Raps trying to trade us Lowry...

Mike Breen · Post #641 » by **Mike Breen** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:19 pm

NYKfan77 wrote:I am ok with picks as long as they are pick swaps. Not just giving up picks.

or at least lottery protect it.

Bklyn&company · Post #642 » by **Bklyn&company** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:20 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Fury wrote:I think people misunderstand how bad Raymond Felton is. It's not that Kyle Lowry is OMG good, but he's good, and a starter in the league. But Felton is so bad. ohhh boy.

this this this

and the other guy who said if lowry gives us 10-12 maybe 14 points a night. With good defense

he would be light years better than felton.

Lowry can actually stay in front of the guards in the NBA, felton is fat and can't.

Shack this Sh*t up and fire Woodson!!!!

damedash09 · Post #643 » by **damedash09** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:20 pm

MKCATL wrote:
damedash09 wrote:
MKCATL wrote:If we move Felton in the deal, who runs the point next year?

they have to resign Lowry is they are trading assets away.

Would we get his Bird rights or would he have to except our mmle?

yea i don't think we get his rights

ibraheim718 · Post #644 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:21 pm

j4remi wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:Just keep Shumpert, get rid of the coach and let Pablo start for the rest of the season

Trading away Felton is probably the only way we get a different starting PG the rest of the year. At least until we dump the coach and who knows if the new guy will be smarter. The biggest plus in that Felton/Shump deal is that Felton doesn't get to play for us any more. This is the catch-22 thanks to our stubborn coach.

I think Felton is going to be hurt all year... And I wouldn't commit to another point guard at this point in the season unless it was a big upgrade.

Lowry does nothing for me man... When I envision the kind of PG that can do for Melo what he needs done for him I don't envision this guy. Just sit tight... we'll make the playoffs.. just can the coach and Start Prigioni.

Mike Breen · Post #645 » by **Mike Breen** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:21 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:If the choice comes down to dealing Shumpert or Hardaway Jr along with Felton...which one do you give up?

Shumpert. We've been sitting around with our thumbs in our asses waiting on his "potential" and all he does is shoot 40% from the field and get injured.

With THJ, at least there's still hope.

NOOB77 · Post #646 » by **NOOB77** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:22 pm

Felton and 2015 first round pick swap -4- Lowry Done deal.

SaveUsKP6 · Post #647 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:22 pm

Mike Breen wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:If the choice comes down to dealing Shumpert or Hardaway Jr along with Felton...which one do you give up?

Shumpert. We've been sitting around with our thumbs in our asses waiting on his "potential" and all he does is shoot 40% from the field and get injured.

With THJ, at least there's still hope.

But didn't you hear? This is all Woodson's fault! Shumpert thrived under D'Antoni! The Knicks ruined Shumpert!

MKCATL · Post #648 » by **MKCATL** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:22 pm

damedash09 wrote:
MKCATL wrote:
damedash09 wrote:they have to resign Lowry is they are trading assets away.

Would we get his Bird rights or would he have to except our mmle?

yea i don't think we get his rights

lol, under the new cba we only have like 3 mil I think? we are sooo screwed.

damedash09 · Post #649 » by **damedash09** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:22 pm

Tim is a true shooting guard, run him off curls and let him shoot the rock. People will kill Tim when his defense is utterly exposed.

Buggin Out · Post #650 » by **Buggin Out** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:23 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:
Buggin Out wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
THJ can't guard anybody.. the guy is going to be a constant liability on defense his whole career.. I wouldn't trade him for Lowry but I would trade him in a heartbeat for an actual upgrade at the point guard position.

Jason Terry or Jamal Crawford can't guard anyone that well either. How are their careers working out?

If the team is planning on hiring JVG or THibs.. then this guy is expendable, period.

And I'll wager you anything you want he doesn't have as good a career as Terry or Crawford.

Probably not, but he can shoot the 3 ball at an elite level already and can finish in transition. Also how do you know that he can't improve on defense? He's playing bad D now, but with his athleticism he can become at least an average defender in this league. And we are not getting JVG or Thibbs

Hijinks · Post #651 » by **Hijinks** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:23 pm

man, this thread just exploded. 44 pages for lowry???

Buggin Out · Post #652 » by **Buggin Out** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:24 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:If the choice comes down to dealing Shumpert or Hardaway Jr along with Felton...which one do you give up?

Shumpert in an istant.

moabu08 · Post #653 » by **moabu08** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:24 pm

At this rate with these trade rumors Shump isnt even going to show up to the game tomorrow in Boston. Somewhere Shump is crying himself to sleep right now. Pussy.

Lord Commander · Post #654 » by **Lord Commander** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:24 pm

Buggin Out wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
Buggin Out wrote:Jason Terry or Jamal Crawford can't guard anyone that well either. How are their careers working out?

If the team is planning on hiring JVG or THibs.. then this guy is expendable, period.

And I'll wager you anything you want he doesn't have as good a career as Terry or Crawford.

Probably not, but he can shoot the 3 ball at an elite level already and can finish in transition. Also how do you know that he can't improve on defense? He's playing bad D now, but with his athleticism he can become at least an average defender in this league. And we are not getting JVG or Thibbs

His dad wasn't that good of a defender either, IIRC...

How'd his career turn out?

don't panac · Post #655 » by **don't panac** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:24 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:
j4remi wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:Just keep Shumpert, get rid of the coach and let Pablo start for the rest of the season

Trading away Felton is probably the only way we get a different starting PG the rest of the year. At least until we dump the coach and who knows if the new guy will be smarter. The biggest plus in that Felton/Shump deal is that Felton doesn't get to play for us any more. This is the catch-22 thanks to our stubborn coach.

I think Felton is going to be hurt all year... And I wouldn't commit to another point guard at this point in the season unless it was a big upgrade.

Lowry does nothing for me man... When I envision the kind of PG that can do for Melo what he needs done for him I don't envision this guy. Just sit tight... we'll make the playoffs.. just can the coach and Start Prigioni.

this.
unless you can package JR and Felton for Lowry and filler.

Toronto locks the Tank in and we add by subtraction

moabu08 · Post #656 » by **moabu08** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:25 pm

knicksfan87 wrote:man, this thread just exploded. 44 pages for lowry???

Desperate times my man, desperate times.

Fat · Post #657 » by **Fat** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:25 pm

shmeakone wrote:Wow is Hardaway really gonna get traded.. unbelievable.

I like the potential in THJR than i do in Shump honestly he's hella athletic, reliable 3 point shooter, Nice size and length for his position, can shoot off screens, Finishes in transition.

Regarding his defense he probably will never be a very good defender but he has the potential and athletism to be at least an average one in the NBA.

ibraheim718 · Post #658 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:25 pm

Buggin Out wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
Buggin Out wrote:Jason Terry or Jamal Crawford can't guard anyone that well either. How are their careers working out?

If the team is planning on hiring JVG or THibs.. then this guy is expendable, period.

And I'll wager you anything you want he doesn't have as good a career as Terry or Crawford.

Probably not, but he can shoot the 3 ball at an elite level already and can finish in transition. Also how do you know that he can't improve on defense? He's playing bad D now, but with his athleticism he can become at least an average defender in this league. And we are not getting JVG or Thibbs

He's a downright awful defender.. I want the team to start focusing on acquiring guys who play both sides of the court.

And for me you either have good defensive instincts and know how or you don't.

riter · Post #659 » by **riter** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:26 pm

Howard Beck @HowardBeck about 31 minutes ago

Shumpert fans, exhale: I'm told chances of him going to TOR in a Lowry deal are slim. Raps not high on him. Knicks prefer to keep (for now).

Post #660 » by **j4remi** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:26 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:
j4remi wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:Just keep Shumpert, get rid of the coach and let Pablo start for the rest of the season

Trading away Felton is probably the only way we get a different starting PG the rest of the year. At least until we dump the coach and who knows if the new guy will be smarter. The biggest plus in that Felton/Shump deal is that Felton doesn't get to play for us any more. This is the catch-22 thanks to our stubborn coach.

I think Felton is going to be hurt all year... And I wouldn't commit to another point guard at this point in the season unless it was a big upgrade.

Lowry does nothing for me man... When I envision the kind of PG that can do for Melo what he needs done for him I don't envision this guy. Just sit tight... we'll make the playoffs.. just can the coach and Start Prigioni.

Agreed, I don't know how much Lowry actually improves us. He's better than Felton but his only redeeming feature is that he can knock down three's better than Felton and nobody in the NBA is as bad as Felton at defending PG's. I want a damned Dragic deal but that seems impossible now that Shump has ruined his value and Dragic has shown the Suns how good he really is.

I'd love to just see Prigs start and Murry get some actual opportunities to be the back-up. Whatever it takes to see Felton STOP GETTING MINUTES (I'm subconsciously screaming at Woody with those caps). I've lost patience with Shump though, and I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if the (now pretty much debunked I know) Felton/Shump deal happened.