Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[verbal8]

San Antonio probably isn't going to be able to afford Gortat nate. Not unless they get out of Duncan or Parker's deal for next season. They're at 56 million.

Storytellers.com has them at 43.4 million(with Duncan and Parker). If the cap is at 62 million, they have some operating room even with the cap holds for some of their smaller salaries. I don't think Diaw or Bonner will be back at anything near their current rates.

[hands11]

I think those are wise words. I'm really enjoying Ariza's play this season - he's been quite the 3 point sniper, but he does seem like the type who would play his best ball in a contract year. But the key with Ariza is keeping a good team around him - particularly with a creator guard who he can play off of (Kobe, Wall). When times are tough, he's had a tendency to mope. So just don't have tough times and just win!

I don't think its the contract year as much as his fit with the players around him. He fits perfectly here so he can focus on what he does without being asked to do things he doesn't do as well. The Wizards line up he plays in maximizes he skills so he is more efficient. He showed some of that last year as well and that wasn't a contract year.

The key word being "some". He didn't come to play in several games last season. It was obvious in his body language - and in his production. And that's what New Orleans fans said about him when he was traded here.

Yeah. But first year with the team. Lots of missed games due to injury. He and the team are clearly coming together this year and its looking like a great fit. 3 ball attempts are up to 6 a game and increase accuracy. That's a nice combination. Clearly his best year.

I think teams would look at his complete body of work and injuries and he comes out about where people are projecting. An important complimentary piece. Not a star. A player that needs to be in pretty much the exact position he is in on this team. Only thing I see him doing to raise his game from here is a little more of that pump fake drive he did last night. I think that is the limit of his ball handling skills. He isn't going to iso and create his own shot.

[Ruzious]

San Antonio probably isn't going to be able to afford Gortat nate. Not unless they get out of Duncan or Parker's deal for next season. They're at 56 million.

Storytellers.com has them at 43.4 million(with Duncan and Parker). If the cap is at 62 million, they have some operating room even with the cap holds for some of their smaller salaries. I don't think Diaw or Bonner will be back at anything near their current rates.

I think shamsports has it right - at 52.4 http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... /spurs.jsp. Add in Nando at 1.8 and a couple of minimum salary guys to fill out the roster, and they're not going to be able to afford Gortat unless... Duncan retires. I think Duncan plays 1 more year - and does the goodbye tour at every stadium - which should be pretty cool.

[LyricalRico]

^ Sign and trade Gortat for Ayers+Joseph+pick?

[Ruzious]

^ Sign and trade Gortat for Ayers+Joseph+pick?

How about some magic beans and top 60 protected 2nd round picks. I like Joseph a bit, but that's a pile of uncooked sewagio.

[stevemcqueen1]

^ Sign and trade Gortat for Ayers+Joseph+pick?

Those salaries wouldn't match up. Also, what would be our incentive to trade a quality starting C for a couple of end of the roster back ups and a late pick? I'm not understanding this deal at all.

[stevemcqueen1]

San Antonio probably isn't going to be able to afford Gortat nate. Not unless they get out of Duncan or Parker's deal for next season. They're at 56 million.

Storytellers.com has them at 43.4 million(with Duncan and Parker). If the cap is at 62 million, they have some operating room even with the cap holds for some of their smaller salaries. I don't think Diaw or Bonner will be back at anything near their current rates.

I think shamsports has it right - at 52.4 http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... /spurs.jsp. Add in Nando at 1.8 and a couple of minimum salary guys to fill out the roster, and they're not going to be able to afford Gortat unless... Duncan retires. I think Duncan plays 1 more year - and does the goodbye tour at every stadium - which should be pretty cool.

Yeah I think Duncan plays another year. Then his contract will be up and retirement will be very simple. It will be cool. One of the games greatest ever, retiring with the same team he played his whole career and carried to new heights. Low maintenance and humble, not going to MJ or Brett Favre us. A paragon of the sport.

I think the future of San Antonio is working out a deal with Parker (might be a little pricey since it'll probably be his last big contract) and then paying market value for Leonard as Duncan and Ginobli retire. That doesn't match up to them making a big purchase in FA this summer.

Although I'm still not convinced Gortat is playing well enough to make bank this summer. Still feels like 10 million per is pretty high for him.

[LyricalRico]

^ Sign and trade Gortat for Ayers+Joseph+pick?

How about some magic beans and top 60 protected 2nd round picks. I like Joseph a bit, but that's a pile of uncooked sewagio.

^ Sign and trade Gortat for Ayers+Joseph+pick?

Those salaries wouldn't match up. Also, what would be our incentive to trade a quality starting C for a couple of end of the roster back ups and a late pick? I'm not understanding this deal at all.

I was actually responding to somebody above that suggested that the Spurs were a threat to sign Gortat next summer, but may not have the cap space. I was just playing off that idea and suggesting something that would allow them to fit Gortat under the cap and ensure we don't lose him for nothing.

[Ruzious]

Storytellers.com has them at 43.4 million(with Duncan and Parker). If the cap is at 62 million, they have some operating room even with the cap holds for some of their smaller salaries. I don't think Diaw or Bonner will be back at anything near their current rates.

I think shamsports has it right - at 52.4 http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... /spurs.jsp. Add in Nando at 1.8 and a couple of minimum salary guys to fill out the roster, and they're not going to be able to afford Gortat unless... Duncan retires. I think Duncan plays 1 more year - and does the goodbye tour at every stadium - which should be pretty cool.

Yeah I think Duncan plays another year. Then his contract will be up and retirement will be very simple. It will be cool. One of the games greatest ever, retiring with the same team he played his whole career and carried to new heights. Low maintenance and humble, not going to MJ or Brett Favre us. A paragon of the sport.

I think the future of San Antonio is working out a deal with Parker (might be a little pricey since it'll probably be his last big contract) and then paying market value for Leonard as Duncan and Ginobli retire. That doesn't match up to them making a big purchase in FA this summer.

Although I'm still not convinced Gortat is playing well enough to make bank this summer. Still feels like 10 million per is pretty high for him.

Yeah, Duncan is one of a kind.

And it'd be hard to justify paying Gortat more than Duncan (who's been a ridiculous bargain at 10 mil per). It'll be interesting to see if Splitter is up to being their prime big man. No doubt he's good, but he's more of a complimentary player. One way or another, I think SA's always going to remain a good team. But if Parker loses a step - which can happen suddenly to PG's - they might have to make a tough choice. Heck, Boston made the tough choice, and now they're still in playoff contention - even without their best player.

[hands11]

I wonder if San Antonio might have serious interest in Ariza. They would have to play Leonard and Ariza some at Stretch-4, but they could get Leonard 30 minutes and Ariza 25 to 30 minutes. I think San Antonio may be willing to overpay to get a shorter/more team friendly deal in free agency. While Ariza isn't a major position of need for them, he does seem like their type of player.

San Antonio doesn't pay role players big money. They find underrated role players and plug them into their system where they can excel. I can't see San Antonio paying $8M a year for 25-30 mpg 3&D wing like Ariza. I'd expect them to sign somebody like Brandon Rush for peanuts instead.

The issue with San Antonio is that there's a good chance they go after Gortat.

Hmm. Ya think they would ? He is foreign. They seem to like that.

Does he really fit their mold though? He seems just a little less athletic then they prefer. Or if not athletic, big, or good handles. Or a good shooter. He doesn't seem to shine enough in any one areas.

I can see why you could consider him there. He seems boarder line their type. Just not sure if he is totally their type. Maybe he is. Where as TA. I think he fits there really well. But again, I think his sweet spot is MLE money.

Besides, SA has Splitter and Duncan for now. After paying them and Parker and Manu, you are looking at 5/6M money with them. Gortat is likely to get a little more then that.

[hands11]

My main target right now is a new backup PG. Temple is terrible. He's Maynor tier, just isn't as flashy in how bad he is. A more subtle poop that doesn't appear as bloated and warped as Maynor, but still contains the same stink.

He won't make your jaw drop with "my god that was a dumb shot" but the result is the same--a 33% TS with a complete inability to run an offense.

I'd love to get Jimmer. He'd help us stretch the floor off the bench.

Jimmer ? As in Jimmer Fredette ? Not seeing it.

At this stage of the game they have some solid pieces. They also have some big questions.

Lots of players could stay or go. But with the core PG, SG and SF look more settled then the front court. At least there are more interesting options. I think the next piece you add to the guards is all about fit. Personality included. What I think they need there is a CJM type. Good enough to play some PG, good enough to create as a SG. Easy personality. Decent defender. Someone who can fast break. CJM would be damn bear a perfect fit here.

Crawford with a better persona would have been ideal as well. I think thats the skill set they need. Not sure that is Jimmer.

I'm still sticking with what I have leaned toward since they singed TA and Okafor. I think they will keep TA if they can. I think they might even try to get Okafor back cheap. They will even lean toward keeping Kevin S and Ves if they can but cheaper.

The moves I think they make are borderline unless they have to do more. Singleton or Booker. Maybe they replace Glen. Maynor get moved if they find something better. But this team is gelling and getting better. They have 3 solid 5 man line ups. Problem is, it involves only 6 players right now. Maybe Otto makes that 7.

One more front court player and one more combo guard is what I think they are evaluating.

That and HC and GM. They need to draft well moving forward to make this work. I think they are in a 2 year cycle to see what that brings between now and 2016 so no long term contracts unless under 4M.

[hands11]

Storytellers.com has them at 43.4 million(with Duncan and Parker). If the cap is at 62 million, they have some operating room even with the cap holds for some of their smaller salaries. I don't think Diaw or Bonner will be back at anything near their current rates.

I think shamsports has it right - at 52.4 http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... /spurs.jsp. Add in Nando at 1.8 and a couple of minimum salary guys to fill out the roster, and they're not going to be able to afford Gortat unless... Duncan retires. I think Duncan plays 1 more year - and does the goodbye tour at every stadium - which should be pretty cool.

Although I'm still not convinced Gortat is playing well enough to make bank this summer. Still feels like 10 million per is pretty high for him.

And where were you when I said that and got ambushed.

[nuposse04]

Jan+maynor+Singleton+'15 2nd for M. Williams. we finally get out stretch 4. Wall could possibly make Williams rich.

[mhd]

Jan+maynor+Singleton+'15 2nd for M. Williams. we finally get out stretch 4. Wall could possibly make Williams rich.

LOVE the trade. Marvin Williams would be an interesting target as a stretch PF. We could call any backup PG from the D-league.

[payitforward]

I think shamsports has it right - at 52.4 http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... /spurs.jsp. Add in Nando at 1.8 and a couple of minimum salary guys to fill out the roster, and they're not going to be able to afford Gortat unless... Duncan retires. I think Duncan plays 1 more year - and does the goodbye tour at every stadium - which should be pretty cool.

Although I'm still not convinced Gortat is playing well enough to make bank this summer. Still feels like 10 million per is pretty high for him.

And where were you when I said that and got ambushed.

Ambushed? Do you mean people pointed out that he'd almost certainly get that much or more? And he will.

Compare his numbers w/ Nikola Pekovic -- they are virtually identical in TS% (Pekovic shoots more -- his team has a non-shooting starter at PG). Pekovic is a better offensive rebounder, but Gortat is better on the defensive boards (this leaves Pekovic a little the superior player as a rebounder however). Gortat blocks more and gets more assists.

Not much to choose between them, though overall it would be sensible to prefer Pekovic by a little bit if you had a free choice. Nikola Pekovic is signed for $12m+ through 2016. Gotta think Gortat will get a payday North of $10m.

[hands11]

Although I'm still not convinced Gortat is playing well enough to make bank this summer. Still feels like 10 million per is pretty high for him.

And where were you when I said that and got ambushed.

Ambushed? Do you mean people pointed out that he'd almost certainly get that much or more? And he will.

Compare his numbers w/ Nikola Pekovic -- they are virtually identical in TS% (Pekovic shoots more -- his team has a non-shooting starter at PG). Pekovic is a better offensive rebounder, but Gortat is better on the defensive boards (this leaves Pekovic a little the superior player as a rebounder however). Gortat blocks more and gets more assists.

Not much to choose between them, though overall it would be sensible to prefer Pekovic by a little bit if you had a free choice. Nikola Pekovic is signed for $12m+ through 2016. Gotta think Gortat will get a payday North of $10m.

Pek is 6-11 285 27 year old tank. He is averaging 17.5 and 9 and got signed as a core of that team for many years. Getting that player at 12M a year is more then reasonable. MIN did good to lock him up at that price.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... la-pekovic

His size affect the entire game. He is just massive. He is almost Shaq sized. He gets to the line 5 times a game. He has a completely different kind of impact on the game then Gortat.

[MikeTheKid]

Guys can we trade Fart, Temple and anyone else for Andre Miller who looks to be falling out in Denver now that there going younger

[fishercob]

Guys can we trade Fart, Temple and anyone else for Andre Miller who looks to be falling out in Denver now that there going younger

Miller would be a big upgrade at backup point, and he may have sufficiently torpedoed his value to the point that we can get them to take Maynor -- he seems like a Brian Shaw guy


Maynor, Singleton and Harrington for Miller!

[verbal8]

Guys can we trade Fart, Temple and anyone else for Andre Miller who looks to be falling out in Denver now that there going younger

Miller would be a big upgrade at backup point, and he may have sufficiently torpedoed his value to the point that we can get them to take Maynor -- he seems like a Brian Shaw guy


Maynor, Singleton and Harrington for Miller!

I think it takes Seraphin or Vesley to get them to bite, but I think it could be a good deal for both sides. For Washington it adds a quality bench player. For Denver they get rid of a potential distraction. In terms of next year Miller's deal is declining and only guaranteed for $2 million, so it is pretty low risk.

For Denver they get a look at a young player and acquire a player who won't be a distraction if he is benched.

[Rafael122]

Yep, I would jump at a trade for Andre Miller, and isn't their GM a former Wizards organization member? I'd work the phones and see what can be done.