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Post#21 » by IMAN5 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:22 pm

eitanr wrote:If your the Bobcats and your even thinking about dealing your pick for a playoff run, go after Aaron Afflalo who can actually shoot and not Turner. I think Turner is a great player, but if the Bobcats acquire him, like others have said, then they need to deal MKG and potentially force fit a shooter with their pick.

Or, they can just deal for AA and not worry about any of that. I think Orlando would listen if you start talking a 2014 draft choice.


I think you're spot on about that. What is AA's contract like, is he gonna become a FA?

Bobcats should give up MKG since they've given up on him already and a 1st to Orlando for AA. Also they can get Jameer Nelson if they want him too, Magic would be happy to deal him.
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Re: Bobcats Look Into Trading For Evan Turner 

Post#22 » by Nox_Caelum » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:28 pm

eitanr wrote:If your the Bobcats and your even thinking about dealing your pick for a playoff run, go after Aaron Afflalo who can actually shoot and not Turner. I think Turner is a great player, but if the Bobcats acquire him, like others have said, then they need to deal MKG and potentially force fit a shooter with their pick.

Or, they can just deal for AA and not worry about any of that. I think Orlando would listen if you start talking a 2014 draft choice.

CHA:Ben Gordon, Biyombo and the DET '14 pick
ORL: Afflalo and Davis

If you guys are willing to give up a '14 pick and take Davis we'll definitely listen to offers for Arron.
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Re: Bobcats Look Into Trading For Evan Turner 

Post#23 » by eitanr » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:30 pm

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eitanr wrote:If your the Bobcats and your even thinking about dealing your pick for a playoff run, go after Aaron Afflalo who can actually shoot and not Turner. I think Turner is a great player, but if the Bobcats acquire him, like others have said, then they need to deal MKG and potentially force fit a shooter with their pick.

Or, they can just deal for AA and not worry about any of that. I think Orlando would listen if you start talking a 2014 draft choice.


I think you're spot on about that. What is AA's contract like, is he gonna become a FA?

Bobcats should give up MKG since they've given up on him already and a 1st to Orlando for AA. Also they can get Jameer Nelson if they want him too, Magic would be happy to deal him.

To clarify, I think it makes sense going after AA, if they want to keep MKG as they can be a nice wing tandem together. Also, let's place MKG in a position to be successful, with a young who can shoot and allow him to take more gambles on D with AA there as well.

Granted Orlando probably asks for the better of Charlotte's picks...that is the problem.
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Re: Bobcats Look Into Trading For Evan Turner 

Post#24 » by Nox_Caelum » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:32 pm

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eitanr wrote:If your the Bobcats and your even thinking about dealing your pick for a playoff run, go after Aaron Afflalo who can actually shoot and not Turner. I think Turner is a great player, but if the Bobcats acquire him, like others have said, then they need to deal MKG and potentially force fit a shooter with their pick.

Or, they can just deal for AA and not worry about any of that. I think Orlando would listen if you start talking a 2014 draft choice.


I think you're spot on about that. What is AA's contract like, is he gonna become a FA?

Bobcats should give up MKG since they've given up on him already and a 1st to Orlando for AA. Also they can get Jameer Nelson if they want him too, Magic would be happy to deal him.

Why!? He's been a Magic his whole career, and we really have no other PG, but Davis, Davis is totally up for grabs.
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Re: Bobcats Look Into Trading For Evan Turner 

Post#25 » by IMAN5 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:35 pm

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eitanr wrote:If your the Bobcats and your even thinking about dealing your pick for a playoff run, go after Aaron Afflalo who can actually shoot and not Turner. I think Turner is a great player, but if the Bobcats acquire him, like others have said, then they need to deal MKG and potentially force fit a shooter with their pick.

Or, they can just deal for AA and not worry about any of that. I think Orlando would listen if you start talking a 2014 draft choice.


I think you're spot on about that. What is AA's contract like, is he gonna become a FA?

Bobcats should give up MKG since they've given up on him already and a 1st to Orlando for AA. Also they can get Jameer Nelson if they want him too, Magic would be happy to deal him.

Why!? He's been a Magic his whole career, and we really have no other PG, but Davis, Davis is totally up for grabs.


It's been reported Magic are willing to trade Nelson for any sort of pick, but no one is interested. The Magic are in rebuilding mode, the league and Jameer know that, and I'm sure he doesn't want to be a part of that.

I was at a Knicks-Magic game and I got passes to hang with the Magic players while they were talking with their friends and family. There was a die hard Magic fan (he was the only magic fan there that wasn't family/friend because the game was in NY) and he was telling Jameer "I know things are tough but I'm happy you stick around even with all the rumors swirling you wanna be here" and Jameer responded "Ye ye I hear things, I know I can go any day so just enjoying the time now. What happens happens"
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Re: Bobcats Look Into Trading For Evan Turner 

Post#26 » by IMAN5 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:36 pm

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eitanr wrote:If your the Bobcats and your even thinking about dealing your pick for a playoff run, go after Aaron Afflalo who can actually shoot and not Turner. I think Turner is a great player, but if the Bobcats acquire him, like others have said, then they need to deal MKG and potentially force fit a shooter with their pick.

Or, they can just deal for AA and not worry about any of that. I think Orlando would listen if you start talking a 2014 draft choice.

CHA:Ben Gordon, Biyombo and the DET '14 pick
ORL: Afflalo and Davis

If you guys are willing to give up a '14 pick and take Davis we'll definitely listen to offers for Arron.


I think that works for both teams.
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Re: Bobcats Look Into Trading For Evan Turner 

Post#27 » by Nox_Caelum » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:15 pm

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I think you're spot on about that. What is AA's contract like, is he gonna become a FA?

Bobcats should give up MKG since they've given up on him already and a 1st to Orlando for AA. Also they can get Jameer Nelson if they want him too, Magic would be happy to deal him.

Why!? He's been a Magic his whole career, and we really have no other PG, but Davis, Davis is totally up for grabs.


It's been reported Magic are willing to trade Nelson for any sort of pick, but no one is interested. The Magic are in rebuilding mode, the league and Jameer know that, and I'm sure he doesn't want to be a part of that.

I was at a Knicks-Magic game and I got passes to hang with the Magic players while they were talking with their friends and family. There was a die hard Magic fan (he was the only magic fan there that wasn't family/friend because the game was in NY) and he was telling Jameer "I know things are tough but I'm happy you stick around even with all the rumors swirling you wanna be here" and Jameer responded "Ye ye I hear things, I know I can go any day so just enjoying the time now. What happens happens"

I know we're rebuilding but I thought we'd at least keep Jameer, I mean, we need some kind of vet leadership :P
But thanks for the 2nd part it was cool to hear.
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Re: Bobcats Look Into Trading For Evan Turner 

Post#28 » by ybnd » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:26 pm

eitanr wrote:If your the Bobcats and your even thinking about dealing your pick for a playoff run, go after Aaron Afflalo who can actually shoot and not Turner. I think Turner is a great player, but if the Bobcats acquire him, like others have said, then they need to deal MKG and potentially force fit a shooter with their pick.

Or, they can just deal for AA and not worry about any of that. I think Orlando would listen if you start talking a 2014 draft choice.


MKG does not need to be traded if Turner comes in....Why does he HAVE to be traded? He can play the 3 and he can play the 2 if need be, and if they go small ball he could play the 4...Turner can play the 2 the 3 the 4 and even run the point at times....If you bring Turner in it becomes easier to part ways with MKG...Who is ONLY in his second year and is ONLY 20 years old....He has a ton of potential and he hasnt played horrible he just hasnt been spectacular...He and Turner may actually fit nice along side each other
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Post#29 » by Rated T By CBRA » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:46 pm

ybnd wrote:
eitanr wrote:If your the Bobcats and your even thinking about dealing your pick for a playoff run, go after Aaron Afflalo who can actually shoot and not Turner. I think Turner is a great player, but if the Bobcats acquire him, like others have said, then they need to deal MKG and potentially force fit a shooter with their pick.

Or, they can just deal for AA and not worry about any of that. I think Orlando would listen if you start talking a 2014 draft choice.


MKG does not need to be traded if Turner comes in....Why does he HAVE to be traded? He can play the 3 and he can play the 2 if need be, and if they go small ball he could play the 4...Turner can play the 2 the 3 the 4 and even run the point at times....If you bring Turner in it becomes easier to part ways with MKG...Who is ONLY in his second year and is ONLY 20 years old....He has a ton of potential and he hasnt played horrible he just hasnt been spectacular...He and Turner may actually fit nice along side each other

MKG could potentially back turner up, and the coach could experiment with them on the court at the same time. MKG has really had a hard-time showing up in the NBA ever since he came into the league, maybe some competition for his playing time could be the motivation he needs.
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Post#30 » by star_bury » Tue Feb 4, 2014 4:03 pm

Poor MJ. This is another horrible plan. He can't seem to avoid making terrible basketball management decisions.
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Post#31 » by the_process » Tue Feb 4, 2014 4:04 pm

Luckily this rumor is about the Bobcats wanting Turner and not Afflalo. But I don't see why you couldn't expand this and get the Bobs a shooter too. Here's one where the Bobs can even keep their picks:

CHA gets Mayo and Turner
MIL gets Gordon
PHI gets MKG, Neal, Udoh, LAL 2nd from MIL
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Re: Bobcats Look Into Trading For Evan Turner 

Post#32 » by eitanr » Tue Feb 4, 2014 4:29 pm

ybnd wrote:
eitanr wrote:If your the Bobcats and your even thinking about dealing your pick for a playoff run, go after Aaron Afflalo who can actually shoot and not Turner. I think Turner is a great player, but if the Bobcats acquire him, like others have said, then they need to deal MKG and potentially force fit a shooter with their pick.

Or, they can just deal for AA and not worry about any of that. I think Orlando would listen if you start talking a 2014 draft choice.


MKG does not need to be traded if Turner comes in....Why does he HAVE to be traded? He can play the 3 and he can play the 2 if need be, and if they go small ball he could play the 4...Turner can play the 2 the 3 the 4 and even run the point at times....If you bring Turner in it becomes easier to part ways with MKG...Who is ONLY in his second year and is ONLY 20 years old....He has a ton of potential and he hasnt played horrible he just hasnt been spectacular...He and Turner may actually fit nice along side each other

Lets make it simple. Majority of sets occur in the half court. Of those sets, most plays are either screen and roll, isolation or post up. If you have 2 wings who can't shoot from the outside here's what happens. When Al Jefferson posts up, defensive team will simply double because they are not worried about an outside shooter there. Lets say off the double a wing gets the ball and penetrates, that's fine since defense can just send a help defender again not worried about another shooter.

This also applies to the pick and roll. Turner is a nice p and r wing, so lets take advantage of that and run some of those for him. Defender will likely shift back off pick and cover drive. If Turner or MKG cause a second help defender to come no problem for D because there's no shooter to worry about.

In short the lineup would be too slash heavy and would need far more shooting for proper spacing. A unit with those 2 can work in spurts just not consistently.
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Post#33 » by Fresh360Waves » Tue Feb 4, 2014 7:47 pm

oyoyer wrote:Luckily this rumor is about the Bobcats wanting Turner and not Afflalo. But I don't see why you couldn't expand this and get the Bobs a shooter too. Here's one where the Bobs can even keep their picks:

CHA gets Mayo and Turner
MIL gets Gordon
PHI gets MKG, Neal, Udoh, LAL 2nd from MIL

I think that is a good trade for all sides. CHA gets a starting SF who could potentially re-sign with them and a SG that can come off the bench and give scoring along with Sessions. MIL will have some flexibility by taking on Gordon's expiring contract, and PHI gets a good defensive SF in MKG and can grow with the rebuilding PHI team since he has to improve his jumpshot anyways, decent big man in Udoh, Neal just a throw in who could easily get released after the trade, and the 2nd round pick that could be helpful. Never know.
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Post#34 » by BossHoggin » Tue Feb 4, 2014 8:19 pm

oyoyer wrote:Luckily this rumor is about the Bobcats wanting Turner and not Afflalo. But I don't see why you couldn't expand this and get the Bobs a shooter too. Here's one where the Bobs can even keep their picks:

CHA gets Mayo and Turner
MIL gets Gordon
PHI gets MKG, Neal, Udoh, LAL 2nd from MIL

your inner homer is showing. Turner is not worth MKG
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Post#35 » by hodgy#11 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 8:35 pm

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oyoyer wrote:Luckily this rumor is about the Bobcats wanting Turner and not Afflalo. But I don't see why you couldn't expand this and get the Bobs a shooter too. Here's one where the Bobs can even keep their picks:

CHA gets Mayo and Turner
MIL gets Gordon
PHI gets MKG, Neal, Udoh, LAL 2nd from MIL

your inner homer is showing. Turner is not worth MKG


MKG has been pretty terrible this year. He keeps falling out of the rotation and the minutes are given to ANTHONY TOLLIVER
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Post#36 » by JazzMatt13 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 8:54 pm

That is perfect scenario. Bobcats have enough to actually be a +.500 team with Big Al and Walker. Adding Turner would actually be a good pick up, cause winning is not Philly's goals for a couple years.
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Post#37 » by SoCalJazzFan » Tue Feb 4, 2014 8:59 pm

Evan Turner might be a more sexy trade, but the better trade for the Bobcats would be Ben Gordon for Richard Jefferson and either pitching in a future 2nd rd pick, or trading the Portland pick for the Jazz 2014 2nd rd pick (right now 27th and 35th picks).

Jefferson playing well for the Jazz, shooting .435 3P%. This is what Charlotte needs, a floor spacer without any future commitments.
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Post#38 » by Tdot24 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 9:52 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:Evan Turner might be a more sexy trade, but the better trade for the Bobcats would be Ben Gordon for Richard Jefferson and either pitching in a future 2nd rd pick, or trading the Portland pick for the Jazz 2014 2nd rd pick (right now 27th and 35th picks).

Jefferson playing well for the Jazz, shooting .435 3P%. This is what Charlotte needs, a floor spacer without any future commitments.


LOL.. one old guy for an even older guy. Yeah, exactly what they need.
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Post#39 » by SoCalJazzFan » Tue Feb 4, 2014 10:07 pm

Tdot24 wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:Evan Turner might be a more sexy trade, but the better trade for the Bobcats would be Ben Gordon for Richard Jefferson and either pitching in a future 2nd rd pick, or trading the Portland pick for the Jazz 2014 2nd rd pick (right now 27th and 35th picks).

Jefferson playing well for the Jazz, shooting .435 3P%. This is what Charlotte needs, a floor spacer without any future commitments.


LOL.. one old guy for an even older guy. Yeah, exactly what they need.

Turner is going to cost the Bobcats the Detroit pick, starter minutes (you better hope he works out and doesn't sour MKG) and the right to overpay him. If the Bobcats like Turner, even after they have used the Detroit pick in this year's draft, they can offer him a good deal that the 76ers won't match.

Jefferson gives the Bobcats exactly what they need this year for a small cost and all the flexibility they otherwise would have this offseason. Not sexy, but smart.
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Post#40 » by KembaWalker » Tue Feb 4, 2014 10:20 pm

No thanks. MKG would not be on the table for Evan Turner anyway though, unless its with something else coming

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