Game 42: Wizards @ Suns

[Frank Lee]

.....Tucker should be starting and he is important to our team this season, but I really don't like him is all. I think he is not apart of our future and he will get a well deserved raise.

yup.... The decision will come down to $$$ with the FO. Is one Tucker worth two MoBros ? I think we free him up to look elsewhere, then consider the market price tag. No way we sign him if we need the space for Bled and whoever else McDo thinks we need. Really, the guy would be an excellent bench man.


I think the comparison to Matt Barnes is spot on. They are both hard nosed defenders who don't take crap and play with a chip. They have their limitations but excel in areas enough to overlook the inevitable brainfart....and as with this yr, playing for a contract. Barnes always seems to be playing for a contract. Brain farts add up apparently.

[Sunsdeuce]

.....Tucker should be starting and he is important to our team this season, but I really don't like him is all. I think he is not apart of our future and he will get a well deserved raise.

yup.... The decision will come down to $$$ with the FO. Is one Tucker worth two MoBros ? I think we free him up to look elsewhere, then consider the market price tag. No way we sign him if we need the space for Bled and whoever else McDo thinks we need. Really, the guy would be an excellent bench man.


I think the comparison to Matt Barnes is spot on. They are both hard nosed defenders who don't take crap and play with a chip. They have their limitations but excel in areas enough to overlook the inevitable brainfart....and as with this yr, playing for a contract. Barnes always seems to be playing for a contract. Brain farts add up apparently.

Cha Ching. Spot on.

[Sunsss]

We shot better, made more free throws, but still lost it. Turnovers and offensive rebounds killed us.

No more game threads for JTrain, anyone disagree?

[RunDogGun]

.....Tucker should be starting and he is important to our team this season, but I really don't like him is all. I think he is not apart of our future and he will get a well deserved raise.

yup.... The decision will come down to $$$ with the FO. Is one Tucker worth two MoBros ? I think we free him up to look elsewhere, then consider the market price tag. No way we sign him if we need the space for Bled and whoever else McDo thinks we need. Really, the guy would be an excellent bench man.


I think the comparison to Matt Barnes is spot on. They are both hard nosed defenders who don't take crap and play with a chip. They have their limitations but excel in areas enough to overlook the inevitable brainfart....and as with this yr, playing for a contract. Barnes always seems to be playing for a contract. Brain farts add up apparently.

The only reason I don't like the. Barnes comparison, is Barnes has turned into a goon. Often he seems to be looking to make the dirty play. Tucker isn't like that at all. Tough as nails, sure, but within the rules of the game. Bowen is more like Barnes. Both often look for the dirty play, which seems like intent to injury a player rather than stay within the rules. Also Bowen was allowed to full on grab guys with both hands, and that was somehow fine defense.

The Tucker hate I really don't understand, except when he does try to do too much.but that isn't every game, and it sure isn't every possession he has the ball. Some seem to forget his tip in, after Goran missed an easy one down the stretch. Moreover, Morris missed three free throws as well. I don't know why Tucker didn't pass it to Goran. Maybe he felt the defender had the spacing cut down, maybe he thought he would ruin the pass, or maybe he thought he had an easy basket because the defender gave him space. Overall, he only had one turnover, and we had guys throwing the ball right to Wiz players, Plumlee did it twice, and once down the stretch.

It was a poorly played game all around. Too many offensive rebounds given up, and way too many turnovers. The Wiz just outplayed us, and seemed to want the win more than we did.

[bigfoot]

I have one thing to say to the Tucker haters ... If he's not on our team next year you will hate him even more. He is one of those guys that gets under the skin of opponents and the opposing teams fans. Gritty, tough as nails, rebounds, a top defender, team leader, and doesn't whine about his touches. We would be stupid not to renew his contract. Anyone bitching about two missed free throws or a botched fast break completely overlooked the 21 turnovers (he only had 1) and 19 offensive rebounds (11 given up by our PFs to opposing PFs). That's where the game was lost.

[Revived]

If Tucker isnt on our team next year, chances are that he won't be starting anywhere else.

I'll admit that he's tough and a good rebounder for his size and position. Against Indiana, when they kept getting offensve rebounds off the glass on missed FTs and completing and-1 plays, Tucker was the one that battled the 7'2 Hibbert and drew the foul. I totally respect that.

However, that isn't a starting caliber player.

Last year for the Suns when he come off the bench to provide energy, it was perfect. He never over did anything and he played within the flow of the game.

The way we describe Tucker is the same way that Warriors fans describe Draymond Green (tough, good D, etc). And they would lose their mind if Green was their starting SF for the whole season.

[RunDogGun]

Thabo Sefelosha has started all but one game in six seasons with OKC. He only averages at most 7.5 points and 4.8 at lowest for OKC while he has been there and in the thirties for three point percentage, 32% this season. I think PJ could start for a few teams, who have decent scorers that need a guy to guard the other team's best wing.

[Revived]

I think Thabo is much more athletic and a better defender than Tucker.

Also, he's playing alongside the best scorer in the NBA and one of the best PGs in the NBA.

PJ could maybe start for teams with amazing scoring weapons but other than that, no.

[edcaz]

One of the positives for Tucker this game was that he was our only forward who wasn't out rebounded by Goran.

We were out rebounded by 14. The team needs to do better.

[Sunsdeuce]

I think Thabo is much more athletic and a better defender than Tucker.

Also, he's playing alongside the best scorer in the NBA and one of the best PGs in the NBA.

PJ could maybe start for teams with amazing scoring weapons but other than that, no.

Let's see if they want to trade thabo for tucker? That conversation would last as long as 5 seconds and the suns would get laughted at.

Bottomline is there are people on both sides of the tucker debate. Neither side is going to budge on their stance about him. And the suns are stuck with him unless we trade for a star and he is a throw in to make the trade work. For me personally, guess I'm going to have to suffer through him blowing scoring opportunities (which to me is the same as a turn over) for the rest of the season.

[RunDogGun]

We can debate all we want, but Hornacek thinks Tucker is a starter, and that's good enough for me. I'm guessing Jeff knows more than many of us.

[rsavaj]

I actually think Christmas can do everything Tucker can but better. Christmas can shoot lights out.

I actually think Christmas can do everything better Tucker can. Christmas can shoot lights out.

Plus Christmas hustled hard too like Tucker. Defensively, Tucker's probably better but not by much I am sure.

Alright my last point on tucker. I really believe he is holding this team back on many levels. Mainly reducing this teams effectiveness and stopping the growth of Marcus. He is the weak link.

Anyway good night all.

The Suns won't change the starting lineup.. They can't have Tucker come off the bench after how well they started. If anything, they will trade Tucker if they really want Morris or Christmas to start.

This is why I'm secretly hoping that Tucker suffers an injury.

Tucker's a nice guy and I typically don't wish injury on players but in this case it's in the best interest of the Suns. A not much painful injury but something that will keep him out for a while. Like a meniscus tear

What. The. Frak.

[i505]

No more game threads for JTrain, anyone disagree?

Game 8: L
Game 37: L
Game 39: L
Game 42: L

0-4. I do not disagree.

[Sunsdeuce]

I actually think Christmas can do everything Tucker can but better. Christmas can shoot lights out.

I actually think Christmas can do everything better Tucker can. Christmas can shoot lights out.

Plus Christmas hustled hard too like Tucker. Defensively, Tucker's probably better but not by much I am sure.

Alright my last point on tucker. I really believe he is holding this team back on many levels. Mainly reducing this teams effectiveness and stopping the growth of Marcus. He is the weak link.

Anyway good night all.

The Suns won't change the starting lineup.. They can't have Tucker come off the bench after how well they started. If anything, they will trade Tucker if they really want Morris or Christmas to start.

This is why I'm secretly hoping that Tucker suffers an injury.

Tucker's a nice guy and I typically don't wish injury on players but in this case it's in the best interest of the Suns. A not much painful injury but something that will keep him out for a while. Like a meniscus tear

What. The. Frak.

[Revived]

In the second half, the Wizards held the Suns to 37.8 percent shooting with 10 turnovers. They switched Trevor Ariza to Frye and Nene to Tucker so he could be a help defender while switching on everything else so Goran Dragic did not pick them apart coming off screens.

I think most SFs would abuse the mismatch with freaking Nene guarding them. Frye should have used the mismatch with Ariza as well.

[RunDogGun]

Well, putting up the stats about how many times that sf had the ball to take advantage of that situation might be helpful to come even close to proving a point.

[JTrain]

No more game threads for JTrain, anyone disagree?

Game 8: L
Game 37: L
Game 39: L
Game 42: L

0-4. I do not disagree.