Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[ozthegandp]

how bout maynor and seraphin for ridnour. the bucks are trying to develop their young guys and tank so ridnour isnt getting any playing time.


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oh and again the wizards arent mentioned as one of the teams interested despite this being an obvious area of need


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[Rafael122]

No one here knew that the Wizards were trying to get Asik. Just because the team isn't being mentioned in trade rumors doesn't mean EG isn't being active. For all we know the Wiz could be the wild card team in the WT article.

[ozthegandp]

doubtful. with the asking prices that some of these teams are setting , the wiz really dont have the assets to make a competitive offer. we have to go for the lesser players on the market or nothing.

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[Dat2U]

My only concern with Faried is how much better is he than Booker really? Stats seem similar. Faried is clearly better, but I wonder how much of that is him just being healthier and getting more development on a team that didn't have an option at PF.

In either case I wouldn't trade Porter for him and I'd still be shocked if we extended Ariza at this point. Yes, he's performing better this year, but his role is the same and he was still hitting the long ball at a nice clip last year. I don't understand why we'd draft Porter if we thought extending both Webb and Trevor were real possibilities.

It would have made more sense to move Porter during the draft while his value was at its highest or maybe traded down to get Adams and or Len, maybe even going with Noel.

Well lets see... Booker is 2 years older but Faried has higher career PER, TS%, eFG%, ORB%, TRB%, USG%, ORtg, WS & WS48. Also the majority of Booker's minutes have come against backups while Faried minutes have mostly come against starters

Other than that their similar.

Stats from 2011-14

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Player   PER     TS%   DRB%   TRB%  AST%  BLK%   TOV%   USG%  ORtg  DRtg    WS  WS/48
Booker   15.0   .548   18.1   14.4   6.0   2.4   12.0   14.8   112   105   8.7   .119
Faried   19.6   .581   22.9   18.7   5.3   3.0   12.1   18.1   117   102  14.4   .179

[ozthegandp]

how bout maynor and seraphin for ridnour. the bucks are trying to develop their young guys and tank so ridnour isnt getting any playing time.

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and personally i think ridnour would be perfect for our bench. we've been saying we need a scoring guard but i think ridnour will have the same effect wall did when he came back from injury last yr. he can actually run an offense and maximize Webster Otto and harrington's skills getting them shots in their spots

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[Nivek]

So that would leave us with a lineup going forward of....
Wall/?
Beal/Webster/Rice
Ariza/Webster
Faried/ Nene
Gortat/Nene

Depending on what they could do to fill the combo guard hole, what kind of upside does that team have?

I think that's a good team -- provided the GM could add depth. Which he oughta be able to do using the MLE, the BAE and draft picks (after they pay Phoenix the 2014 1st for Gortat). The cap on how good would likely come down to whether Wall and Beal could develop into true stars before Nene and Gortat got too old.

[Nivek]

My only concern with Faried is how much better is he than Booker really? Stats seem similar. Faried is clearly better, but I wonder how much of that is him just being healthier and getting more development on a team that didn't have an option at PF.

In either case I wouldn't trade Porter for him and I'd still be shocked if we extended Ariza at this point. Yes, he's performing better this year, but his role is the same and he was still hitting the long ball at a nice clip last year. I don't understand why we'd draft Porter if we thought extending both Webb and Trevor were real possibilities.

It would have made more sense to move Porter during the draft while his value was at its highest or maybe traded down to get Adams and or Len, maybe even going with Noel.

Well lets see... Booker is 2 years older but Faried has higher career PER, TS%, eFG%, ORB%, TRB%, USG%, ORtg, WS & WS48. Also the majority of Booker's minutes have come against backups while Faried minutes have mostly come against starters

Other than that their similar.

Stats from 2011-14

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Player   PER     TS%   DRB%   TRB%  AST%  BLK%   TOV%   USG%  ORtg  DRtg    WS  WS/48
Booker   15.0   .548   18.1   14.4   6.0   2.4   12.0   14.8   112   105   8.7   .119
Faried   19.6   .581   22.9   18.7   5.3   3.0   12.1   18.1   117   102  14.4   .179

Booker's PPA (my overall productivity stat -- pace adjusted, accounts for defense, includes a "degree of difficulty" factor) so far this season: 118. Faried: 179. Average is 100, higher is better.

[dckingsfan]

how bout maynor and seraphin for ridnour. the bucks are trying to develop their young guys and tank so ridnour isnt getting any playing time.


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oh and again the wizards arent mentioned as one of the teams interested despite this being an obvious area of need


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That would be a very nice trade.

[jivelikenice]

Unless they are fascinated by Seraphin and think they can develop him, there's no reason for Milwaukee to take on Maynor's 2nd yr player option.

[ozthegandp]

Unless they are fascinated by Seraphin and think they can develop him, there's no reason for Milwaukee to take on Maynor's 2nd yr player option.

i know i just stuck him in because i hate him

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[ozthegandp]

we should definately at least try to get ridnour though.

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[Ruzious]

we should definately at least try to get ridnour though.

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You know how guards often lose a whole step in their early 30's and really can't play effectively anymore - except for maybe a game here or there? That's what happened to Luke. He's basically done at 32.

[GeeWiz]

Our team clearly isn't there yet. Were two good, young bigs away from being in GREAT position for the future.

If we could pull a trade for Sanders, whose stock should be lowered with his big contract and recent shenanigans. Maybe Milwaukee commits to Henson as the Center of the future, with Atentekounpo (spelling) at PF, as he is not done growing.

A Larry Sanders-Greg Monroe frountcourt would be a dream. But I think one of the two are obtainable, whether it be offering Monroe a big contract or offering Porter and other assets for Sanders.


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[TGW]

I've soured on Monroe—defensively he is terrible, and he's somewhat of a tweener. He'd be a clear upgrade from what we have, but again he's not as good as we make him out to be.

[LyricalRico]

Any way we can insert ourselves into the rumored HOU/BOS deal? Maybe take back Courtney Lee and a second while giving up Maynor? Helps our SG depth and doesn't hurt our cap if we assume Gortat will be resigned.

[ozthegandp]

we should definately at least try to get ridnour though.

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You know how guards often lose a whole step in their early 30's and really can't play effectively anymore - except for maybe a game here or there? That's what happened to Luke. He's basically done at 32.

we dont need him to get his own shot. we need him to run the offense for the second unit and create shots for guys like Webster and harrington. which he is capable of doing. also hes a still a good pick and roll pg. hes not completly done either. he avged 10 and 4 last yr playing against starters. thats a hell of a lot better than we have on the bench right now.

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[Nivek]

The big selling point on Maynor was his ability to "run the offense" and create shots for the 2nd unit. Ridnour hasn't been as bad as Maynor this season, but he's been terrible. If the Wizards had an expiring torn ACL to trade for him, then sure -- he's no worse than Maynor or Temple. If they're trying to improve their backup PG play, Ridnour isn't the guy.

[ozthegandp]

The big selling point on Maynor was his ability to "run the offense" and create shots for the 2nd unit. Ridnour hasn't been as bad as Maynor this season, but he's been terrible. If the Wizards had an expiring torn ACL to trade for him, then sure -- he's no worse than Maynor or Temple. If they're trying to improve their backup PG play, Ridnour isn't the guy.

the problem was maynor never had a history of doing any such thing. we were just hoping. and
torn ACL> maynor

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[Nivek]

Agreed on Maynor. And Ridnour was okay last season. Maybe worth doing if the acquisition cost is low.

[GeeWiz]

Any way we can insert ourselves into the rumored HOU/BOS deal? Maybe take back Courtney Lee and a second while giving up Maynor? Helps our SG depth and doesn't hurt our cap if we assume Gortat will be resigned.

With Webster, Rice, Beal, Porter, and Ariza, I feel like we have enough wings as is. Then again, were talking Maynor, so id take anything.


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