Bradley Beal - Part II

[hands11]

Hey, Bobcats fan here.

Would you guys consider a trade of Bradley Beal? Excluding Kemba, what would you guys see as a legitimate trade for Beal if you guys don't think he is untouchable

I think he is pretty untouchable.


Why, what did you think would be a fair deal ?

Why would you want to trade ? The Cats are doing pretty well. And Ben comes off the books so you have cap room.

[lmcguir5]

Hey, Bobcats fan here.

Would you guys consider a trade of Bradley Beal? Excluding Kemba, what would you guys see as a legitimate trade for Beal if you guys don't think he is untouchable

I think he is pretty untouchable.


Why, what did you think would be a fair deal ?

Why would you want to trade ? The Cats are doing pretty well. And Ben comes off the books so you have cap room.

I mean tbh, we would have to include Kemba in the deal unless you guys would want MKG as the centerpiece. I am pretty much infatuated with the guy. He is gonna be a great player for a while to come.

I would do MKG and the Pistons pick that we own (top 8 protected) and a future second round pick

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Hey, Bobcats fan here.

Would you guys consider a trade of Bradley Beal? Excluding Kemba, what would you guys see as a legitimate trade for Beal if you guys don't think he is untouchable

I think he is pretty untouchable.


Why, what did you think would be a fair deal ?

Why would you want to trade ? The Cats are doing pretty well. And Ben comes off the books so you have cap room.

I mean tbh, we would have to include Kemba in the deal unless you guys would want MKG as the centerpiece. I am pretty much infatuated with the guy. He is gonna be a great player for a while to come.

I would do MKG and the Pistons pick that we own (top 8 protected) and a future second round pick

No way. Our FO allegedly passed on a Beal for Harden trade. We hated that, but it is looking more reasonable over time. Kid is young, and learning and growing (literally). His ceiling is extremely high. I honestly don't think you have enough to pry him away.

Then again, our GM is Grunfeld. Perhaps you have an aging vet who would bring leadership experience... In that case, we'd throw in a second.

[lmcguir5]

I think he is pretty untouchable.


Why, what did you think would be a fair deal ?

Why would you want to trade ? The Cats are doing pretty well. And Ben comes off the books so you have cap room.

I mean tbh, we would have to include Kemba in the deal unless you guys would want MKG as the centerpiece. I am pretty much infatuated with the guy. He is gonna be a great player for a while to come.

I would do MKG and the Pistons pick that we own (top 8 protected) and a future second round pick

No way. Our FO allegedly passed on a Beal for Harden trade. We hated that, but it is looking more reasonable over time. Kid is young, and learning and growing (literally). His ceiling is extremely high. I honestly don't think you have enough to pry him away.

Then again, our GM is Grunfeld. Perhaps you have an aging vet who would bring leadership experience... In that case, we'd throw in a second.

The only reason I suggested that is because we really could use a 2 guard for the future seeing as Hendo probably isnt the long term answer, and I'm guessing you guys are disappointed with Porter so far. We do own two potential first rounders, from Detroit and Portland that we could offer. would that potentially change your mind or are you guys still pretty set on him being untouchable?

[Illmatic21]

Hey, Bobcats fan here.

Would you guys consider a trade of Bradley Beal? Excluding Kemba, what would you guys see as a legitimate trade for Beal if you guys don't think he is untouchable

I think he is pretty untouchable.


Why, what did you think would be a fair deal ?

Why would you want to trade ? The Cats are doing pretty well. And Ben comes off the books so you have cap room.

I mean tbh, we would have to include Kemba in the deal unless you guys would want MKG as the centerpiece. I am pretty much infatuated with the guy. He is gonna be a great player for a while to come.

I would do MKG and the Pistons pick that we own (top 8 protected) and a future second round pick

We have no need for Kemba obviously. And that MKG trade is nowhere near enough. MKG looks to be an elite defensive player, but hasn't really shown much on the offensive end.

Beal isn't untouchable (no one is), but nothing the Bobcats have would be enough .

If I were Charlotte, I would all out tank for a top draft pick and try to land a star that way. But it looks like you guys are committed to winning games this year.

[Illmatic21]

I mean tbh, we would have to include Kemba in the deal unless you guys would want MKG as the centerpiece. I am pretty much infatuated with the guy. He is gonna be a great player for a while to come.

I would do MKG and the Pistons pick that we own (top 8 protected) and a future second round pick

No way. Our FO allegedly passed on a Beal for Harden trade. We hated that, but it is looking more reasonable over time. Kid is young, and learning and growing (literally). His ceiling is extremely high. I honestly don't think you have enough to pry him away.

Then again, our GM is Grunfeld. Perhaps you have an aging vet who would bring leadership experience... In that case, we'd throw in a second.

The only reason I suggested that is because we really could use a 2 guard for the future seeing as Hendo probably isnt the long term answer, and I'm guessing you guys are disappointed with Porter so far. We do own two potential first rounders, from Detroit and Portland that we could offer. would that potentially change your mind or are you guys still pretty set on him being untouchable?

If you guys had an Andre Drummond on your roster we could talk. But no, nothing Charlotte has can get it done.

Tanking for Exum may be your best course of action.

[lmcguir5]

I think he is pretty untouchable.


Why, what did you think would be a fair deal ?

Why would you want to trade ? The Cats are doing pretty well. And Ben comes off the books so you have cap room.

I mean tbh, we would have to include Kemba in the deal unless you guys would want MKG as the centerpiece. I am pretty much infatuated with the guy. He is gonna be a great player for a while to come.

I would do MKG and the Pistons pick that we own (top 8 protected) and a future second round pick

We have no need for Kemba obviously. And that MKG trade is nowhere near enough. MKG looks to be an elite defensive player, but hasn't really shown much on the offensive end.

Beal isn't untouchable (no one is), but nothing the Bobcats have would be enough .

If I were Charlotte, I would all out tank for a top draft pick and try to land a star that way. But it looks like you guys are committed to winning games this year.

I refuse to purposely tank an entire year away. That's not how you build a team and the morale, I don't care what kind of franchise changing talent is at the end of the road. Our guys are getting better just by winning, especially after that win against Detroit tonight after being down 20. We went 28-120 over the past two years, its safe to say I am tired of the losing, especially blatant losing. Our fan base is probably most interested in a trade at this point, although most of us are tied pretty emotionally with MKG

[Illmatic21]

I mean tbh, we would have to include Kemba in the deal unless you guys would want MKG as the centerpiece. I am pretty much infatuated with the guy. He is gonna be a great player for a while to come.

I would do MKG and the Pistons pick that we own (top 8 protected) and a future second round pick

We have no need for Kemba obviously. And that MKG trade is nowhere near enough. MKG looks to be an elite defensive player, but hasn't really shown much on the offensive end.

Beal isn't untouchable (no one is), but nothing the Bobcats have would be enough .

If I were Charlotte, I would all out tank for a top draft pick and try to land a star that way. But it looks like you guys are committed to winning games this year.

I refuse to purposely tank an entire year away. That's not how you build a team and the morale, I don't care what kind of franchise changing talent is at the end of the road. Our guys are getting better just by winning, especially after that win against Detroit tonight after being down 20. We went 28-120 over the past two years, its safe to say I am tired of the losing, especially blatant losing. Our fan base is probably most interested in a trade at this point, although most of us are tied pretty emotionally with MKG

The Dion Waiters sweepstakes are open? MKG would probably be enough, Cleveland really needs an SF.

[lmcguir5]

We have no need for Kemba obviously. And that MKG trade is nowhere near enough. MKG looks to be an elite defensive player, but hasn't really shown much on the offensive end.

Beal isn't untouchable (no one is), but nothing the Bobcats have would be enough .

If I were Charlotte, I would all out tank for a top draft pick and try to land a star that way. But it looks like you guys are committed to winning games this year.

I refuse to purposely tank an entire year away. That's not how you build a team and the morale, I don't care what kind of franchise changing talent is at the end of the road. Our guys are getting better just by winning, especially after that win against Detroit tonight after being down 20. We went 28-120 over the past two years, its safe to say I am tired of the losing, especially blatant losing. Our fan base is probably most interested in a trade at this point, although most of us are tied pretty emotionally with MKG

The Dion Waiters sweepstakes are open? MKG would probably be enough, Cleveland really needs an SF.

Waiters reportedly got pulled shortly after warmups and Bennett was out tonight with "illness". Kinda makes me think a blockbuster is in the waiting wings. I do like Waiters, but not enough to trade MKG for him

[Illmatic21]

I refuse to purposely tank an entire year away. That's not how you build a team and the morale, I don't care what kind of franchise changing talent is at the end of the road. Our guys are getting better just by winning, especially after that win against Detroit tonight after being down 20. We went 28-120 over the past two years, its safe to say I am tired of the losing, especially blatant losing. Our fan base is probably most interested in a trade at this point, although most of us are tied pretty emotionally with MKG

The Dion Waiters sweepstakes are open? MKG would probably be enough, Cleveland really needs an SF.

Waiters reportedly got pulled shortly after warmups and Bennett was out tonight with "illness". Kinda makes me think a blockbuster is in the waiting wings. I do like Waiters, but not enough to trade MKG for him

Yeah something's afoot in Cleveland for sure.

The main issue with Charlotte is that they haven't been able to accumulate a lot of pieces. I could be remembering wrong, but I think the Bobcats were the team that kept getting screwed in the lottery every year despite having bad records.

Basically they've yet to get that franchise-changing prospect, and there isn't a whole lot on that roster that attracts other teams. Losing definitely sucks (trust me, us Wiz fans know) but in the NBA sometimes that's the only chance a franchise has at pulling themselves out of the dumps.

[lmcguir5]

The Dion Waiters sweepstakes are open? MKG would probably be enough, Cleveland really needs an SF.

Waiters reportedly got pulled shortly after warmups and Bennett was out tonight with "illness". Kinda makes me think a blockbuster is in the waiting wings. I do like Waiters, but not enough to trade MKG for him

Yeah something's afoot in Cleveland for sure.

The main issue with Charlotte is that they haven't been able to accumulate a lot of pieces. I could be remembering wrong, but I think the Bobcats were the team that kept getting screwed in the lottery every year despite having bad records.

Basically they've yet to get that franchise-changing prospect, and there isn't a whole lot on that roster that attracts other teams. Losing definitely sucks (trust me, us Wiz fans know) but in the NBA sometimes that's the only chance a franchise has at pulling themselves out of the dumps.

Stern screwed us pretty hard out of Anthony Davis the strike year in which we won 7 games and last year we got the fourth pick, but that draft was weak anyway. Those two things are kinda why we spurn the tank talk, because losing hasn't netted us anything too special. Our biggest issue in the past has been poor drafts, but I digress. Best of luck this year with you guys, cheers

[Illmatic21]

Waiters reportedly got pulled shortly after warmups and Bennett was out tonight with "illness". Kinda makes me think a blockbuster is in the waiting wings. I do like Waiters, but not enough to trade MKG for him

Yeah something's afoot in Cleveland for sure.

The main issue with Charlotte is that they haven't been able to accumulate a lot of pieces. I could be remembering wrong, but I think the Bobcats were the team that kept getting screwed in the lottery every year despite having bad records.

Basically they've yet to get that franchise-changing prospect, and there isn't a whole lot on that roster that attracts other teams. Losing definitely sucks (trust me, us Wiz fans know) but in the NBA sometimes that's the only chance a franchise has at pulling themselves out of the dumps.

Stern screwed us pretty hard out of Anthony Davis the strike year in which we won 7 games and last year we got the fourth pick, but that draft was weak anyway. Those two things are kinda why we spurn the tank talk, because losing hasn't netted us anything too special. Our biggest issue in the past has been poor drafts, but I digress. Best of luck this year with you guys, cheers

Same to you. Unlike us at least you guys have a coach for the future lol. Clifford has really turned around that defense.

[hands11]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm

Charlotte just needs to keep it rolling. Target the right players with the cap space. Ben Gordon coming off the books. Team is young. Finally starting to win. Just draft well and wait for the right opportunity. MKG will get better.

Lots of people on this board wanted the Wizards to draft him.

Kembra, Gerald Henderson and Big Al is a nice baseline.

Maybe you want to trade MKG. That's just about cashing in potential for today production. Same would be true of Zeller.

[payitforward]

Good points all!

Any metrics that you have looked at for 2nd to 3rd year players. Paul George jumped out at me - but he took a big jump as a sophomore.

I don't have metrics on hand, but it's commonly stated that the 3rd year is when you can really see who a player is going to be.

George has made an impressive jump each year, but he became an All-Star his 3rd year. Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose. Wall would've been an All-Star if healthy. Klay Thompson seems to have made a jump this year as well.

I think Beal will average around 20ppg next year, but it'll be on better efficiency and he'll be getting to the line more. And hopefully he'll continue developing his ability to be a primary ballhandler.

Paul George took a significant jump his second year, but he played at that same level his third year -- the opposite of the point being made above. This year he has again made a significant improvement. He turned 23 in May, so he still has some development in him.

The "common" opinion that in his 3d year you can "really see who a player is" means something different -- after age about 24-25 guys peak. Back when most players came into the league after their senior year or sometimes their junior year, they often reached 24 in their 3d year -- so that was when you more or less knew what you had, and that's the source of the common statement.

It seems obvious that's not usually true any more, as players (and especially lottery picks) tend to come out after 1 year or maybe 2 in college. Bradley Beal is a 20 year old, a kid -- hell, we don't even know what position he'll play in a couple of years if he has another growth spurt in him! And he was drafted the day he turned 19!

[payitforward]

I refuse to purposely tank an entire year away. That's not how you build a team and the morale, I don't care what kind of franchise changing talent is at the end of the road. Our guys are getting better just by winning, especially after that win against Detroit tonight after being down 20. We went 28-120 over the past two years, its safe to say I am tired of the losing, especially blatant losing. Our fan base is probably most interested in a trade at this point, although most of us are tied pretty emotionally with MKG

The Dion Waiters sweepstakes are open? MKG would probably be enough, Cleveland really needs an SF.

Waiters reportedly got pulled shortly after warmups and Bennett was out tonight with "illness". Kinda makes me think a blockbuster is in the waiting wings. I do like Waiters, but not enough to trade MKG for him

No, not in a million years! Dion Waiters isn't even good -- hell he wasn't even all that good in college! He's a volume shooter, not much more.

MKG's numbers are a little down this year, but he looks to be a long-time NBA top-shelf player. He's 3 months younger than Beal!

You guys are in pretty good shape. One small move I'd make is to sign Jeff Adrien to a cheap 3-year deal: he's a useful player. Al Jefferson's numbers are somewhat down this year; I'd watch that and if they don't come up to his norm I'd try to trade him for youth/short-term salary before the deadline. That would give you tremendous cap flexibility and a good core of young players.

[hands11]

Good points all!

Any metrics that you have looked at for 2nd to 3rd year players. Paul George jumped out at me - but he took a big jump as a sophomore.

I don't have metrics on hand, but it's commonly stated that the 3rd year is when you can really see who a player is going to be.

George has made an impressive jump each year, but he became an All-Star his 3rd year. Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose. Wall would've been an All-Star if healthy. Klay Thompson seems to have made a jump this year as well.

I think Beal will average around 20ppg next year, but it'll be on better efficiency and he'll be getting to the line more. And hopefully he'll continue developing his ability to be a primary ballhandler.

Paul George took a significant jump his second year, but he played at that same level his third year -- the opposite of the point being made above. This year he has again made a significant improvement. He turned 23 in May, so he still has some development in him.

The "common" opinion that in his 3d year you can "really see who a player is" means something different -- after age about 24-25 guys peak. Back when most players came into the league after their senior year or sometimes their junior year, they often reached 24 in their 3d year -- so that was when you more or less knew what you had, and that's the source of the common statement.

It seems obvious that's not usually true any more, as players (and especially lottery picks) tend to come out after 1 year or maybe 2 in college. Bradley Beal is a 20 year old, a kid -- hell, we don't even know what position he'll play in a couple of years if he has another growth spurt in him! And he was drafted the day he turned 19!

I think its pretty clear he is a SG. Now he might be able to get some spot minutes at either SF or PG depending on how good his handles get, but it hard for me to imagine him not being a SG. But anything is possible I guess. But your point is taking. 2nd year player at 20 years old. Lots of game ahead of him.

[dckingsfan]

Wizards are 6-1 in the last 7 games Beal has played.

Again.

I saw the line up numbers and posted them several times. Nene was important. Beal was more important. Losing him produced the biggest delta in efficiency plus/minus.

Maybe that will be less this year if Otto gets it going so Webster can back up at SG and replace Beal if he misses some games, but this team injured and without one of Trevor A and Webster get crushed when it doesn't have Beal. They just aren't there yet. Any two of Trevor A, Webster and Beal out and OUCH. And clearly losing Nene or Gortat hurts a ton.

Webster, Trevor A and Beal. Gotta have at least two or they are hurting.

Healthy, this is a good team with a bench that can get it done and with young players that can grow playing n more vet line ups. To many injuries to the wrong places and they are just parts that aren't ready to step it up and get them through it. Wall isn't there enough yet to carry them. Then the only way to get by it over playing pieces that leads to more injuries and more disaster.

Right now is a great opportunity for this team to really develop both as a team and to get younger players like Ves, Kevin, etc to take a step up. Even Wall and Beal.

You had me until you started talking about vast improvements for Porter, Vesely and Seraphin this year. We have 7 legit players this year and that is about it... I think Porter will be fine over time but he won't really be able to contribute until next year - And Vesely, Seraphin and Singleton will be gone.

[hands11]

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... e-12-27-13

Post game interview

[Mickstix]

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos/bradley-beal-postgame-12-27-13

Post game interview

Thanks for the link! Hope he's ok, obviously.. Sounded pretty positive for the situation.. Good thoughts up to BB on a speedy recovery!!

[Induveca]

This kid is made of tissue paper.