Rookie impressions thread: PRESEASON/REGULAR SEASON

RoyalWun · Post #1441 » by **RoyalWun** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:51 pm

AussieBuck wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_BOkyq_H3E&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
This kid is so holy **** amazing that you'll start watching Bucks games.

His play STYLE reminds me of Durant coincidentally. The way he dribbles, uses his length, attacks the basket. The only difference is I see him trying harder on defense than KD.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #1442 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:57 pm

He has much better defensive potential than Durant, but of course his offensive game is not even close yet.

Shem · Post #1443 » by **Shem** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:59 pm

McCollum in his second NBA game scores 10 points in 13 minutes:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5oQ70l_HSw[/youtube]

Orlwillbeback · Post #1444 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:34 pm

Giannis is far and away the Bucks most talented player.

Wonka · Post #1445 » by **Wonka** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:50 pm

You guys think Giannis ends up on the 1st or 2nd All-Rookie team?

j-ragg · Post #1446 » by **j-ragg** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:14 pm

Burke
Oladipo
MCW
Giannis
Uhhh....Steven Adams?

It kinda works if you go by their size.

ComboGuardCity · Post #1447 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:29 pm

j-ragg wrote:Burke
Oladipo
MCW
Giannis
Uhhh....Steven Adams?

It kinda works if you go by their size.

Its not based on position anymore.

Post #1448 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:12 pm

What would McCollum have to do (on a winning Blazers team) to get into the conversation of Rising Stars, 1st/2ed team, ROY, ect?

MountainDrew · Post #1449 » by **MountainDrew** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:07 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:What would McCollum have to do (on a winning Blazers team) to get into the conversation of Rising Stars, 1st/2ed team, ROY, ect?

As long as he continues to play solid, he should be in the rising stars challenge and a good bet for Rookies 2nd team. He may have a shot at 1st team, but I doubt he gets the minutes to get there, and he won't have have a realistic chance at ROY imo.

I'm happy he's playing well, must be tough missing out on so much of the rookie season, but he's in a situation where he can ease into things on a winning team in Portland.

1st team should probably consist of:

MCW
Oladipo
Burke
Giannis
+ Somebody else. No one has really stuck out yet other than these 4 guys, who are locks in my eyes. Maybe KCP can play himself into it, I like that guys game.

Depth wise, this class has been terrible. But at the top, I think there are 3 guys who are very good bets to be allstars in the future. MCW and Oladipo have been producing, but still have a lot of potential to get better with their work ethics, physical gifts and good skill sets.

Giannis could really become a superstar. That dude is just so crazy, his potential is just through the roof. Is there anything he can't do? I've already seen him make 3pointers, but even the way he carries himself on the court, he plays hard, is unselfish but no to a fault, he's comitted to get better, is a genuienly good kid... The Bucks got an absolute steal. Now you never know whats going to happen, they might want dat 8th seed and trade him away for Omer Asik and Chandler Parsons (and some 2nd rounders) like they did with Tobias Harris, but it's hard to see them f things up what this big of a talent. The bucks future should be bright as long as there's no locker room riots and that kind of cool stuff.

Its hard to imagine a fanbase more deserving to get Giannis. Bucks have been terrible for a long time, nice that things are finally (even if accidentally) going their way.

method · Post #1450 » by **method** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:33 pm

MountainDrew wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:What would McCollum have to do (on a winning Blazers team) to get into the conversation of Rising Stars, 1st/2ed team, ROY, ect?

As long as he continues to play solid, he should be in the rising stars challenge and a good bet for Rookies 2nd team. He may have a shot at 1st team, but I doubt he gets the minutes to get there, and he won't have have a realistic chance at ROY imo.

I'm happy he's playing well, must be tough missing out on so much of the rookie season, but he's in a situation where he can ease into things on a winning team in Portland.

1st team should probably consist of:

MCW
Oladipo
Burke
Giannis
+ Somebody else. No one has really stuck out yet other than these 4 guys, who are locks in my eyes. Maybe KCP can play himself into it, I like that guys game.

Depth wise, this class has been terrible. But at the top, I think there are 3 guys who are very good bets to be allstars in the future. MCW and Oladipo have been producing, but still have a lot of potential to get better with their work ethics, physical gifts and good skill sets.

Giannis could really become a superstar. That dude is just so crazy, his potential is just through the roof. Is there anything he can't do? I've already seen him make 3pointers, but even the way he carries himself on the court, he plays hard, is unselfish but no to a fault, he's comitted to get better, is a genuienly good kid... The Bucks got an absolute steal. Now you never know whats going to happen, they might want dat 8th seed and trade him away for Omer Asik and Chandler Parsons (and some 2nd rounders) like they did with Tobias Harris, but it's hard to see them f things up what this big of a talent. The bucks future should be bright as long as there's no locker room riots and that kind of cool stuff.

Its hard to imagine a fanbase more deserving to get Giannis. Bucks have been terrible for a long time, nice that things are finally (even if accidentally) going their way.

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/?ls=iref:nba:gnav

ComboGuardCity · Post #1451 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:42 am

Giannnis looks more like Batum/Leonard type when I see him. I don't see him becoming Durant on offense. Still a great pick by the Bucks. They should be ecstatic.

Baddy Chuck · Post #1452 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:08 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:What would McCollum have to do (on a winning Blazers team) to get into the conversation of Rising Stars, 1st/2ed team, ROY, ect?

Play better then 5-10 other rookies?

whatchaknow · Post #1453 » by **whatchaknow** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:38 am

I think cj is gonna be great in Portlands high scoring offense.. He's gonna be a nice crafty scoring guard off the bench and help give Portland a real nice ball handler on the 2nd unit. It's encouraging that he got to double figures with very few touches, especially because some question whether he can be efficient enough to offset his size disadvantage. I don't see how he can get on the risings stars roster because he simply hasn't played enough

G-Heel · Post #1454 » by **G-Heel** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:31 am

AussieBuck wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_BOkyq_H3E&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
This kid is so holy **** amazing that you'll start watching Bucks games.

He looks really impressive. You know a player will be good if he has length/height + ball handling + athleticism, looks like he got all 3. How's his shot? If he has or can develop a jumper, then he'll be a star. Most potential out of everyone in this class, scary that he's still growing.

Post #1455 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:09 am

MountainDrew wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:What would McCollum have to do (on a winning Blazers team) to get into the conversation of Rising Stars, 1st/2ed team, ROY, ect?

As long as he continues to play solid, he should be in the rising stars challenge and a good bet for Rookies 2nd team. He may have a shot at 1st team, but I doubt he gets the minutes to get there, and he won't have have a realistic chance at ROY imo.

I'm happy he's playing well, must be tough missing out on so much of the rookie season, but he's in a situation where he can ease into things on a winning team in Portland.

1st team should probably consist of:

MCW
Oladipo
Burke
Giannis
+ Somebody else. No one has really stuck out yet other than these 4 guys, who are locks in my eyes. Maybe KCP can play himself into it, I like that guys game.

Depth wise, this class has been terrible. But at the top, I think there are 3 guys who are very good bets to be allstars in the future. MCW and Oladipo have been producing, but still have a lot of potential to get better with their work ethics, physical gifts and good skill sets.

Giannis could really become a superstar. That dude is just so crazy, his potential is just through the roof. Is there anything he can't do? I've already seen him make 3pointers, but even the way he carries himself on the court, he plays hard, is unselfish but no to a fault, he's comitted to get better, is a genuienly good kid... The Bucks got an absolute steal. Now you never know whats going to happen, they might want dat 8th seed and trade him away for Omer Asik and Chandler Parsons (and some 2nd rounders) like they did with Tobias Harris, but it's hard to see them f things up what this big of a talent. The bucks future should be bright as long as there's no locker room riots and that kind of cool stuff.

Its hard to imagine a fanbase more deserving to get Giannis. Bucks have been terrible for a long time, nice that things are finally (even if accidentally) going their way.

Good post. I was really more curious about statistically. I was wondering if, or to what degree, he would be held to the same standard as other rookies (at the very least, a more complete answer than "better than 5-10 other rookies" lol). I was basically inviting the discussion about relevance of rookie stats on bad vs good teams.

Like, IF (and believe me, I don't think its gonna happen) he became the 3rd leading scorer on the Blazers, would he have an edge against a MCW or Oladipo who were producing more on bad teams? Again, I do not believe this to be very likely, I was just initiating a discussion.

As toward Giannis.... I thought I was high on him before the draft. I actually correctly predicted him going to Milwaukee (one of my few successful predictions! lol) but even going to Milwaukee I thought would happen because he was underrated. I don't see him being an elite offensive player though, but I could see him surpass Batum as a scorer and triple double threat (and Batum is one of my favorite players lol). So while I could believe in him being the best player from this class when all is said and done, I don't see him being the ROY.

B-easy · Post #1456 » by **B-easy** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:24 am

Hopefully Giannis improves his dribble much like Durant did 2 years ago. He needs dribble to be a little lower and tighter. I think that should be his priority over his jumpshot.

Laazard · Post #1457 » by **Laazard** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:09 am

B-easy wrote:Hopefully Giannis improves his dribble much like Durant did 2 years ago. He needs dribble to be a little lower and tighter. I think that should be his priority over his jumpshot.

I disagree. His dribble is already VERY good.

dabadguy · Post #1458 » by **dabadguy** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:44 pm

Laazard wrote:
B-easy wrote:Hopefully Giannis improves his dribble much like Durant did 2 years ago. He needs dribble to be a little lower and tighter. I think that should be his priority over his jumpshot.

I disagree. His dribble is already VERY good.

his dribble is good in transition and when he's pushing the ball. when the game slows down and in a half court offense it needs work.

MountainDrew · Post #1459 » by **MountainDrew** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:35 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Good post. I was really more curious about statistically. I was wondering if, or to what degree, he would be held to the same standard as other rookies (at the very least, a more complete answer than "better than 5-10 other rookies" lol). I was basically inviting the discussion about relevance of rookie stats on bad vs good teams.

Like, IF (and believe me, I don't think its gonna happen) he became the 3rd leading scorer on the Blazers, would he have an edge against a MCW or Oladipo who were producing more on bad teams? Again, I do not believe this to be very likely, I was just initiating a discussion.

Even if he would bcome the 3rd leading scorer, he has virtually no chance at ROY imo. It happens sometimes that a roleplayer on a winning team gets an allstar appearance, but htat's mostly because the coaches seem to value it a lot (it usually also happens because the east sucks). ROY is a whole diffrent conversation altogether imo, because the NBA is also looking to hype an infividual player, and it's usually through big perfomance, no matter team record. Mccollum may very well become a solid contributor on the blazers, but consistancy is not enough if he doesn't average crazy stats.

Brapman · Post #1460 » by **Brapman** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:07 pm

PER doesn't do much (if anything) to measure defensive impact. THAT's the actual strength of this extremely weak draft. Giannis, MCW, Oladip and KCP are the 4 best rookie defenders in this class (among guys who most likely have the best futures of this entire rookie group. Each of those guys could develop into all-NBA defenders, and because of the fact that they've each got intriguing offensive potential bodes well for them. (Again, as a Pistons fan, I'll point out that we LOVE KCP's defense, his great stat in hardly ever turning the ball over, and we can all see that this guy could become a really fine scorer in this league. He's clearly capable of being a starter on very good teams, and the Pistons are finding him to be nearly indispensable because of his D and hustle. This kid is about as fast and agile as you get).

You can add Noel to that, maybe, depending on how he comes back. He was super-raw on offense coming into the draft, but has Anthony Davis like potential as a defender. We'll see about him in time, and we know that predicting rookies to succeed or fail is a very iffy thing. (See Bennett, possibly the worst #1 draft pick in league history).