The Trade Thread

[MotownMadness]

Almost Zero percent chance any GM in the NBA would be stupid enough to trade for Amare this year. If one does, they deserve to be fired.

Can't say zero percent while Dumars is still employed.

[Q00]

If GS is interested in Monroe like I'm hearing than I would pull the trigger on that. Barnes is still a good shooter and could still develop further and he's cheap for the next two years. We might need a little more back but I would start there.

I've read that too. I'm not a big fan of Barnes, but it could be our way to a deal with Boston for Rondo.

If we can get GS to do Barnes + 1st rd pick, and then send both to Boston + a future pick of our own, that might satisfy Ainge's requests of a young player + 2 picks.

[Piston Pete]

Almost Zero percent chance any GM in the NBA would be stupid enough to trade for Amare this year. If one does, they deserve to be fired.

Can't say zero percent while Dumars is still employed.

At this point, I'd rather have Amare and his contract than Smith/Jennings and theirs....

[sfballa13]

Almost Zero percent chance any GM in the NBA would be stupid enough to trade for Amare this year. If one does, they deserve to be fired.

Can't say zero percent while Dumars is still employed.

Amare + Shumpert for Smith is the best deal and only deal NY will get for Amare

Jr Smith - Melo - Smith - Chandler is a pretty damn good lineup

[Piston Pete]

Almost Zero percent chance any GM in the NBA would be stupid enough to trade for Amare this year. If one does, they deserve to be fired.

Can't say zero percent while Dumars is still employed.

Amare + Shumpert for Smith is the best deal and only deal NY will get for Amare

Jr Smith - Melo - Smith - Chandler is a pretty damn good lineup

Jennings/Smith/Datome for Amare and either Hardaway or Shumpert is GOLDEN.

Gets all our bad long-term contracts to NY (Datome has 2 more years on his deal) in exchange for Amare's terrible, but shorter deal.

[joeposh]

Almost Zero percent chance any GM in the NBA would be stupid enough to trade for Amare this year. If one does, they deserve to be fired.

Can't say zero percent while Dumars is still employed.

At this point, I'd rather have Amare and his contract than Smith/Jennings and theirs....

You'd be resigning our team to bottom feeders for the next season and a half by bringing in a guy with a crippling contract whose career is all but over (and plays a position we have no need at). At least Jennings and Smith can contribute.

[Piston Pete]

Can't say zero percent while Dumars is still employed.

At this point, I'd rather have Amare and his contract than Smith/Jennings and theirs....

You'd be resigning our team to bottom feeders for the next season and a half by bringing in a guy with a crippling contract whose career is all but over (and plays a position we have no need at). At least Jennings and Smith can contribute.

That's sort of the 2nd reason to do it. Tank. Lose as many games as possible the rest of this season and keep our pick.

Then next season, Amare could be a huge asset as a GIGANTIC expiring deal. Worst-case scenario, we keep him and take the savings.

[sfballa13]

Can't say zero percent while Dumars is still employed.

At this point, I'd rather have Amare and his contract than Smith/Jennings and theirs....

You'd be resigning our team to bottom feeders for the next season and a half by bringing in a guy with a crippling contract whose career is all but over (and plays a position we have no need at). At least Jennings and Smith can contribute.

LMAO contribute?

Contribute to what our team barely making the playoffs in a historically terrible Eastern Conference?

Contribute to stunting Drummonds growth and desire to stay in Detroit?

Please.

Amare for Smith would be a godsend for this team

[Q00]

Barnes does intrigue me though, and given how aggravated I am with Monroe's defense, I would probably make that deal if its the best offer we can get, but we should be able to coax a 1st rd pick out of GS too.

If we could do that and then send that pick to Philly for Turner, coming away with Barnes + Turner for Monroe, that would be about as good of a package as I could expect.

Jennings
Turner
Barnes
Smith
Drummond

yeah, I could deal with that starting 5 for now

I like Barnes' ability to play a stretch 4 role too, as it would open the possiblity of trading Smith for more assets going foward, should we need more shooting in the starting lineup.

Jennings/?/Turner/Barnes/Drummond. That would be a nice young starting 5, then we can try to get a sweet shooting SG in FA.

[joeposh]

At this point, I'd rather have Amare and his contract than Smith/Jennings and theirs....

You'd be resigning our team to bottom feeders for the next season and a half by bringing in a guy with a crippling contract whose career is all but over (and plays a position we have no need at). At least Jennings and Smith can contribute.

That's sort of the 2nd reason to do it. Tank. Lose as many games as possible the rest of this season and keep our pick.

Then next season, Amare could be a huge asset as a GIGANTIC expiring deal. Worst-case scenario, we keep him and take the savings.

I think we've all seen that expirings don't mean much anymore under the new CBA. If they did, folks would be knocking down our door for CV and Stuckey.

Given the size of Amare's deal, we'd need to take back another bad expiring or a toxic deal to move him next year -- garbage in, garbage out. That resigns us to being a bottom feeder until 2015/2016 season, which would kill the morale of our team and inhibit the development of our young pieces.

[TrosstheBOSS]

Blow it up

[Piston Pete]

You'd be resigning our team to bottom feeders for the next season and a half by bringing in a guy with a crippling contract whose career is all but over (and plays a position we have no need at). At least Jennings and Smith can contribute.

That's sort of the 2nd reason to do it. Tank. Lose as many games as possible the rest of this season and keep our pick.

Then next season, Amare could be a huge asset as a GIGANTIC expiring deal. Worst-case scenario, we keep him and take the savings.

I think we've all seen that expirings don't mean much anymore under the new CBA. If they did, folks would be knocking down our door for CV and Stuckey.

Given the size of Amare's deal, we'd need to take back another bad expiring or a toxic deal to move him next year -- garbage in, garbage out. That resigns us to being a bottom feeder until 2015/2016 season, which would kill the morale of our team and inhibit the development of our young pieces.

Like I said before, the worst-case scenario is we're stuck with Amare thru next season. At which point, we let him and everyone else walk and look to build properly around Monroe and Drummond. Its 100% clear that Smith doesn't fit here. And Jennings has been ok at times, but still too much of a chucker and defensive liability. Cash them in as soon as possible IMO. Addition by subtraction. Start over with a new GM.

[russkopp]

Hearing that "Detroit has been dead silent for weeks" is so disappointing. I understand if you don't get the deal you want but to be off to the side doing nothing is terrible. In about 22 hours we'll know if Dumars is 100% getting fired after the season or not by our rotation. If Friday, we see the same starting lineup with Will shooting us out of games and KCP not touching the ball...it's clear what's going on.

[joeposh]

At this point, I'd rather have Amare and his contract than Smith/Jennings and theirs....

You'd be resigning our team to bottom feeders for the next season and a half by bringing in a guy with a crippling contract whose career is all but over (and plays a position we have no need at). At least Jennings and Smith can contribute.

LMAO contribute?

Contribute to what our team barely making the playoffs in a historically terrible Eastern Conference?

Contribute to stunting Drummonds growth and desire to stay in Detroit?

Please.

Amare for Smith would be a godsend for this team

Smith for Amare is not what's being proposed (and isn't possible given the salary difference).

They want to dump Jennings (and Luigi) as well. Jennings still has a lot of talent and drive, and is chucking mainly because we surrounded him with an anemic offense that more or less demands he shoot more than he should. Does he need more discipline? Of course. There's a lot of work to be done, but give him a legit SF, some 3 and D wings and a solid coach, and he could still be a top tier PG.

Taking Amare means we can resign Moose, and then do little else. Who is our starting SF for the next season and a half? Who is our starting PG? Singler and Bynum? Please.

[Q00]

Hearing that "Detroit has been dead silent for weeks" is so disappointing. I understand if you don't get the deal you want but to be off to the side doing nothing is terrible. In about 22 hours we'll know if Dumars is 100% getting fired after the season or not by our rotation. If Friday, we see the same starting lineup with Will shooting us out of games and KCP not touching the ball...it's clear what's going on.

Keep in mind that Goodwill may or may not be on the Pistons payroll, so anything he writes could actually be the opposite of truth.

[sfballa13]

That's sort of the 2nd reason to do it. Tank. Lose as many games as possible the rest of this season and keep our pick.

Then next season, Amare could be a huge asset as a GIGANTIC expiring deal. Worst-case scenario, we keep him and take the savings.

I think we've all seen that expirings don't mean much anymore under the new CBA. If they did, folks would be knocking down our door for CV and Stuckey.

Given the size of Amare's deal, we'd need to take back another bad expiring or a toxic deal to move him next year -- garbage in, garbage out. That resigns us to being a bottom feeder until 2015/2016 season, which would kill the morale of our team and inhibit the development of our young pieces.

Like I said before, the worst-case scenario is we're stuck with Amare thru next season. At which point, we let him and everyone else walk and look to build properly around Monroe and Drummond. Its 100% clear that Smith doesn't fit here. And Jennings has been ok at times, but still too much of a chucker and defensive liability. Cash them in as soon as possible IMO. Addition by subtraction. Start over with a new GM.

Exactly.

Even if we keep Jennings we have no business playing Smith who is taking shots away from Monroe and Drummond.

We already owe Jerebko, Bynum, Billups, Datome 12M next year and no one is taking them off our hands. What's the difference if we owe another 20M to Amare??

[Piston Pete]

You'd be resigning our team to bottom feeders for the next season and a half by bringing in a guy with a crippling contract whose career is all but over (and plays a position we have no need at). At least Jennings and Smith can contribute.

LMAO contribute?

Contribute to what our team barely making the playoffs in a historically terrible Eastern Conference?

Contribute to stunting Drummonds growth and desire to stay in Detroit?

Please.

Amare for Smith would be a godsend for this team

Smith for Amare is not what's being proposed (and isn't possible given the salary difference).

They want to dump Jennings (and Luigi) as well. Jennings still has a lot of talent and drive, and is chucking mainly because we surrounded him with an anemic offense that more or less demands he shoot more than he should. Does he need more discipline? Of course. There's a lot of work to be done, but give him a legit SF, some 3 and D wings and a solid coach, and he could still be a top tier PG.

Taking Amare means we can resign Moose, and then do little else. Who is our starting SF for the next season and a half? Who is our starting PG? Singler and Bynum? Please.

Trading for Amare means we likely keep our lottery pick in next season's draft === new PG or SF.

[joeposh]

Hearing that "Detroit has been dead silent for weeks" is so disappointing. I understand if you don't get the deal you want but to be off to the side doing nothing is terrible. In about 22 hours we'll know if Dumars is 100% getting fired after the season or not by our rotation. If Friday, we see the same starting lineup with Will shooting us out of games and KCP not touching the ball...it's clear what's going on.

Keep in mind that Goodwill may or may not be on the Pistons payroll, so anything he writes could actually be the opposite of truth.

Right, and our front office loves smoke screens. The Prince trade came right after a series of news pieces in which he declared that he wasn't going anywhere. BK for Jennings came after a pretty firm denial as well. They don't like to tip their hand or give other offices leverage by advertising their willingness to deal. Whether that's been a successful strategy or not is debatable... but I wouldn't put much stock in a Detroit beat writer.

[sfballa13]

You'd be resigning our team to bottom feeders for the next season and a half by bringing in a guy with a crippling contract whose career is all but over (and plays a position we have no need at). At least Jennings and Smith can contribute.

LMAO contribute?

Contribute to what our team barely making the playoffs in a historically terrible Eastern Conference?

Contribute to stunting Drummonds growth and desire to stay in Detroit?

Please.

Amare for Smith would be a godsend for this team

Smith for Amare is not what's being proposed (and isn't possible given the salary difference).

They want to dump Jennings (and Luigi) as well. Jennings still has a lot of talent and drive, and is chucking mainly because we surrounded him with an anemic offense that more or less demands he shoot more than he should. Does he need more discipline? Of course. There's a lot of work to be done, but give him a legit SF, some 3 and D wings and a solid coach, and he could still be a top tier PG.

Taking Amare means we can resign Moose, and then do little else. Who is our starting SF for the next season and a half? Who is our starting PG? Singler and Bynum? Please.

We can make this trade and New York still says yes:

Smith, Bynum, Jerebko, Datome
for
Shumpert and Amare

Trio of trash (Bynum, jerebko, Datome) are making 9M next season and we all know they wont see the floor and if they do (in Bynum's case) will harm our team rather than help.

Since we already are paying 9M to these guys you can subtract that from Amare's deal leaving us paying him only 10M. Amare should be able to give us 10-12 minutes off the bench and Shumpert most likely can be resigned for relatively cheap considering how terrible he has played this season.

People seem to forget that this season we paid Bynum, Jerebko, Billups, Charlie V TWENTY MILLION to sit on the bench and do nothing but now they are going nuts about Amare sitting on the bench doing nothing as well? Come on

[joeposh]

LMAO contribute?

Contribute to what our team barely making the playoffs in a historically terrible Eastern Conference?

Contribute to stunting Drummonds growth and desire to stay in Detroit?

Please.

Amare for Smith would be a godsend for this team

Smith for Amare is not what's being proposed (and isn't possible given the salary difference).

They want to dump Jennings (and Luigi) as well. Jennings still has a lot of talent and drive, and is chucking mainly because we surrounded him with an anemic offense that more or less demands he shoot more than he should. Does he need more discipline? Of course. There's a lot of work to be done, but give him a legit SF, some 3 and D wings and a solid coach, and he could still be a top tier PG.

Taking Amare means we can resign Moose, and then do little else. Who is our starting SF for the next season and a half? Who is our starting PG? Singler and Bynum? Please.

We can make this trade and New York still says yes:

Smith, Bynum, Jerebko, Datome
for
Shumpert and Amare

Trio of trash (Bynum, jerebko, Datome) are making 9M next season and we all know they wont see the floor and if they do (in Bynum's case) will harm our team rather than help.

Since we already are paying 9M to these guys you can subtract that from Amare's deal leaving us paying him only 10M. Amare should be able to give us 10-12 minutes off the bench and Shumpert most likely can be resigned for relatively cheap considering how terrible he has played this season.

People seem to forget that this season we paid Bynum, Jerebko, Billups, Charlie V TWENTY MILLION to sit on the bench and do nothing but now they are going nuts about Amare sitting on the bench doing nothing as well? Come on

That I can live with, though I'd make the Knicks toss in Hardaway Jr, either in addition to Shumpert (if the money works) or in place of him. I want his scoring ability if we're taking that sandbag off their hands.