FFDL [floppy goes back2back]

[theman]

You're focusing on the wrong kind of background here. Here are the pertinent details:

1) You've entered a delusion where you think you can make up rules
2) The actual rules say you'd need to draft Mirotic to acquire him
3) You're wasting a roster spot because you don't actually own Mirotic

1) I am not making up a rule.
2) That is NOT the rule.
2b) I did draft him.
3) I could very well be wasting a roster spot if Mirotic does not come over.

Question. If you were so high on Mirotic, why did you draft him?

Let me answer for you: Because you had no idea who he was until I claimed him. At that point you googled his name, saw that he looked pretty good, got jealous and decided to raise a stink.

I was screwed out a Gallinari; I was screwed out of Blake Griffin. I will be damned if I will be screwed out of Mirotic.

[CFan21]

1) Yes you are
2) Yes it is
2b) No, you didn't draft him, you pretended just now to draft him but the draft is over
3) Not relevant

This isn't about whether I or anyone else want Mirotic (which I don't, particularly, but might when it's his time to actually be drafted next year). Just because you have a perception of being "screwed" in the past (I don't remember those circumstances) doesn't mean you can invent new dynamics in a league with fixed rules. You're not Billy Beane, dude, it's a fantasy league. Just calm down and follow the rules.

[CFan21]

But then again, I'm not the commissioner (I just play one on the MLB fantasy forum), so I should stop speaking as if with authority. I personally do not consider you to own Mirotic.

[theman]

This isn't about whether I or anyone else want Mirotic (which I don't, particularly, but might when it's his time to actually be drafted next year).

Mirotic was drafted three years ago. Are you arguing that insfo doesn't have a right to Ricky Rubio? The Rubio rule was put in place to allow a European play to be held in FFDL until they come state side. It was not put in place to lock out certain players.

I don't understand what sort of unfair advantage you believe I am getting. I am taking a risk on a player in Europe just like insfo did. I will have to wait five games to move him to the IL, I will have to drop a player if I want to hold him past the cut down date. All things insfo was required to do.

Could you have drafted Mirotic in this years draft? I think what you are saying is yes.

As I understand the rules, and I think this is where we disagree, any player who could be drafted and is not, becomes a free agent and can be picked up during the season. If the rule had been posted that European players can not be picked up as free agents I would have drafted him earlier.

Despite believing that I have no requirement to do so, I have given up a draft pick to add him. This means I am not getting something for nothing. Now, you will argue that draft picks expire when the waiver wire is opened up when time expires on the last pick. That makes perfect sense if all players are free agents at that point. But if you believe that certain players can only be added with a draft pick then it would make sense that a late pick can be used on one of those players. If an hour late East wanted to use his pick would you let him?

We have a rule that when a pick is made another player has to be dropped if the manager does not have room on their roster. However, on several occasions that rule was not enforced. You never made a complaint about that. That rule is far clearer than selecting foreign players as free agents. Not dropping a player during the draft can actually have a greater impact on the league if the next person to draft would be interested in picking up that player. It could have a ripple effect through the entire draft.

[theman]

I am looking at all the posted rules:

RC / FA DRAFT RULES

RULE - The draft will be only two rounds and includes all NBA Rookies and all FFDL Free Agents (after rosters are trimmed to size). If you add a player in the RC/FA Draft, you must drop a player to make room.

RULE - The draft does NOT snake.

RULE - The champion, as always, will have the last pick of each round.

RULE - Those who finish 2nd to 6th will only receive 1 ball. Those who finish 7th to 9th will receive 3 balls. Those who finish 10th to 12th will receive 5 balls. Those who finish 13th and 14th will receive 8 lottery balls.

RULE - only picks posted on the roster page are available for trade


IL LIST

Player must miss 5 full games consecutively before dropped. For each drop, you must announce the IL placement on the Yahoo board and update the IL list. Example, 'IL Jonas Valančiūnas' as title. Body looks something like this:

Jonas Valančiūnas - sly
Vince Carter - Skai
Gilbert Arenas - AlciG

You can hold two players max on the IL. You can swap players to and from the IL (including traded players) without penalty.

Any misuse of the IL (i.e. player does not miss 5 full games) will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis by the commissioner. Please notify commissioner if somebody skirts the rules.

FFDL 2011-2012

RULES

Draft starts: Monday, December 19th, Noon EDT

Time per pick:
1st Round is 8 hours per pick
2nd Round is 6 hours per pick

Roster Limits, and Dropping Players

Remember, if you draft a player, you must create roster space to accommodate them; no-one will have a roster larger than 15 at any time...so when you make a pick, please either tell me who you will drop, or that you have made a trade.

CLARIFICATION - When a manager drafts a player and drops another, the guy just dropped can be drafted by another manager, though the second manager would also have to make roster space to accommodate them.




IL LIST

Player must miss 5 full games consecutively before dropped. For each drop, you must announce the IL placement on the Yahoo board and update the IL list. Example, 'IL Jonas Valančiūnas' as title. Body looks something like this:

Jonas Valančiūnas - sly
Vince Carter - Skai
Gilbert Arenas - AlciG

You can hold two players max on the IL. You can swap players to and from the IL (including traded players) without penalty.

Any misuse of the IL (i.e. player does not miss 3 (sic) full games) will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis by the commissioner. Please notify commissioner if somebody skirts the rules.

Here's the updated draft rules, I believe... From 2009-2010 thread (ys's post)....

RULE - The 2009 draft will be only two rounds, as many of you will now. This is also mainly because we've had many a pick forfeit in recent times in the late rounds.

RULE - The draft does NOT snake.

RULE - The champion, as always, will have the last pick of each round. As Stanford was both the regular-season winner and the overall winner, we have no debate here.

RULE - 2012 picks now available for trade

RULE - Those who finish 2nd to 6th will only receive 1 ball. Those who finish 7th to 9th will receive 3 balls. Those who finish 10th to 12th will receive 5 balls. Those who finish 13th and 14th will receive 8 lottery balls.

FFDL 2011-2012

RULES

Draft starts: Monday, December 19th, Noon EDT

Time per pick:
1st Round is 8 hours per pick
2nd Round is 6 hours per pick

Roster Limits, and Dropping Players

Remember, if you draft a player, you must create roster space to accommodate them; no-one will have a roster larger than 15 at any time...so when you make a pick, please either tell me who you will drop, or that you have made a trade.

CLARIFICATION - When a manager drafts a player and drops another, the guy just dropped can be drafted by another manager, though the second manager would also have to make roster space to accommodate them. - See more at: viewtopic.php?f=336&t=1145546#sthash.DHc115ee.dpuf

And most important:

NEW RULE - The Ricky Rubio Rule will be invoked, starting from this season...that player will have to miss 5 games before being transferred to your IL. At the end of the season, you must make a decision (eh, theman) to either keep him in your 15-man roster heading into next season, or drop him to the FA pool.

Remember, if you draft a player, you must create roster space to accommodate them; no-one will have a roster larger than 15 at any time...so when you make a pick, please either tell me who you will drop, or that you have made a trade. I understand this might not be as easy to do, so everyone will get 24 hours to make room on their roster for draft pick(s).

CLARIFICATION - When a manager drafts a player and drops another, the guy just dropped can be drafted by another manager, though the second manager would also have the roster space to accommodate them.

CLARIFICATION - The current rosters are on the first page of this thread, so that will be your point of reference. - See more at: viewtopic.php?f=336&t=898215&start=195#sthash.wBu1tZ5X.dpuf

Emphasis added.

I am just not seeing anything that says a player that was in the draft is off limits once the draft is over.

[sly]

Looks like lots of fun going on over here.

Firstly, you can't trade picks that have already expired. This may not a be a rule written anywhere but it shouldn't have to be. So, I won't be processing that.

Second, I don't think I was part of the Ricky Rubio rule. But, I would have done the same thing... and it's a little different situation. Ricky was a new draft pick, just coming into the league. Mirotic was already drafted.

Personally, I think we should ignore the FA part of our draft in these types of discussion. The FA pool is meant to be leftover talent that wasn't picked up from the previous season. With Mirotic already going through the draft, I'd interpret the rules to say that he's fair game to take as a FA if you want to wait the 5 games and use up a roster spot. Just like if somebody wanted Lamar Odom right now. If they've been drafted in the NBA, and somebody isn't sitting on their Ricky Rubio draft rights, than I'll assume that everybody believes that that player isn't good enough to stash away. At least, Mirotic not being on anybody's roster right now suggests that. The decision to drop him and his rights was already made by someone previously. And nobody picked up him right after. So, I think he's fair game. That's why I didn't bat an eye when he was picked up. I count the FA pool as anybody who has already entered the NBA draft. I think it's much simpler and easier to manage this way.

That's just my interpretation, and perhaps I'm in the minority here. If we'd like to put this to vote, just make the notion.

[theman]

Thanks Sly.

Thoughtfully and articulately put as usual.

[floppymoose]

The only two options I can see are to say FA's (and Waiver guys) are:
1) players not on a fantasy team but with rights held by an nba team
2) players not on a fantasy team but listed on Yahoo player pool

For a non-dynasty league, I think #2 makes the most sense.

For a dynasty league, I think #1 makes the most sense.

just my opinion.

[CFan21]

I'm good to follow whatever sly's ruling is, just happy to see it pass through the proper channels

[theman]

Speaking of rules violations.

Skai has Alex Len on the IL who played on Nov. 20 but on Nov. 24 he added Kirk Hinrich from the waiver wire.

Just saying.

[CFan21]

theman, do not offer me trades if they're going to be Isaiah Thomas, Terrence Ross and Andrew Nicholson for LaMarcus Aldridge. It's almost too laughable that it goes back to being annoying.

[theman]

I'd like to congratulate our guys for an impressive come back this week. We went up early, maybe got a little over confident and fell behind big. But we know we are never out of it, kept doing what we needed to do and pulled out the win.

Picking an MVP is tough. Nominees would include John Wall who ranked 11th for the week averaging 23.0 pts, 3.5 rebounds and over 10 assists, Carmello who averaged 19.3 points, 8.7 rebounds and nearly 4 assists per game. And we definately would not have won the week without the help of Avery Bradley who provided some great defense averaged 15 and 6 and over 2 3's per game.

But this weeks MVP goes to Isaiah Thomas who ranked 5th overall, averaged 21 points 7 assists and 4 steals gave us the boost wee needed.

[theman]

I would like to give a special thank you to Masai Ujiri and Pete D'Alessandro for the early Christmas present.

[CFan21]

So this wacko bird ^^^^^ cancels his lowball offer, then offers Wall, Carmelo and Batum for Aldridge and immediately cancels the offer with the message "You are not going to get this so you can forget it." Dude, I'm not even trying to trade with you. You made the offer...

[theman]

So this wacko bird ^^^^^ cancels his lowball offer, then offers Wall, Carmelo and Batum for Aldridge and immediately cancels the offer with the message "You are not going to get this so you can forget it." Dude, I'm not even trying to trade with you. You made the offer...

Dude, you are the dude that said he was looking to trade the Aldridge dude. I made an offer. Instead of rejecting it you came on here to bad mouth it. I assumed that meant you did not like it so I cancelled it.

Be the way. Isaiah Thomas is now the starting point guard in Sacramento. And Terrence Ross should be the starting Small Forward in Toronto. Thank you Ujiri and D'Alessandro.

[CFan21]

You're still a wacko bird.

[theman]

You're still a wacko bird.

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[theman]

Just want to get confirmation of a rule. If player A is on team X's IL, he can be traded to team Y and moved immediate to the IL as long as team Y has an open slot. Correct?

[CFan21]

No, they have to miss 5 games on your team. For comparison, it's like if you pick up someone off the waiver wire who has missed 5 games and then just immediately put him on your IL.

[sly]

Unless the rule has changed, players can switch IL's. When we brought in the IL rule, we did this, otherwise, the same GM would be punished twice for having an IL player (i.e. waiting 5 games, and then devaluing the player knowing that the new owner would have to wait another 5 games).