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Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

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IS IT TIME TO FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD?

1) Yes, I believe it is time for EG to go now.
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2) Ted should let him go at the end of the season.
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3) No, Ted needs to give him more time..(DESPITE THE FACT ERNIE HAS BEEN GM SINCE 2003 AND WASHINGTON HAS THE THIRD WORST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE IN THAT SPAN)
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#61 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Feb 3, 2014 8:04 pm

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doclinkin wrote:Few quick points on on my way to work.

Your history here is short: this board has actually affected the team in a couple instances. Juan Dixon cited an 'Amazingly Sucky' thread as inspiration for his 35 pt playoff game against the Bulls. Gilbert's dad intimated that he read the boards, referenced points made here. A few posters on here still maintain email dialogue with Ted. Others have collegial relationships with other front office members.


Yeah, I once talked to Gilbert's dad via phone and he told me directly that he read the board from time to time and relayed stuff to Gil.


Mo Almond and I are each 2/2 birthday guys. I've received an email from his pops. I am sure they're more than aware of the board.

I'm also pretty sure some NBA executives and media have pretty tight aliases. My reasons for brutal honesty are I just want the team better. EG and company would have been way better off following suggestion made years ago. They're certainly following this board now, IMO. I'm real emotion and quite often wrong when I emote. But the analysis I and others take the time to do is something IMO of a godsend for EG and Ted. They're fools to turn their nose up at great free advice.

Ted can emulate Paul Allen and the late Dr. Jerry Buss, as well as Marc Cuban. Even billionaire sports owners need mentors. Owners and GMs shouldn't just get high-character vets but themselves be above accountability. No player should ever become a pariah or scapegoat of INEPT management from the top down or from coach down. Garbage in, garbage out applies to all of us. If I choose unwisely, that's on me. Ted and Ernie are improving for sure but some of the disregard of the draft and the labeling of players is bush league.

The great news is Wall is playing max contract ball, even with missteps here and there. Wittman, regardless of all criticism, has the team at 23-23 with the talent on hand. About average, but starting 5 very solidly above that. The task at hand is to improve the bench and IMO improve encouragement from coach to young players. Seraphin and Vesely appear to be contributors not playing to their peak nor given opportunity to do so. Maynor's leash is constrictively choking him in the doghouse that he's in. They have to do something or let the guy play his way out of the doghouse if it means spelling Wall a minute earlier, with the starting 5 out there. Just my rant, 2 cents worth …. I hope they consider my motivation. Just like with the Seahawks, let every player prosper to the best of their game. Don't ram system and don't berate, castigate, subjugate … or any other Jesse Jackson rhyme meaning mistreat … players.

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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#62 » by TGW » Mon Feb 3, 2014 8:11 pm

That explains your irrational man-love for Mo Almond.

Where is that guy btw?
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#63 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Feb 3, 2014 8:30 pm

TGW wrote:That explains your irrational man-love for Mo Almond.


Thanks to dobrojim, I've even got a signature Mo Almond official Wizard poster. Number 21. I didn't even know that. :lol:

Truly, mahalo (thanks), for that, jim.

Where is that guy btw?


I don't know. I know God gave me a dream. I did what prompted his being signed. His dad, Willie, gave me a classy, heartfelt, thank you email. They owe me nothing. Mo's the basketball talent. I am just me, for the world to read as CCJ on realgm.

Agents get paid, and his former agent did Mo a solid (for free). Mo did the rest.

God was responsible for those 6 or so games in which the Wizards NEVER lost, and Morris was on the court to the tune of +31 points per 100 possessions. I felt great to have been helpful, but also felt like that's about all I got. I would have been generous if someone mention me in ANY WAY that got me a dime or a few thousands.

But I'm not bitter. Oh no. Not me. :)

Seriously, I've been really busy with some other stuff, mostly parenting and getting self right …

TGW: I don't know Morris Almond or what he's up to, but here are the best links I can give you.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Mor ... ummary/372

Thanks to great, Realgm, here's a link to Mo's agent: Luigi Bergamaschi
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#64 » by leswizards » Mon Feb 3, 2014 8:31 pm

milellie111 wrote:Perhaps you should evaluate why [EG] makes you so angry...


Because he blows nearly every opportunity to make the Wizards a better team. How many first round draft picks can one GM blow before he gets fired? In EG's case, it is apparently far too many.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#65 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Feb 3, 2014 8:43 pm

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milellie111 wrote:Perhaps you should evaluate why he makes you so angry...


Because he blows nearly every opportunity to make the Wizards a better team. How many first round draft picks can one GM blow before he gets fired? In EG's case, it is apparently far too many.


He makes me angry, or I really should say WHAT makes me angry is my financial situation and my own miserable past choices and current life circumstances. I obsess over what EG gets paid to do. He makes all kinds of money. I do not.

God lets some people stay rich and others poor. He got there being a terrific athlete. I remember Bernie and Ernie. Heck, I even knew Bernie's little brother pretty well back in the day. So, I LIKE everything I saw on ESPN about Ernie Grunfeld. Came up under some really hard times. Went to Tennessee. Great Jewish player in Maccabi. Befriended Bernard King. EG had the Knicks in the NBA Finals.

But I HATE how they did Eddie Jordan, Gilbert Arenas, Andray Blatche, Pam McGee, Javale McGee, James Singleton, Kendall Marshall, Shannon Brown, Emeka Okafor … I'm sure I've forgotten a bunch. ALWAYS it's the player's fault. ALWAYS Ted stands by Ernie in what from a distance seems like smugness. I think EG has not been the best GM and Ted Leonsis is making coin fielding a team with a cap or limit as to how good they can be.

Nivek has some metrics that list team ORtg and DRtg in another thread. In 2012, right after Randy relieved Flip, the Wizards closed out with 6 straight wins. But then they went VETERAN. They screwed any chances their young players would get minutes, and they also glued the same players who started the last 6 game to the bench. INSTEAD OF TRADING THOSE YOUNG GUYS FOR NEW BENCH PLAYERS they glued Chris Singleton, Jan Vesely, Kevin Seraphin to the bench. Okafor and Ariza played well, but the net result is TO SAVE HIS JOB AND RANDY'S they traded away a first to get Gortat.

I don't hate EG but when I look back at all the times I said about a year and a half before his draft that Millsap would be good, or Faried would be good, or Steph Curry would be good; his moves have been IMO largely INEPT.

Now, the last year or two his moves have been good overall. I love the way the staring unit plays together. John Wall busts his ass all the time. I'm not mad at anyone, but you did ask …

I'm mad because my ass is broke and they're making money and laughing, some of them. I've married MUCH WORSE than EG has been GM. Thankfully, I'm a good dad and a loyal friend. Money is only something that would help me and boys live better as well as help many many more. Most of all, I believe I could do way better than EG. I just do. Since I'm unqualified and full of ego and unfortunately some envy, I pray forgiveness.

I just want the team to win and I DO trust I have a good future because GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#66 » by milellie111 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:28 am

After the showing of this team the past couple of games amongst the best teams in the NBA, Ernie Grunfeld and Whitman are making a great case to get retained. :D
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Post#67 » by MikeTheKid » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:31 am

milellie111 wrote:After the showing of this team the past couple of games amongst the best teams in the NBA, Ernie Grunfeld and Whitman are making a great case to get retained. :D


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Post#68 » by montestewart » Tue Feb 4, 2014 4:54 am

milellie111 wrote:After the showing of this team the past couple of games amongst the best teams in the NBA, Ernie Grunfeld and Whitman are making a great case to get retained. :D

The Wizards are playing so well, If Ted's smart, he'll ask the city to fund a new arena and raise ticket prices 100%. No doubt, it's time for a no pants night at VC. That should really get the fans out of their seats. Go Wiz!
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Post#69 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Tue Feb 4, 2014 5:25 am

I guess if your going to feed the troll, might as well do it without pants on.

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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#70 » by TGW » Tue Feb 4, 2014 6:39 am

milellie111 wrote:After the showing of this team the past couple of games amongst the best teams in the NBA, Ernie Grunfeld and Whitman are making a great case to get retained. :D


Sure...the awesome Ernie/Whitman duo are a combined 63-85, an impressive 42% winning percentage. Yea, that's making a great case alright. :lol:
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Post#71 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Feb 4, 2014 7:33 am

Wow. It only took 355 games in a league of 30 teams, and the next worst OF ALL THE REST only took 62 games, to get over .500.

Same GM consistent in being under .500.

Yet, people complain about Eddie Jordan's 40+ win teams that went to the playoffs. IMO, firing a coach 11 games after he coached them in the playoffs; EG got what he deserved. Year after year of not only missing the playoffs, but averaging around 32 wins.

Years after drafting Wall, and AFTER John signed a max deal, the Wizard eclipse 41 wins!

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Post#72 » by hands11 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 9:12 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Wow. It only took 355 games in a league of 30 teams, and the next worst OF ALL THE REST only took 62 games, to get over .500.

Same GM consistent in being under .500.

Yet, people complain about Eddie Jordan's 40+ win teams that went to the playoffs. IMO, firing a coach 11 games after he coached them in the playoffs; EG got what he deserved. Year after year of not only missing the playoffs, but averaging around 32 wins.

Years after drafting Wall, and AFTER John signed a max deal, the Wizard eclipse 41 wins!

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EFJ was a terrible HC. He coached Gil coming right into his prime along with CB and AJ. Add Haywood and you would be hard press to not have a .500 team. I often said he did more to help them lose than win. He also killed his core players with max minutes so they had nothing left come playoffs.

The 11 games into the season has very little to do with it being 11 games in and everything to do with it being several years past do. The losing streak was just an opportunity to do what was long overdue. No defense EFJ was not and EG assignment. He was forced on EG by Abe. EG couldn't wait to get ride of him.

Randy has been slow to get the line ups and rotation right over the year and also been slow with the time outs and good offense, but at least he preach and taught solid defense. And defense is the right place to start when building up a team.

As for this team being over .500 This is the level of winning they would have had last year if healthy. This team this year has been remarkably healthy. This team is very Wall centric and Wall missed the whole start of the year last year. Wall is the AS. Remove Wall and they wouldn't have won like this. Hell, even with his they are just starting to put it together just now.

And this over .500 isn't a 2-1 .500 or an 8-7 one. This is a 24-23 one.
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Post#73 » by milellie111 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 1:24 pm

TGW wrote:
milellie111 wrote:After the showing of this team the past couple of games amongst the best teams in the NBA, Ernie Grunfeld and Whitman are making a great case to get retained. :D


Sure...the awesome Ernie/Whitman duo are a combined 63-85, an impressive 42% winning percentage. Yea, that's making a great case alright. :lol:


Have you actually watched the team play this season??!
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Post#74 » by noworriesinmd » Tue Feb 4, 2014 1:41 pm

milellie111 wrote:
TGW wrote:
milellie111 wrote:After the showing of this team the past couple of games amongst the best teams in the NBA, Ernie Grunfeld and Whitman are making a great case to get retained. :D


Sure...the awesome Ernie/Whitman duo are a combined 63-85, an impressive 42% winning percentage. Yea, that's making a great case alright. :lol:


Have you actually watched the team play this season??!


Statistically when taking an exam I can get 100% right even if I guess on all the answers.
1 year a trend does not make. That is why you evaluate the body of work.

I gave EG his props last night for the team, but there are still three looming issues:
1. This team is good in a VERY bad conference....what/where is the upside in that?
2. Botched first round high draft picks
3. Possible Squandered Future Flexibility.

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Post#75 » by milellie111 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 1:47 pm

noworriesinmd wrote:
milellie111 wrote:
TGW wrote:
Sure...the awesome Ernie/Whitman duo are a combined 63-85, an impressive 42% winning percentage. Yea, that's making a great case alright. :lol:


Have you actually watched the team play this season??!


Statistically when taking an exam I can get 100% right even if I guess on all the answers.
1 year a trend does not make. That is why you evaluate the body of work.

I gave EG his props last night for the team, but there are still three looming issues:
1. This team is good in a VERY bad conference....what/where is the upside in that?
2. Botched first round high draft picks
3. Possible Squandered Future Flexibility.

My worst employee, at times, can do great work for short amounts of time.
I'm not sure if EG has earned an extension.


Miami and Indiana are also good in a very bad conference.

The Wizards have beaten good teams in the western conference, Oklahoma, Portland, Golden State, Phoenix etc.
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Post#76 » by Illuminaire » Tue Feb 4, 2014 1:51 pm

The Wizards have also lost to many more good teams than they have won against. Please stop trying to have your cake and ignore the fact that it's on fire.
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Post#77 » by verbal8 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:04 pm

milellie111 wrote:Miami and Indiana are also good in a very bad conference.

No they are great teams in a very bad conference.

If EG is such a great GM why are the Wizards 9th in spending:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/#teams::3

and 14th in wins?

The salary cap number isn't just about cost to the owner, but also about flexibility to improve the team in the long and short term.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#78 » by Nivek » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:05 pm

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Miami and Indiana are also good in a very bad conference.


Correction: Miami and Indiana are good in a very bad conference. The Wizards are not "also" good -- they're mediocre in a very bad conference.

The Wizards have beaten good teams in the western conference, Oklahoma, Portland, Golden State, Phoenix etc.


True. But, they've also lost to bad teams in the Eastern Conference: Cleveland, Detroit (2x), Milwaukee, Philadelphia, as well as a loss a bad Western Conference team: Utah. And they've lost twice to the thoroughly mediocre Toronto Raptors (which is also in a very bad conference).

Why gee, if we look at the team in a balanced and realistic way (instead of merely cherrypicking the things that look/sound good), it would appear that the team is average. Not good, not bad -- just right in the middle.

And, that's an improvement. It's more fun to watch the team this season. It'll be enjoyable to see them in the playoffs again. But they aren't "good." They're not "bad" either. They're mediocre.
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Post#79 » by Nivek » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:14 pm

Gotta say, that working for someone like Millie would be wonderful. I'd pass along a marginally coherent speech or white paper riddled with typos and grammatical errors, and ol' Millie would say, "You're doing a GREAT job. There are letters on the page that are approximately like words. Some words are spelled correctly. And on three of the pages you're making a good point. Let's talk raise..."
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Post#80 » by montestewart » Tue Feb 4, 2014 4:47 pm

Illuminaire wrote:The Wizards have also lost to many more good teams than they have won against. Please stop trying to have your cake and ignore the fact that it's on fire.

Cake's on fire! Great team motto...
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