of the two picks they have. Then sending Amir out for a pick to a team like the Suns who could use a veteran presence. I think we should hold on to Amir and Val for a bit longer. With Vasquez coming in we could raise their value by using the pick and roll more, displaying their signature skills. Amir definitely has the potential to be a 20/10 player. The only problem he has is he can't create his own shot, be shooting from the mid range and inside he's so damn efficient.

[TheFreshPrince]

i know raps jus got patterson but the rockets look like a suitor for a strecth 4 if they cant get anderson from pelicns

What's wrong with what Terrence Jones is doing?

[sweetcity]

If the suns stay around that 12 area I could see them wanting a Demar for their pick to solidify their backcourt with Bledsoe and Demar, especially with up to a possible 3 more picks in the first round. The question would then be are we going to get a player better than Demar at 12? I'm not so sure.

exactly, outside the top 7 picks how many top 15 in the league scoring players are there actually going to be?

[tdotboyy]

"Quincy Pondexter Likely Out For Season With Stress Fracture In Foot"

we should try to trade someone to memphis for their pick

[TheFreshPrince]

If the suns stay around that 12 area I could see them wanting a Demar for their pick to solidify their backcourt with Bledsoe and Demar, especially with up to a possible 3 more picks in the first round. The question would then be are we going to get a player better than Demar at 12? I'm not so sure.

exactly, outside the top 7 picks how many top 15 in the league scoring players are there actually going to be?

It depends on how you view things. You can view DeMar as a top-15 scorer, but you can also view him as a volume shooter (not to the level of Rudy Gay, but still). So if you value a guy like Aaron Gordon or Wayne Selden or Andrew Harrison or Perry Ellis, they should all be available around that pick.

[gerrit4]

If the suns stay around that 12 area I could see them wanting a Demar for their pick to solidify their backcourt with Bledsoe and Demar, especially with up to a possible 3 more picks in the first round. The question would then be are we going to get a player better than Demar at 12? I'm not so sure.

exactly, outside the top 7 picks how many top 15 in the league scoring players are there actually going to be?

You're insinuating that being in the top 15 of PPG is equal to being one of the top 15 scorers in the game. I think that pretty much ignores every stat except PPG, which we know is a fairly useless stat. There are a hundred players in the league that could average 20ppg with enough shots.

Demar currently has the 85th best PER in the game. There's a realistic chance of finding a player in the top 85 PER with the 12th pick in a loaded draft. And he'd be on a much more realistic salary.

For the record, I'm on the fence about trading Derozan, because I still want to see him improve. I just don't agree that having the 12th best point per game average means that he's anywhere near the 12th best scorer in the league. Tony Parker is currently 26th, and 5x the player Derozan is. Derozan's career PPG is similar to Ginobli's, yet Ginobli is a hall of fame champion and Derozan may never make an all-star team.

[dagger]

The logic of that Sun article is sound, but it depends on if a team would want our veterans. I can't see a team valuing DeRozan as a veteran presence, maybe Amir or Kyle. But usually if a young team is trading their picks its because they want a solid veteran who's been through it all and can lead their youngsters. I'm not sure we have that guy.

I don't know why its so hard to understand why on draft night, a team with the ninth or tenth or twelfth pick wouldn't prefer a sure bet, ready to go NBA wing just entering his prime over a pick than might not pan out and even if it does will take years to develop. Not every lottery team is in rebuild mode, and this draft, as good as it is 1-6, is not going to churn out better players than DeMar right through the lottery. There will be some busts along the way.

[dagger]

"Quincy Pondexter Likely Out For Season With Stress Fracture In Foot"

we should try to trade someone to memphis for their pick

They don't have theirs.

[gaspar]

If the suns stay around that 12 area I could see them wanting a Demar for their pick to solidify their backcourt with Bledsoe and Demar, especially with up to a possible 3 more picks in the first round. The question would then be are we going to get a player better than Demar at 12? I'm not so sure.

No chance of that happening. The Suns have a better player on a better contract playing at SG for them. Also, their new GM is not an idiot.