Royal Rumble 2014

[Sebastian]

Just to throw this out there, and sorry for the triple post, but one of the turn offs I had personally with wrestling that drove me away was predictability. I can recall it happening twice. When HHH was GIVEN the WHC on RAW and went on his reign of terror, and John Cena's "beating all the odds/monster heels" run years later. Because neither one of them ever lost, it became predicatable and not entertaining because they never looked like they could ever lose, the streak, IMO, is becoming that, regardless if it's still a great match once a year.

Well, the nice thing about the streak is that it is just that one match a year. It's not like Taker comes back for 5 months going over everyone. It's a fun trip down memory lane every Wrestlemania season.

[kblo247]

Only one with a legit shot are Cena and yes Kane in a double retirement of both characters with a whole lot theatrics. Cena is likely going to be wrestling long after Punk and a bunch of others as he has already alluded to and he's Mr Company guy like Taker and Dallas is likely the place he challenges it.


They won't be burned giving it to a young guy though after what Brock did years ago

Having Cena or Kane break the streak does nothing for either of them. They've built it up, the point is the one that breaks the streak needs to be a guy that will carry the company. It has to be a young guy. That is if you've made the decision at some point to break the streak.

But based on all your posts, there's no point arguing this with you since to you it's all about Vince's bottom line and not what the right decision is for building the business going forward.

I don't see a logical young guy. Reigns and Big E are young, but like I said it makes no sense to give it to a young guy unless if you're locking them in long term. You need to know, not hope but know they are in it for a good 10 years or so barring a horrible injury. For a guy like Reigns or Langston to go over they would have to get deals similar to what Orton and Cena got which were 10 year deals. They won't just hope he stays ever again like Brock because he burned them

[kblo247]

Just to throw this out there, and sorry for the triple post, but one of the turn offs I had personally with wrestling that drove me away was predictability. I can recall it happening twice. When HHH was GIVEN the WHC on RAW and went on his reign of terror, and John Cena's "beating all the odds/monster heels" run years later. Because neither one of them ever lost, it became predicatable and not entertaining because they never looked like they could ever lose, the streak, IMO, is becoming that, regardless if it's still a great match once a year.

Well, the nice thing about the streak is that it is just that one match a year. It's not like Taker comes back for 5 months going over everyone. It's a fun trip down memory lane every Wrestlemania season.

I agree about the streak. Its an attraction. A spectacle for lack of a better word.

Now as for the post above yours, Austin lost 10 damn times in 3 years and rarely ever jobbed on a house show circuit (when he did he was screwed and still stunned everyone) yet people ignore it. Cena and Hunter were far less bullet proof than Austin

[whysoserious]

I don't see a logical young guy. Reigns and Big E are young, but like I said it makes no sense to give it to a young guy unless if you're locking them in long term. You need to know, not hope but know they are in it for a good 10 years or so barring a horrible injury. For a guy like Reigns or Langston to go over they would have to get deals similar to what Orton and Cena got which were 10 year deals. They won't just hope he stays ever again like Brock because he burned them

There's absolutely no way to know anything. There could be a Bret Hart breakup three years after. It's the same thing with Daniel Bryan, if you've got a young guy you feel is ready and Taker is on side, you're gonna have to take a leap of faith.

Even a 10 year deal doesn't guarantee jack squat. There's several guys that are good enough. Now look, I agree that you better be absolutely sure the guy can carry that mantle from beating Taker. It's more prestigious than the title as mentioned. You can eff up a title run with a Miz and it's forgotten, there's only one win over Taker at WM and you better be sure he's a guy worth it, anything that happens contractually or him sticking around there's nothing you can control with that.

But you're original premise of Cena or Kane is just outright stupid if I'm being honest. It does nothing for Cena and Kane and is a complete waste of that moment.

[jr lucosa]

I loved the Taker/Punk match last year, it was easily my favorite match of the night. I'm still a mark for Taker and it's not like we see him that often so I hope he still has a few more left in him.

[whysoserious]

I loved the Taker/Punk match last year, it was easily my favorite match of the night. I'm still a mark for Taker and it's not like we see him that often so I hope he still has a few more left in him.

Honestly, I love Taker too. Pretty much a career WWE guy and one that never rocked the boat and helped a lot of guys. Got one of the best gimmicks ever and really was good in the ring too over time.

I loved his feud with Warrior when he was heel and original and then when he turned because Jake took issue with him after the Macho Man incident.

[studcrackers]

I could see Cena beating the streak if only to finally turn him heel. But the chances of it happening are still like 1%

[kblo247]

I don't see a logical young guy. Reigns and Big E are young, but like I said it makes no sense to give it to a young guy unless if you're locking them in long term. You need to know, not hope but know they are in it for a good 10 years or so barring a horrible injury. For a guy like Reigns or Langston to go over they would have to get deals similar to what Orton and Cena got which were 10 year deals. They won't just hope he stays ever again like Brock because he burned them

There's absolutely no way to know anything. There could be a Bret Hart breakup three years after. It's the same thing with Daniel Bryan, if you've got a young guy you feel is ready and Taker is on side, you're gonna have to take a leap of faith.

Even a 10 year deal doesn't guarantee jack squat. There's several guys that are good enough. Now look, I agree that you better be absolutely sure the guy can carry that mantle from beating Taker. It's more prestigious than the title as mentioned. You can eff up a title run with a Miz and it's forgotten, there's only one win over Taker at WM and you better be sure he's a guy worth it, anything that happens contractually or him sticking around there's nothing you can control with that.

But you're original premise of Cena or Kane is just outright stupid if I'm being honest. It does nothing for Cena and Kane and is a complete waste of that moment.

Never said Cena or Kane should win, I said they are the only logical ones I think they would put over.

If Cena went over its because its takers way of saying you're the guy, the new conscious of the company, the 20 year guy who will stay loyal. It would be solely about respect. Cena could lose, he could win, but if he challenged everyone and their mama would watch and pay attention to every hold. They will set an attendance record as well most likely. He seems like a logical 50/50 bet, sort of like when he walked into One Night Stand, they could fake you out and suspend your disbelief of the streak being broken.

If a Kane went over, not likely, but a slim chance as Takers admitted he wanted Kane to break it before I can see both characters written off. There's no better way to send the brothers of destruction off into the sun set than the page try of the Kane character finally being at peace and beating his brother on the grand stage followed by lighting, fire, hail, brimstone, smoke and mirrors with them both hugging, posing, and walking off to never work a match again. Takers wanted Kane to beat him before, I can see them hoping any request taker makes, he's earned that far more than anyone in the back to have his wish honored.


Now the young guy to go over, like you said has to be the right guy, as they get no do over. I think he has to be a locked in guy too at least since they weren't pleased with Brock leaving and that's why they gave Cena and Orton 10 year deals and also offered Batista one as he said and confirmed years ago when Randy and Cena got theirs. I think they would have Reigns, Langston, or Wyatt look at 5-10 year deals just off a business principle as they tried to lock in the top new crop before them after Brock said **** it I'm done

[Max Green]

I just finished the Rumble, haven't read this thread, but Vince & creative got exactly what they deserved last night. I felt bad for the guys in the ring, since they were working hard and it's ultimately out of their control, but I loved the crowd **** on the same old guys on top. DB should've been in it, and he should've won it.

[WRau1]

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[Dunthreevy]

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Look at all those dvd's he bought. I wonder if he's allowed to critique the product.

[jakecronus8]

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Look at all those dvd's he bought. I wonder if he's allowed to critique the product.

[whysoserious]

"I better not have any Batista dvd's, no I don't cause he's not good enough to have any dvd's"

LMAO

[Sebastian]

Two great tag matches tonight. Stoked. Hopefully each gets ~15 mins or so.

Can't believe I'm starting to come around on Barrett. This new gimmick has a lot of potential.

[jade_hippo]

If we can get Taker on DDP yoga, we can put off the streak ending for another 3-5 years.

[...c.a.p...]

Not a bad Rumble. The in ring stuff wasn't bad from all the matches, and everyone worked really hard. The crowd **** on the WHC match and the post Rey entrance just tarnished what was a decent ppv. Watch it on mute, I'm sure many people wouldnt mind Cena/Orton.

Bray beating Bryan doesn't bother me too much as it was a great methodical match. Bray winning builds him up as a serious threat and strong going into the Cena program. It was after the outcome if that match that I was pretty convinced they were going to enter DB at #30. He opened the show, and entering at 30 allows him maximum time to rest between appearances. When we got to entrant 25 I had compiled a mental list of who could be left to enter. I immediately had Rey Mysterio pop into my mind once Langston came storming out at 29. The whole group I was watching with held their breathe during the countdown, and what a letdown.

[...c.a.p...]

If we can get Taker on DDP yoga, we can put off the streak ending for another 3-5 years.

As long as Michelle McCool stays away, I think Taker should consider this.

[Marcus]

surprised no one mentioned/noticed this. But I thought Punk's homage to Chris Hero/Kassius Ohno was pretty classy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHkQRoHpl6A[/youtube]

about the 1:15 mark.

The Cesaro swing interrupted by a dropkick to the swingees head from Punk in case you have no idea what im talking about was a regular move used by the Cesaro and Hero as the Kings Of Wrestling.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdqih5EEOWM[/youtube]