Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[Green89]

- Cleveland is out cause they are not getting Green

Enough with Jeff Green. He is a nice player. He is a solid player. He is not a player you build around as top-3 guy. He has a 15.41 PER and ranks 14th among starting SFs. That makes him league average. He is a solid defender, not a great one. Celtics have a chance to acquire a premier defensive center for an average SF and average PF without giving up any picks.

Green's PER will rise as soon as Rondo is back. He is not the type of player who goes after the ball or demands it, and quite frankly, he isn't getting as many touches this year as he should be. Rondo will improve Jeff's game the second he steps back onto the court.

With Green's knack for hitting last minute shots, and Rondo's knack for finding the open guy on final plays, that's a deadly one two punch at the end of games. Tell me, who is going to take that last shot for us if Green is gone?

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Omer would fill one of the Celtics biggest needs which is a big man that can play center, rebound and block shots. This team does not have tons of height so many times they are forced to go small and they will have 4 guys on the floor at once that can play the guard spot and a guy like Humphries that is playing center.

As for Green: If we were getting that guy who is aggressive every night and gets you around 22 points a game I would not trade him. Unfortunately what you’re getting is a guy that will be super aggressive and get 27 points. Then the very next day he will take 6 shots and get you 8 points. Ainge should not be that concerned putting Green in the trade talks.

[humblebum]

You are kidding right? We are obviously not trying to contend this year. Maybe next year and definitely the year after... and with the new repeater tax and other penalties for tax teams (no S&Ts etc) it will be easier to contend the next couple years if we DON'T go into the tax this year.

I understand the issues surrounding the repeater tax and why the owners will look to avoid it. My point is that the team could be in a position to contend in the weak East and it would be a shame if they came up short over this and next season because they came up short in terms of what they're willing to spend.

I don't want to get too far out ahead of this thing here but adding Rondo/Asik to what this team is doing now could put the Celtics in a position to be neck and neck with Miami and Indy.

Contending to be third in the East with no realistic chance of beating eight or 10 other clubs in the league is a terrible reason to hit the repeater tax and start thinking short term.

Based on what I've seen this season I feel that the Celtics chances would be much stronger than you suggest. Right now the Celtics are rock solid and you'd be adding two impact players into the mix in Rondo and Asik.

Chemistry will be key of course but looking at a rotation of Rondo, Crawford, AB, Green, Bass, Sullinger, Asik with Lee/Wallace/Olynyk in depth roles I'd not put much of a limit on that groups potential.

[Green89]

Omer would fill one of the Celtics biggest needs which is a big man that can play center, rebound and block shots. This team does not have tons of height so many times they are forced to go small and they will have 4 guys on the floor at once that can play the guard spot and a guy like Humphries that is playing center.

As for Green: If we were getting that guy who is aggressive every night and gets you around 22 points a game I would not trade him. Unfortunately what you’re getting is a guy that will be super aggressive and get 27 points. Then the very next day he will take 6 shots and get you 8 points. Ainge should not be that concerned putting Green in the trade talks.

The problem is, if he's gone, who is ever going to get those 27 points back that he could score on any given night? Our offense is anemic at times, so you can't deal your best scorer and not get a scorer back. That would put Crash as our starting SF, and as you've clearly seen, he wants no part of the ball at any time on the offensive end.

When Rondo comes back, I guarantee Green doesn't take under 10 shots a game anymore.

[freddiebutch]

Just another update, this from the reliable Chris Mannix:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/status/413301364299554816[/tweet]

[Berkcelt]

Any chance Houston doesn't pull the trigger if they don't get a deal they want? I'll be kinda PO'd if he's not traded somewhere by tomorrow.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Omer would fill one of the Celtics biggest needs which is a big man that can play center, rebound and block shots. This team does not have tons of height so many times they are forced to go small and they will have 4 guys on the floor at once that can play the guard spot and a guy like Humphries that is playing center.

As for Green: If we were getting that guy who is aggressive every night and gets you around 22 points a game I would not trade him. Unfortunately what you’re getting is a guy that will be super aggressive and get 27 points. Then the very next day he will take 6 shots and get you 8 points. Ainge should not be that concerned putting Green in the trade talks.

The problem is, if he's gone, who is ever going to get those 27 points back that he could score on any given night? Our offense is anemic at times, so you can't deal your best scorer and not get a scorer back. That would put Crash as our starting SF, and as you've clearly seen, he wants no part of the ball at any time on the offensive end.

When Rondo comes back, I guarantee Green doesn't take under 10 shots a game anymore.

Yeah its pretty clear Crash has zero desire to be here. His passive aggressive play on the offense end is obvious. I would think Rondo can replace some of the scoring if Green is traded and of course so can Omer as he will get you around 10 points a game.

[15th overall]

Uh-oh. Brace yourselves for Lavoy Allen and a 2nd rounder or something like that.

[Pogue Mahone]

Picked this up on the sixer board:

"Jake Pavorsky

Um, please stick to the Celtics board and real sources, as Jake Pavorsky is actually a high school student:

https://twitter.com/JakePavorsky

LMAO at the Sixers board using high school students as sources.

LOL @ You

Chris Cotillo is a high school student, as well.

[tfribs45]

If Danny can pull a rabbit out of his hat and get Asik without losing Green, then I'd say go for it! Rondo will only help Green improve, especially with easy fast break baskets....This team will be fun to watch when Rondo gets back and the sky is the limit with the youth and enthusiasm this roster has..... Tanking is never the answer and having a chance to rebuild quickly is a bonus! Danny and CO. are looking like genius' right about now! Tons of picks, expiring contracts, strong players, etc...

[LobCityRondo2KG]

Just another update, this from the reliable Chris Mannix:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/status/413301364299554816[/tweet]

what does the post say?

[GregB]

All this green talk makes zero sense. The whole point in trading for Asik is to strengthen the team now. By trading Green we are making our team worse.

I would imagine that any offer the Celtics will make centers around Brandon Bass or Hump and first round pick or two.

[pac213up]

Just another update, this from the reliable Chris Mannix:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/status/413301364299554816[/tweet]

No value in Boston seeming desperate for a guy they may want.

[SirTankalot]

Green's PER will rise as soon as Rondo is back. He is not the type of player who goes after the ball or demands it, and quite frankly, he isn't getting as many touches this year as he should be. Rondo will improve Jeff's game the second he steps back onto the court.

He has a career 13.3 PER. This is his peak. A 16-18 PPG scorer who is a decent 3 pt shooter, a decent finisher, a decent defender and not much else. And look at his pre-Rondo injury numbers vs. post-Rondo injury numbers last year if you want to talk about how Jeff's game will improve second Rondo is back on the court.

With Green's knack for hitting last minute shots, and Rondo's knack for finding the open guy on final plays, that's a deadly one two punch at the end of games. Tell me, who is going to take that last shot for us if Green is gone?

This is the point. The goal is not to make a last shot nor is it to win a championship this year. It is to continue to develop your assets. Asik has more value than Green. Green is an average SF. Asik is an elite defensive center. Major difference.

[Ben-N1ce]

Green will never be more than a decent 3rd option if a team is already good. I don't see how anyone can see anymore than that in him. He doesn't have the skillset or mentallity to be more than that.

[humblebum]

Green's PER will rise as soon as Rondo is back. He is not the type of player who goes after the ball or demands it, and quite frankly, he isn't getting as many touches this year as he should be. Rondo will improve Jeff's game the second he steps back onto the court.

He has a career 13.3 PER. This is his peak. A 16-18 PPG scorer who is a decent 3 pt shooter, a decent finisher, a decent defender and not much else. And look at his pre-Rondo injury numbers vs. post-Rondo injury numbers last year if you want to talk about how Jeff's game will improve second Rondo is back on the court.

With Green's knack for hitting last minute shots, and Rondo's knack for finding the open guy on final plays, that's a deadly one two punch at the end of games. Tell me, who is going to take that last shot for us if Green is gone?

This is the point. The goal is not to make a last shot nor is it to win a championship this year. It is to continue to develop your assets. Asik has more value than Green. Green is an average SF. Asik is an elite defensive center. Major difference.

Green is a bit better than you give him credit for and Asik a bit worse. Green still has the ability to kick into a higher gear from time to time (and has shown a penchant for making big plays down the stretch of games) while Asik can't defend PF's out to three point line (with a ton of those types masquerading as 5's around the league) and offensively he's a dud.

It doesn't make any sense to deal Green for Asik and it seems evident the Celtics organization feels the same based on multiple reports.

[StojkoVrankovic]

I don't see how Houston has the leverage for Jeff Green, seems like Morey asking for the moon

[165bows]

Green's PER will rise as soon as Rondo is back. He is not the type of player who goes after the ball or demands it, and quite frankly, he isn't getting as many touches this year as he should be. Rondo will improve Jeff's game the second he steps back onto the court.

He has a career 13.3 PER. This is his peak. A 16-18 PPG scorer who is a decent 3 pt shooter, a decent finisher, a decent defender and not much else. And look at his pre-Rondo injury numbers vs. post-Rondo injury numbers last year if you want to talk about how Jeff's game will improve second Rondo is back on the court.

With Green's knack for hitting last minute shots, and Rondo's knack for finding the open guy on final plays, that's a deadly one two punch at the end of games. Tell me, who is going to take that last shot for us if Green is gone?

This is the point. The goal is not to make a last shot nor is it to win a championship this year. It is to continue to develop your assets. Asik has more value than Green. Green is an average SF. Asik is an elite defensive center. Major difference.

This might be the most useless comparison of all time.

[gocelts]

When you hear Houston asking for Milsap whos better than Green, you start getting back to earth that Houston isnt going to cough up Asik for peanuts.

The guy that intrigues me that's been brought up in all these scenerios is actually Hawes...it would be awesome to get him. I'd put together a package to Houston to make that work and let the Sixers have Asik...

[GreenMachine]

What Houston asks for and what Houston gets are not nessisarily the same. If they were, the trade would have happened already.