Knicks Begin Exploring Trade Options With J.R. Smith

[Scalabrine]

Your right, not many franchise changing free agents have signed with the New York name. They also havent had any capspace in the past 10 years other then in 2010.

That's because the organization is such a mess they always spent money like a drunk sailor.
They didn't have capspace because they were idiots.

The one year in the past 10 years the have had capspace the signed Amare Stoudemire, who did change the franchise and was one of the top 5 free agents in a free agency class that had LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Joe Johnson, DLee, Pierce, etc...

Yeah, Amare was quite a steal.


Especially since nobody wanted to insure his contract.
He did lead the league in fire-estinguisher punching, though.

Its not that players dont want to play/live in New York, its more the fact that they want to make money, and if the Knicks can offer the same money as another team, I still think most players would have them near the top of their lists.. they just never put themselves in position too... after next season they should have a lot of space in another big year in free agency.

Don't lie. New York could offer Lebron just as much money as Miami did.
Lebron just didn't want to go to NY because the Knicks incompetence is renowned (everyone knows except the Knicks fan base, apparently), and he wanted to win titles.

The guy who actually wanted the money (Melo) forced his way to NY, and the Knicks were dumb enough to sell the farm instead of telling him to wait till summer and signed him as a FA. If he cared about winning, he'd have given up a little money. But he didn't.

Well Amare at the time was an all star big man, one of the best scorers in the game, and had a great first season in New York. LeBron didnt decide against New York, if New York could have brought in Wade and Bosh with him then he would have signed with NY. Miami has the unique advantage of state income taxes, so while accepting less money, they are really making about the same as a maxed out Melo makes in NY, they also already had a star that was able to recruit prior to free agency... both major advantage. You missed my point though, Amare was one of the top free agents in that class, probably the best that didnt sign with Miami, and he chose NY. Yeah it hasnt worked out like we hoped, but at the time, he was a star.

Also, we did not give "the farm" for Melo. We swapped average point guards (Felton for Billups), and two young often injured players that now make about the same amount as Melo combined and play the same position. They would have been bench players! Splitting the 28 minutes at the 3/4 they would have gotten behind Melo/Amare. The biggest regrets so far in that deal was throwing in Mozgov and waiving Corey Brewer, I would love to still have both of them on the Knicks. Wilson Chandler is overpaid and wouldnt have been resigned had we signed Melo, and we will see how Gallinari is when he gets back but he would have been a backup on our team...

[Scalabrine]

I don't hate them. I am just amazed at how ridiculously out of touch with reality they are. Not all, but many.

Your post says other wise. Nothing about what Scal said was out of touch. You just don't like what he said.

Say what you what but NY is NY. It's the biggest city in the world. That in itself means something. Win here and you can win anywhere.

STAT was top 3 of that 2010 FA class. Did that work out? No. Did we say it did? No

You bring up Lebron, but the last time I checked MIA had room for three not just two. Flip situations and who knows.

You don't have to like Melo, but he's is one of the best players in the NBA hands down. Just because he wears a Knick jersey does not change that.

One of the best scorers but far from one of the best players.

There are 450 player in the NBA, he is without question a top 20 player, and many would argue hes top 10. So hes in the Top 10% of players in the NBA, in the education system that would be an A... definitely one of the best.

[your boy]

I don't hate them. I am just amazed at how ridiculously out of touch with reality they are. Not all, but many.

Your post says other wise. Nothing about what Scal said was out of touch. You just don't like what he said.

Say what you what but NY is NY. It's the biggest city in the world. That in itself means something. Win here and you can win anywhere.

STAT was top 3 of that 2010 FA class. Did that work out? No. Did we say it did? No

You bring up Lebron, but the last time I checked MIA had room for three not just two. Flip situations and who knows.

You don't have to like Melo, but he's is one of the best players in the NBA hands down. Just because he wears a Knick jersey does not change that.

One of the best scorers but far from one of the best players.

fast from one of the best players in the nba? Hell no

[DangerG]

Shows how dumb Knicks management is yet again. Here is a player we cant control and is having a horrible season so we want to trade him now when his value is at its absolute lowest. Plus this will make feebleminded JR play even ****... They should have waited until the offseason to trade him. Hopefully he could turn it around for a couple of months at the end of the season to gain some value or they could make up some BS in the summer or teams can think that maybe he will get his act together for next season. This was a dumb move cuz this season is already lost. Now they cause more unrest in the locker room create a bigger mess... see ya later Anthony LA maybe?

[The Watcher]

you care too much about a fan base you hate....

I don't hate them. I am just amazed at how ridiculously out of touch with reality they are. Not all, but many.

Your post says other wise. Nothing about what Scal said was out of touch. You just don't like what he said.

Say what you what but NY is NY. It's the biggest city in the world. That in itself means something. Win here and you can win anywhere.

STAT was top 3 of that 2010 FA class. Did that work out? No. Did we say it did? No

You bring up Lebron, but the last time I checked MIA had room for three not just two. Flip situations and who knows.

You don't have to like Melo, but he's is one of the best players in the NBA hands down. Just because he wears a Knick jersey does not change that.

New York is not the biggest city in the world. Do a bit of reasearch before reciting things as facts, will ya?

[The Watcher]

Your right, not many franchise changing free agents have signed with the New York name. They also havent had any capspace in the past 10 years other then in 2010.

That's because the organization is such a mess they always spent money like a drunk sailor.
They didn't have capspace because they were idiots.

The one year in the past 10 years the have had capspace the signed Amare Stoudemire, who did change the franchise and was one of the top 5 free agents in a free agency class that had LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Joe Johnson, DLee, Pierce, etc...

Yeah, Amare was quite a steal.


Especially since nobody wanted to insure his contract.
He did lead the league in fire-estinguisher punching, though.

Its not that players dont want to play/live in New York, its more the fact that they want to make money, and if the Knicks can offer the same money as another team, I still think most players would have them near the top of their lists.. they just never put themselves in position too... after next season they should have a lot of space in another big year in free agency.

Don't lie. New York could offer Lebron just as much money as Miami did.
Lebron just didn't want to go to NY because the Knicks incompetence is renowned (everyone knows except the Knicks fan base, apparently), and he wanted to win titles.

The guy who actually wanted the money (Melo) forced his way to NY, and the Knicks were dumb enough to sell the farm instead of telling him to wait till summer and signed him as a FA. If he cared about winning, he'd have given up a little money. But he didn't.

Well Amare at the time was an all star big man, one of the best scorers in the game, and had a great first season in New York. LeBron didnt decide against New York, if New York could have brought in Wade and Bosh with him then he would have signed with NY. Miami has the unique advantage of state income taxes, so while accepting less money, they are really making about the same as a maxed out Melo makes in NY, they also already had a star that was able to recruit prior to free agency... both major advantage. You missed my point though, Amare was one of the top free agents in that class, probably the best that didnt sign with Miami, and he chose NY. Yeah it hasnt worked out like we hoped, but at the time, he was a star.

Also, we did not give "the farm" for Melo. We swapped average point guards (Felton for Billups), and two young often injured players that now make about the same amount as Melo combined and play the same position. They would have been bench players! Splitting the 28 minutes at the 3/4 they would have gotten behind Melo/Amare. The biggest regrets so far in that deal was throwing in Mozgov and waiving Corey Brewer, I would love to still have both of them on the Knicks. Wilson Chandler is overpaid and wouldnt have been resigned had we signed Melo, and we will see how Gallinari is when he gets back but he would have been a backup on our team...

You conveniently forgot to mention the TOP 5 PICK in the DEEPEST DRAFT IN A DECADE when you went through the assets that you gave up for Melo. And now he's gonna leave, and your team will get nothing in return.

That's why nobody wants to sign with the Knicks. They are simply the worst managed team in pro sports.

[Greenie]

I don't hate them. I am just amazed at how ridiculously out of touch with reality they are. Not all, but many.

Your post says other wise. Nothing about what Scal said was out of touch. You just don't like what he said.

Say what you what but NY is NY. It's the biggest city in the world. That in itself means something. Win here and you can win anywhere.

STAT was top 3 of that 2010 FA class. Did that work out? No. Did we say it did? No

You bring up Lebron, but the last time I checked MIA had room for three not just two. Flip situations and who knows.

You don't have to like Melo, but he's is one of the best players in the NBA hands down. Just because he wears a Knick jersey does not change that.

One of the best scorers but far from one of the best players.

The Devil is a lie.

[Greenie]

Your post says other wise. Nothing about what Scal said was out of touch. You just don't like what he said.

Say what you what but NY is NY. It's the biggest city in the world. That in itself means something. Win here and you can win anywhere.

STAT was top 3 of that 2010 FA class. Did that work out? No. Did we say it did? No

You bring up Lebron, but the last time I checked MIA had room for three not just two. Flip situations and who knows.

You don't have to like Melo, but he's is one of the best players in the NBA hands down. Just because he wears a Knick jersey does not change that.

One of the best scorers but far from one of the best players.

fast from one of the best players in the nba? Hell no

???

[Greenie]

I don't hate them. I am just amazed at how ridiculously out of touch with reality they are. Not all, but many.

Your post says other wise. Nothing about what Scal said was out of touch. You just don't like what he said.

Say what you what but NY is NY. It's the biggest city in the world. That in itself means something. Win here and you can win anywhere.

STAT was top 3 of that 2010 FA class. Did that work out? No. Did we say it did? No

You bring up Lebron, but the last time I checked MIA had room for three not just two. Flip situations and who knows.

You don't have to like Melo, but he's is one of the best players in the NBA hands down. Just because he wears a Knick jersey does not change that.

New York is not the biggest city in the world. Do a bit of reasearch before reciting things as facts, will ya?

My bad. NY is just the biggest city in the US and is regarded as the financial, media and cultural capital of the world. NY is NY whether you like it our not. Stay pressed.

research*

[Greenie]

That's because the organization is such a mess they always spent money like a drunk sailor.
They didn't have capspace because they were idiots.



Yeah, Amare was quite a steal.


Especially since nobody wanted to insure his contract.
He did lead the league in fire-estinguisher punching, though.



Don't lie. New York could offer Lebron just as much money as Miami did.
Lebron just didn't want to go to NY because the Knicks incompetence is renowned (everyone knows except the Knicks fan base, apparently), and he wanted to win titles.

The guy who actually wanted the money (Melo) forced his way to NY, and the Knicks were dumb enough to sell the farm instead of telling him to wait till summer and signed him as a FA. If he cared about winning, he'd have given up a little money. But he didn't.

Well Amare at the time was an all star big man, one of the best scorers in the game, and had a great first season in New York. LeBron didnt decide against New York, if New York could have brought in Wade and Bosh with him then he would have signed with NY. Miami has the unique advantage of state income taxes, so while accepting less money, they are really making about the same as a maxed out Melo makes in NY, they also already had a star that was able to recruit prior to free agency... both major advantage. You missed my point though, Amare was one of the top free agents in that class, probably the best that didnt sign with Miami, and he chose NY. Yeah it hasnt worked out like we hoped, but at the time, he was a star.

Also, we did not give "the farm" for Melo. We swapped average point guards (Felton for Billups), and two young often injured players that now make about the same amount as Melo combined and play the same position. They would have been bench players! Splitting the 28 minutes at the 3/4 they would have gotten behind Melo/Amare. The biggest regrets so far in that deal was throwing in Mozgov and waiving Corey Brewer, I would love to still have both of them on the Knicks. Wilson Chandler is overpaid and wouldnt have been resigned had we signed Melo, and we will see how Gallinari is when he gets back but he would have been a backup on our team...

You conveniently forgot to mention the TOP 5 PICK in the DEEPEST DRAFT IN A DECADE when you went through the assets that you gave up for Melo. And now he's gonna leave, and your team will get nothing in return.

That's why nobody wants to sign with the Knicks. They are simply the worst managed team in pro sports.

You don't know where that pick will fall. I bet by the end of the year it's not even a lotto pick. Your hate is strong my friend.

[Scalabrine]

That's because the organization is such a mess they always spent money like a drunk sailor.
They didn't have capspace because they were idiots.



Yeah, Amare was quite a steal.


Especially since nobody wanted to insure his contract.
He did lead the league in fire-estinguisher punching, though.



Don't lie. New York could offer Lebron just as much money as Miami did.
Lebron just didn't want to go to NY because the Knicks incompetence is renowned (everyone knows except the Knicks fan base, apparently), and he wanted to win titles.

The guy who actually wanted the money (Melo) forced his way to NY, and the Knicks were dumb enough to sell the farm instead of telling him to wait till summer and signed him as a FA. If he cared about winning, he'd have given up a little money. But he didn't.

Well Amare at the time was an all star big man, one of the best scorers in the game, and had a great first season in New York. LeBron didnt decide against New York, if New York could have brought in Wade and Bosh with him then he would have signed with NY. Miami has the unique advantage of state income taxes, so while accepting less money, they are really making about the same as a maxed out Melo makes in NY, they also already had a star that was able to recruit prior to free agency... both major advantage. You missed my point though, Amare was one of the top free agents in that class, probably the best that didnt sign with Miami, and he chose NY. Yeah it hasnt worked out like we hoped, but at the time, he was a star.

Also, we did not give "the farm" for Melo. We swapped average point guards (Felton for Billups), and two young often injured players that now make about the same amount as Melo combined and play the same position. They would have been bench players! Splitting the 28 minutes at the 3/4 they would have gotten behind Melo/Amare. The biggest regrets so far in that deal was throwing in Mozgov and waiving Corey Brewer, I would love to still have both of them on the Knicks. Wilson Chandler is overpaid and wouldnt have been resigned had we signed Melo, and we will see how Gallinari is when he gets back but he would have been a backup on our team...

You conveniently forgot to mention the TOP 5 PICK in the DEEPEST DRAFT IN A DECADE when you went through the assets that you gave up for Melo. And now he's gonna leave, and your team will get nothing in return.

That's why nobody wants to sign with the Knicks. They are simply the worst managed team in pro sports.

Top 5 pick?

The Knicks right now would give up the 7th pick, but they are getting better while other teams are starting to flounder. They are also only 1.5 games out of the playoffs which bumps that pick down to 15, and then just 5 games out of the 4th seed which will bump that pick down even further. I still think its unlikely they give up a top 10 pick but even if they do... thats the biggest value they gave up for Melo. Your a hater dude, your blinded by it... They are still in a fine position, they are gonna have about 35 million in capspace in 2015, and about 50 million in space if Melo doesnt resign. Your blowing it way out of proportion.

[The Watcher]

Well Amare at the time was an all star big man, one of the best scorers in the game, and had a great first season in New York. LeBron didnt decide against New York, if New York could have brought in Wade and Bosh with him then he would have signed with NY. Miami has the unique advantage of state income taxes, so while accepting less money, they are really making about the same as a maxed out Melo makes in NY, they also already had a star that was able to recruit prior to free agency... both major advantage. You missed my point though, Amare was one of the top free agents in that class, probably the best that didnt sign with Miami, and he chose NY. Yeah it hasnt worked out like we hoped, but at the time, he was a star.

Also, we did not give "the farm" for Melo. We swapped average point guards (Felton for Billups), and two young often injured players that now make about the same amount as Melo combined and play the same position. They would have been bench players! Splitting the 28 minutes at the 3/4 they would have gotten behind Melo/Amare. The biggest regrets so far in that deal was throwing in Mozgov and waiving Corey Brewer, I would love to still have both of them on the Knicks. Wilson Chandler is overpaid and wouldnt have been resigned had we signed Melo, and we will see how Gallinari is when he gets back but he would have been a backup on our team...

You conveniently forgot to mention the TOP 5 PICK in the DEEPEST DRAFT IN A DECADE when you went through the assets that you gave up for Melo. And now he's gonna leave, and your team will get nothing in return.

That's why nobody wants to sign with the Knicks. They are simply the worst managed team in pro sports.

Top 5 pick?

The Knicks right now would give up the 7th pick, but they are getting better while other teams are starting to flounder. They are also only 1.5 games out of the playoffs which bumps that pick down to 15, and then just 5 games out of the 4th seed which will bump that pick down even further. I still think its unlikely they give up a top 10 pick but even if they do... thats the biggest value they gave up for Melo. Your a hater dude, your blinded by it... They are still in a fine position, they are gonna have about 35 million in capspace in 2015, and about 50 million in space if Melo doesnt resign. Your blowing it way out of proportion.

A few things to mention in response:

1) Regardless of it's final position, you completely failed to metion the unprotected draft pick when trying to justify why the Melo deal was not disastrous for the Knicks. Failed to mention it entirely, even though "that's the biggest value they gave up for Melo" (your words). And I'm the one who is blinded by their love/hate of a team? Get real.

2) You act like $35-50 million in cap space in two years is a good thing when your team sucks now. Sure you may have space in two years, but in the meantime, it's got to be tough to be a Knicks fan: crappy team, no good young talent, no picks, booing fans, and rolling out Amare's crippled shell of his former self every night while he gets paid like one of the best players in the league. Regardless of market size or quality, who would want to sign there considering the management is so inept in every way possible? Although I am (admittedly) a major Knicks hater, I wouldn't say I'm blowing it way out of proportion. It's a disaster in every way possible, and you Knicks fans like to think that "it's not so bad".

It hurts, I get it. I have cheered on a team that has been bad since it's inception (and still aren't top contenders, by any means). If your team wasn't a division rival I might even feel sorry for you Knicks fans, but please don't attempt to spray perfume on a peice of poop and tell me it's roses - that's the reason why RealGM posters hate Knicks fans!

/rant

[crazymaso]

you raptors fans are pathetic.

this team finished with 50+ win and got 2nd place in east.
admit it, this is your wet dream

this year we'll be in playoffs and maybe go for 2nd round.
for 2015 we're open for free agents. we got "new york" name, market. k.love, r.rondo and others consider to come here seriously.

your team sucks, you gone for 7-3 run and its big deal for you guys. we all know last 5 year is disaster for raptors.
also when i look your future that team would be in playoff race for next years.
if you guys tank this year you can rebuild and get a good future. we dont have our pick so we cant for this year that sucks. you had it but you're not going to right way.

How many franchise changing free agents have signed with the "New York" name over the past 10 years?

How many championships have this led them to?

Knick fans..when will they stop being so delusional about players actually wanting to play for them just because they are called New York.

Also lol @ 2nd round. New York will be lucky to make it to the 7th spot at best. They will be playing against Miami / Pacers in the first round.

Your right, not many franchise changing free agents have signed with the New York name. They also havent had any capspace in the past 10 years other then in 2010.

The one year in the past 10 years the have had capspace the signed Amare Stoudemire, who did change the franchise and was one of the top 5 free agents in a free agency class that had LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Joe Johnson, DLee, Pierce, etc...

Its not that players dont want to play/live in New York, its more the fact that they want to make money, and if the Knicks can offer the same money as another team, I still think most players would have them near the top of their lists.. they just never put themselves in position too... after next season they should have a lot of space in another big year in free agency.

Amare changed the franchise? Are you kidding me?

The season Amare signed, yeah the Knicks improved...to an amazing 42-40. Maybe some will argue it's because they butchered their team to get Melo. Well, before the All Star break the Knicks were 28-26.

Look the whole New York thing is a joke for the NBA. Barely any top quality players want to play for them. Ever since Ewing was traded, the Knicks have been a joke of a franchise. They have made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs ONCE since then.

The Knicks have always been so poorly managed...it's a very big reason why players most likely won't play for them. It's also a big reason why people want to play for Lakers - they have a history of being successful and great management.

[crazymaso]

Well Amare at the time was an all star big man, one of the best scorers in the game, and had a great first season in New York. LeBron didnt decide against New York, if New York could have brought in Wade and Bosh with him then he would have signed with NY. Miami has the unique advantage of state income taxes, so while accepting less money, they are really making about the same as a maxed out Melo makes in NY, they also already had a star that was able to recruit prior to free agency... both major advantage. You missed my point though, Amare was one of the top free agents in that class, probably the best that didnt sign with Miami, and he chose NY. Yeah it hasnt worked out like we hoped, but at the time, he was a star.

Also, we did not give "the farm" for Melo. We swapped average point guards (Felton for Billups), and two young often injured players that now make about the same amount as Melo combined and play the same position. They would have been bench players! Splitting the 28 minutes at the 3/4 they would have gotten behind Melo/Amare. The biggest regrets so far in that deal was throwing in Mozgov and waiving Corey Brewer, I would love to still have both of them on the Knicks. Wilson Chandler is overpaid and wouldnt have been resigned had we signed Melo, and we will see how Gallinari is when he gets back but he would have been a backup on our team...

You conveniently forgot to mention the TOP 5 PICK in the DEEPEST DRAFT IN A DECADE when you went through the assets that you gave up for Melo. And now he's gonna leave, and your team will get nothing in return.

That's why nobody wants to sign with the Knicks. They are simply the worst managed team in pro sports.

Top 5 pick?

The Knicks right now would give up the 7th pick, but they are getting better while other teams are starting to flounder. They are also only 1.5 games out of the playoffs which bumps that pick down to 15, and then just 5 games out of the 4th seed which will bump that pick down even further. I still think its unlikely they give up a top 10 pick but even if they do... thats the biggest value they gave up for Melo. Your a hater dude, your blinded by it... They are still in a fine position, they are gonna have about 35 million in capspace in 2015, and about 50 million in space if Melo doesnt resign. Your blowing it way out of proportion.

Just because a team has cap space, doesn't mean they will be good. You have to look at the DETAIL.

Why will the Knicks have 50 million in space? Because they will have only around 5 guaranteed contracts on the books. So in other words, they practically don't have a team.

Think about that. Do you know how hard it will be to convince max FA to sign with Knicks from the get go? They would MUCH rather join other teams that have established pieces, or wait for the Knicks to fill out their roster with a plan, not go by hope and verbal trust.

If they decide to save money for two FA, let's say avg 16M start salary - they will have around 15m (give or take maybe 17m) left. 13 players on the roster is minimum I believe.

- Knicks need to sign 8 players in 2015.
- Knicks will need to sign 6 players if we assume they get two star FA
- Knicks will have anywhere between 2-3M on average to spend across 6 players.

It's going to be tougher than most think to fill out a good roster. There best bet is to make trades next season using Chandler and Bargani and expiring incentives IMO.