Charlotte 2014 Picks Watch Thread

HornetJail · Post #381 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:00 am

Joest2003 wrote:With the rising star game this weekend and neither MKG or Zeller being invited that is not a good look for Rich Cho to say the least. Ive been trying to stay optomistic with MKG but common man that jumpshot is not going to work in the NBA so he is basicaly a role player and role players are not suppose to be drafted #2 overall. and dont even get me started on Zeller. Makes you wonder sometime if this team can survive such terrible moves by the GM.

Yeah, you're right. I'd much rather have Thomas Robinson or Harrison Barnes over MKG and Ben McLemore or Anthony Bennett over Zeller like most projections had us doing. Damn it Cho, you're such an idiot. Robinson is so clearly better than MKG. :roll:

Joest2003 · Post #382 » by **Joest2003** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:01 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:With the rising star game this weekend and neither MKG or Zeller being invited that is not a good look for Rich Cho to say the least. Ive been trying to stay optomistic with MKG but common man that jumpshot is not going to work in the NBA so he is basicaly a role player and role players are not suppose to be drafted #2 overall. and dont even get me started on Zeller. Makes you wonder sometime if this team can survive such terrible moves by the GM.

Yeah, you're right. I'd much rather have Thomas Robinson or Harrison Barnes over MKG and Ben McLemore or Anthony Bennett over Zeller like most projections had us doing. Damn it Cho, you're such an idiot. Robinson is so clearly better than MKG.

Nothing what you said changes the fact that our last 2 lottery picks suck and are not invited to the Rising Star game. Have you ever heard of Andre Drummond? Hes leading the east in double doubles, FG% and rebounds....and thats just one player who we wiffed on in the 2012 draft, others incude Jeremy Lamb (who would fit PERFECT with this team, Bradley Beal, and All Star Damien Lillard. Trust me I like the Bobcats just as much as you but im not going to deny the fact that the past 2 drafts for us have been just terrible.

Joest2003 · Post #383 » by **Joest2003** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:02 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:With the rising star game this weekend and neither MKG or Zeller being invited that is not a good look for Rich Cho to say the least. Ive been trying to stay optomistic with MKG but common man that jumpshot is not going to work in the NBA so he is basicaly a role player and role players are not suppose to be drafted #2 overall. and dont even get me started on Zeller. Makes you wonder sometime if this team can survive such terrible moves by the GM.

Indeed. If only Cho had drafted MCW like everyone was clamoring for...

I wish he did. MKW is a candidate for rookie of the year. Zeller is closer to being sent to the D league.....

Post #384 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:04 pm

Joest2003 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:With the rising star game this weekend and neither MKG or Zeller being invited that is not a good look for Rich Cho to say the least. Ive been trying to stay optomistic with MKG but common man that jumpshot is not going to work in the NBA so he is basicaly a role player and role players are not suppose to be drafted #2 overall. and dont even get me started on Zeller. Makes you wonder sometime if this team can survive such terrible moves by the GM.

Indeed. If only Cho had drafted MCW like everyone was clamoring for...

I wish he did. MKW is a candidate for rookie of the year. Zeller is closer to being sent to the D league.....

Yeah, I know. The point is that no one knew MCW would be so productive. Ten other teams passed over him, and there would have been a total mutiny in Charlotte if Cho had picked him.

BeesWax · Post #385 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:41 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Indeed. If only Cho had drafted MCW like everyone was clamoring for...

I wish he did. MKW is a candidate for rookie of the year. Zeller is closer to being sent to the D league.....

Yeah, I know. The point is that no one knew MCW would be so productive. Ten other teams passed over him, and there would have been a total mutiny in Charlotte if Cho had picked him.

Not a total mutiny because if it came out it was between him and Zeller. If it were up to us Zeller would not have been of the board at the 4th pick. Not saying MCW was the way I wanted to go but I liked him more than Zeller.

Post #386 » by **fatlever** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:31 pm

standings as of the all-star break

1. bucks (9 wins)
2. sixers (15)
3. magic (16)
4. kings (18)
5. lakers (18)
6. jazz (19)
7. celtics (19)
8. cavs (20)
9. knicks (20)
10. pistons (22)
11. pelicans (23)
12. nuggets (24)
13. twolves (25)
14. grizz (29)
15. bobcats (23)
16. nets (24)

only 6 wins separate #6 and #13 in the lottery, with our win total in the middle, but still in the playoffs. one bad 10 game run and we are well out of the playoffs and one good 10 game run and we are solid in the playoffs.

no mans land would be horrible. trading future assets and still landing in no mans land is the stuff that can set us back a few years and get a front office fired.

HornetJail · Post #387 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:41 pm

jdm3 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:
I wish he did. MKW is a candidate for rookie of the year. Zeller is closer to being sent to the D league.....

Yeah, I know. The point is that no one knew MCW would be so productive. Ten other teams passed over him, and there would have been a total mutiny in Charlotte if Cho had picked him.

Not a total mutiny because if it came out it was between him and Zeller. If it were up to us Zeller would not have been of the board at the 4th pick. Not saying MCW was the way I wanted to go but I liked him more than Zeller.

MCW would've just been a weird pick. He wasn't expected to do anything this season, and our best player plays the same position.

BeesWax · Post #388 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:53 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Yeah, I know. The point is that no one knew MCW would be so productive. Ten other teams passed over him, and there would have been a total mutiny in Charlotte if Cho had picked him.

Not a total mutiny because if it came out it was between him and Zeller. If it were up to us Zeller would not have been of the board at the 4th pick. Not saying MCW was the way I wanted to go but I liked him more than Zeller.

MCW would've just been a weird pick. He wasn't expected to do anything this season, and our best player plays the same position.

I agree it would be weird. I did think he had some potential though. That is more than I can say I thought about Zeller. I would not have been excited with the pick but like it better than ours. Also he could take over Sessions role.

Eoghan · Post #389 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:37 am

Yeah, some of us would have been okay with MCW. With his size and defense he was seen as a decent complement to Kemba in 2 PG lineups. I would have preferred him to Zeller, Cody was pretty low on my list at 4 (everybody was except for Noel, McLemore and Adams). That would have just been a great draft to trade down or out of, no doubt.

Liver_Pooty · Post #390 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:13 am

Portland was 3-6 in its last 9 heading into the all star break and are down to the 5 seed in the west. They keep that up and that pick will just become more and more valuable. Not sure if I would give it up now that I think about it .

Post #391 » by **Diop** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:29 am

BrotherDave wrote:Yeah, some of us would have been okay with MCW. With his size and defense he was seen as a decent complement to Kemba in 2 PG lineups. I would have preferred him to Zeller, Cody was pretty low on my list at 4 (everybody was except for Noel, McLemore and Adams). That would have just been a great draft to trade down or out of, no doubt.

Cho must be praying that Noel is going to be a bust.

Elden Payton · Post #392 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:54 am

If we swap spots with Detroit and just miss the playoffs our pick will be #10 and we will keep it.

We'll also get the Detroit pick at #15.

In a typical season we would be giving up a late lotto pick but in this scenario we would gain one.

We would still owe Chicago our pick but is that really that concerning considering the direction it seems the FO is heading?

MasterIchiro · Post #393 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:15 am

I'm ok losing our pick to the Bulls IF we make the playoffs. Supposedly next year the Eastern Conference will be much better and with our team wouldn't we be a lottery team next year? So we would get our own pick as a lottery pick next year if we pay off the Bulls this year and make the playoffs. I'd rather not miss the playoffs 2 more years. If we miss the playoffs this year the pressure really goes up next year to spend the 18 million cap space from Gordon and Sessions and I really don't like the free agents out there. That's why I think the Turner deal will happen. It gives us access to the playoffs and sets the stage for a Hornets marketing bonanza.

Eoghan · Post #394 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:40 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Portland was 3-6 in its last 9 heading into the all star break and are down to the 5 seed in the west. They keep that up and that pick will just become more and more valuable. Not sure if I would give it up now that I think about it .

Portland has a history of limping towards the finish line, a big part of the reason why I'd be reluctant to trade that pick. I'd much rather have the option of packaging the Portland and Detroit picks together to get into the top 5 or so in case we lose our pick to Chicago than to give it away for an Evan Turner rental.

Cho is a mediocre drafter but he seems to have a keen sense of value in trades so I'd be surprised if we trade a pick for someone Turner caliber.

Post #395 » by **fatlever** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:50 pm

Sik Infant wrote:If we swap spots with Detroit and just miss the playoffs our pick will be #10 and we will keep it.

We'll also get the Detroit pick at #15.

one spot away from no man's land, with a bunch of teams all around us. you have to figure that a couple of those WC teams will start to take their foot off the gas once it appears they are out of the running for the playoffs. meanwhile, we will be gunning for the playoffs up until the end. i think if we want to ensure we keep our own pick we would need to drop to at least 10th in the east to be safe. i dont trust staying at 9th.

Post #396 » by **Diop** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:58 am

that's my biggest fear, we give up our pick for nothing.

its why I lean towards tanking if a good trade doesn't come through, I don't think we're good enough to guarantee playoffs with this team.

Elden Payton · Post #397 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:59 am

fatlever wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:If we swap spots with Detroit and just miss the playoffs our pick will be #10 and we will keep it.

We'll also get the Detroit pick at #15.

one spot away from no man's land, with a bunch of teams all around us. you have to figure that a couple of those WC teams will start to take their foot off the gas once it appears they are out of the running for the playoffs. meanwhile, we will be gunning for the playoffs up until the end. i think if we want to ensure we keep our own pick we would need to drop to at least 10th in the east to be safe. i dont trust staying at 9th.

I agree that to ensure it is safe we should drop as low as possible (if the playoffs are out of reach)

I feel that whether we make the playoffs or not we aren't in no mans land, and either way we will get a top 10 pick imo and most of our core is young (or replaceable) and we have flexibility to make the necessary moves.

The East is so weak that we are only 3 games ahead of Cleveland and it would not surprise me if Detroit, New York and Cleveland passed us.

I don't mean that in a negative way either, but this is a new situation for our young team and we have a rookie head coach which makes holding the eighth seed a difficult proposition.

In regards to the teams direclty behind us or ahead of us in the standings-

Cleveland-Will try to make the playoffs imo-won 4 straight.

New York-Owes pick to Denver-will try to make playoffs.

Detroit-Owes pick to Charlotte-will try to make playoffs.

New Orleans-Owes pick to Philadelphia-will try to make the playoffs.

Denver-Owes pick to Orlando-will try to make playoffs.

Minnesota-Will try to make playoffs.

Memphis-Will try to make playoffs.

Brooklyn-Owes pick to Atlanta-will try to make playoffs.

Washington-Owes pick to Phoenix-will try to make playoffs.

Atlanta-Owes pick to Boston-will try to make playoffs.

Chicago-Owns our pick-will try to make playoffs.

Toronto-Will try to make playoffs.

Golden State-Owes pick to Utah-will try to make playoffs.

Phoenix-May try to tank.

The only teams that own their own pick will try to make the playoffs.

Every other team does not own their own pick and will fight tooth and nail to get to the postseason.

The Detroit pick holds insane value right now.

hotrod · Post #398 » by **hotrod** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:20 pm

What if we get no 1st round picks in this upcoming draft? Could happen. We make the playoffs, trade the Blazers pick as many seem to want for our playoff push, and Detroit just stinks and keeps pick. That is one reason why I don't want to trade our picks. The Detroit pick next year could be nice though.

Post #399 » by **JDR720** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:50 pm

hotrod wrote:What if we get no 1st round picks in this upcoming draft? Could happen. We make the playoffs, trade the Blazers pick as many seem to want for our playoff push, and Detroit just stinks and keeps pick. That is one reason why I don't want to trade our picks. The Detroit pick next year could be nice though.

no picks would be horrible....well technically we would have a pick a 2nd rounder but that isn't that great

HornetJail · Post #400 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:31 pm

JDR720 wrote:
hotrod wrote:What if we get no 1st round picks in this upcoming draft? Could happen. We make the playoffs, trade the Blazers pick as many seem to want for our playoff push, and Detroit just stinks and keeps pick. That is one reason why I don't want to trade our picks. The Detroit pick next year could be nice though.

no picks would be horrible....well technically we would have a pick a 2nd rounder but that isn't that great

Depends on what we get in a trade with the portland pick. If it's worthwhile, it's not a huge loss because the value of the Pistons pick skyrockets if it's not conveyed this year because it's practically unprotected.