Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8)

[sully00]

So is it

Rondo, Wallace

for

Asik, Lin, Parsons, Beverly, and 2 firsts?

Boston doesn't need Lin and Beverly.

It is certainly a fair offer but I just don't really care for the HOU picks.

[ryaningf]

Man, cyberx has it in his mind that Parsons is in their back pocket and if they need to unleash him they will but only at the deadline. And that if they do that they're going to make a move for Deng to play SF.

My question is simple: how? How can they bring in 2 all-stars for their fine collection of role players? If that was possible you'd think Danny would be doing it too

[165bows]

Stein's covering all the bases now:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/436236085484470272[/tweet]

FWIW, cyberx was pretty sure they'd include Chandler if needed.

Is that the supposed 'leak' tonight, maybe? That Rox willing to add in Parsons?

Seems like a weird fit though. If Rondo got swapped with Parsons, who plays the three for HOU? Green would have to go with Rondo, or they'd have to land another alternative. And that point, there'd be zero established quality guys for Boston, so it stands to reason that Parsons would be flipped as well?

[ryaningf]

Seems like a weird fit though. If Rondo got swapped with Parsons, who plays the three for HOU? Green would have to go with Rondo, or they'd have to land another alternative. And that point, there'd be zero established quality guys for Boston, so it stands to reason that Parsons would be flipped as well?

No at that point we'd resign Chandler for the max and build around him. I say that with half parts sarcasm and fear.

[jfs1000d]

The trades we are hearing, maybe Celtics centric, are absolute home runs for Boston. I don't think Ainge should trade Rondo unless he gets the package talked about.

Rondo
Jeff Green

for

Parsons
Lin
Asik
4th guy?
2 picks

It is a huge haul. That's a 17 ppg scorer in Parsons (possibly 20 ppg guy going forward), starting C in Asik and a starting guard/trade bait in Lin for right now. Add in the two picks, even late and it is a great deal.

As far as Houston, they do it because (and I know Rockets fans are reading to get our opinion) you have no idea how good Rajon Rondo is. No idea. People, especially those that look at numbers, don't get it.

Think about this --- why would Toronto and Sacremento, Lakers, Phoenix and the Knicks (desperately) try and go after this guy? Toronto, Sac-town aren't even close to contending. What do they want with Rondo?

The guy supercharges your offense, makes the game easier for your and is a star. He isn't a great scorer, so he needs tools to work with. But, he made KG, Pierce and Ray relevant later in their careers by making then work less.

He is a Jason Kidd, Magic like effect on a game. He isn't the scorer magic is, but has that level passing ability and can control a game.

The other reason?

Rondo isn't friends with LeBron. He isn't friends with cp3, Durant or Westbrook. He doesn't like those guys. He wants to beat them.

Rondo is the only guy that kept Spolestra up at night. Off all the teams this Miami Heat team has faced in their 3 year run, the only team that legitimately scared them half to death was that Rondo led effort in the ECF. It took LeBron's greatest game of his career to keep the heat alive.

Who brought that out? Rondo.

Don't look at his numbers in aggregate.

That said, if we don't get Parson, I am not interested. I think a Parson's-less package makes us worse in the long run than Rondo coming back. Rondo will re-sign in Boston. That's not an issue. We either get bowled over, or keep him.

[jfs1000d]

Stein's covering all the bases now:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/436236085484470272[/tweet]

FWIW, cyberx was pretty sure they'd include Chandler if needed.

Is that the supposed 'leak' tonight, maybe? That Rox willing to add in Parsons?

Seems like a weird fit though. If Rondo got swapped with Parsons, who plays the three for HOU? Green would have to go with Rondo, or they'd have to land another alternative. And that point, there'd be zero established quality guys for Boston, so it stands to reason that Parsons would be flipped as well?

This is easy. Green either goes to Houston, or flipped to Cleveland for Deng. As far as Celtics. Asik is in the deal for our starting C, we have Sully for stating PF and Parson as starting SF.

That's a very good core for 3,4,5

Bradley/Lin is the backcourt for the rest of this year. Going forward? Marcus Smart maybe, Tyler Ennis,Shabazz Napier with a late first rounder. PGs can be had.

I would flip Bradley/Green to Cleveland for Waiters/Deng, send Deng to Houston with Rondo for Parsons, Asik, Lin and Picks.

[rickrolled]

4 team homer Idea:

BOS gets: Bargnani, Parsons, NOP pick '16, NYK pick '16, HOU pick '14 & '16

NYK gets: Tyreke, Lin

HOU gets: Rondo, Wallace

NOP gets: Asik, JR Smith

Boston: gets 4 first rounders for Rondo, Parsons and exchange Wallace 2 year 20 million for Bargnanis 1 year 12 million.

New York: dumps Bargnani and Smith and pays 1st to HOU for taking Lin and HOU send it to Boston. Tries to save their season.

Houston: dumps Lin and Asik, get 2 picks and send both NOP and NYK to Boston. Wallace is less of a poison pill than both Lin/Asik.

New Orleans: Dumps Evans ridiculous contract, and get Asik, send pick to NYK who send it to Boston for taking on Bargnani (out for the year), takes on less money/years in JR Smith.

[ryaningf]

This is easy. Green either goes to Houston, or flipped to Cleveland for Deng. As far as Celtics. Asik is in the deal for our starting C, we have Sully for stating PF and Parson as starting SF.

That's a very good core for 3,4,5

Bradley/Lin is the backcourt for the rest of this year. Going forward? Marcus Smart maybe, Tyler Ennis,Shabazz Napier with a late first rounder. PGs can be had.

I would flip Bradley/Green to Cleveland for Waiters/Deng, send Deng to Houston with Rondo for Parsons, Asik, Lin and Picks.

It's not that easy. Deng is especially hard to move since he was already traded once this year and it was after the Dec. 18th deadline he can't be packaged with any other players in any trades. Meaning you have to do a one-for-one trade. And he makes 14.2 million this year. Do the math.

Asik and Lin are fine role players, but essentially rentals to make #s work. If Boston makes this trade, they're going to ground zero and 5+ of rebuilding hell. Both guys would have to be moved in separate deals this time next year and we've already seen that neither guy is going to fetch much and after playing in the poopshow that would be the Celtics without Rondo their value will only depreciate.

Essentially you'd be getting Chandler and some kind of pick for Rondo. Not enough unless it's a lottery pick and that seems impossible.

[ryaningf]

And here's a nice WTF report from Amick:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/436249222640193536[/tweet]

[Celts17Pride]

Sam Amick‏@sam_amick
Makes sense for Houston to pursue Boston's Rondo (and @ESPNSteinLine says Rox have interest) but I'm told the two teams have not spoken.


Could it be that all the rumors are being generated from one source? Clutchfan?

[StojkoVrankovic]

I have no idea how folks can think this is a good trade

Parsons is a nice 3rd option on a team whose efficiency will take a beating as the focus of a defense. That is important because he isn't good at anything else on the court. Is anyone going to acknowledge his contract situation? Same length as rondo and he wants to get paid, how is this a good thing as the main piece of the deal?

Lin is a backup PG on a team that desperately wants to improve at PG. The owners will have to pay him 15 million next season. Not appealing

Ainge tried to get Asik for a pile of crap already but was hesitant, like every other team in the league, because nobody want to pay him 15 million next year.

There is a great chance that the pick we received for our coach will be better than these picks. Once again, how is this appealing in any way. They might as well be 2nd rounders


This trade makes us a middle of the road team, with an abundance of overpaid, crap assets.

This goes against everything we have ever heard in regards to what Danny is looking for. This is a bad move

[KGboss]

Do you thinK Danny doesnt know that? The whole proposal was hyperbowl by some guy on a messageboard much like this one.

[Put Back Dunk]

The trades we are hearing, maybe Celtics centric, are absolute home runs for Boston. I don't think Ainge should trade Rondo unless he gets the package talked about.

Rondo
Jeff Green

for

Parsons
Lin
Asik
4th guy?
2 picks

It is a huge haul. That's a 17 ppg scorer in Parsons (possibly 20 ppg guy going forward), starting C in Asik and a starting guard/trade bait in Lin for right now. Add in the two picks, even late and it is a great deal.

As far as Houston, they do it because (and I know Rockets fans are reading to get our opinion) you have no idea how good Rajon Rondo is. No idea. People, especially those that look at numbers, don't get it.

Think about this --- why would Toronto and Sacremento, Lakers, Phoenix and the Knicks (desperately) try and go after this guy? Toronto, Sac-town aren't even close to contending. What do they want with Rondo?

The guy supercharges your offense, makes the game easier for your and is a star. He isn't a great scorer, so he needs tools to work with. But, he made KG, Pierce and Ray relevant later in their careers by making then work less.

He is a Jason Kidd, Magic like effect on a game. He isn't the scorer magic is, but has that level passing ability and can control a game.

The other reason?

Rondo isn't friends with LeBron. He isn't friends with cp3, Durant or Westbrook. He doesn't like those guys. He wants to beat them.

Rondo is the only guy that kept Spolestra up at night. Off all the teams this Miami Heat team has faced in their 3 year run, the only team that legitimately scared them half to death was that Rondo led effort in the ECF. It took LeBron's greatest game of his career to keep the heat alive.

Who brought that out? Rondo.

Don't look at his numbers in aggregate.

That said, if we don't get Parson, I am not interested. I think a Parson's-less package makes us worse in the long run than Rondo coming back. Rondo will re-sign in Boston. That's not an issue. We either get bowled over, or keep him.

All the more reason to keep him in my opinion. It is MUCH easier to find someone to provide what Parsons brings to a team than what Rondo brings to the team, especially from their positions. Think of how many all-star caliber PGs there truly are in the league, now look at skilled wing players. The talent pool is not in Parson's favor in that respect. Parsons is definitely more talented than his numbers show, playing next to two all-stars himself will certainly impact ppg. From a rebuilding standpoint however the likelihood of adding someone that has Parson's abilities to a team that already has Rondo is something I trust Danny to do, but finding another Rondo just isn't as easy - lotto picks or not.

[Captain_Caveman]

Color me unenthused with the Parsons, Asik and Rockets picks (i.e. late first rounders) for Rondo offer.

Two quarters, two dimes for a nicked up Sacajawea dollar.

Yeah, no hate to the Rockets, but... no **** it, hate to the Rockets. Their fans driving me bananas with their inane homer nonsense. Talking all that **** and they wouldn't know winning basketball if it jumped up and bit them in the ass. Have won exactly one playoff series since the mid-90s, when they slipped through for a couple of watered-down rings while Jordan was off playing baseball. They doing OK right now, but let's be real... that team is softer than puppy ****. Howard is a huge wuss when the chips are down, as proven repeatedly. Harden, wuss. Parsons, wuss. Lin, wuss. For real.

If they want to go into battle with the current collection of sallies the have on that team, let them. I'll be over here with some crazy glue ready to put them back together when a team full of killers like the Thunder or Pacers rips them in half - which they absolutely will.

Don't need Rondo? Just want to watch Harden and your perimeter guys jack up contested threes while Howard curls up into the fetal position like he always does once the real season starts? Be my **** guest. The only thing we need from them in this deal is that lottery pick they don't even have yet.

And don't even get me started on their constant ball-waxing of Morey, who was basically Ainge's intern, for ****'s sake. See you when you never get there, homies.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Do you thinK Danny doesnt know that? The whole proposal was hyperbowl by some guy on a messageboard much like this one.

Unless Ainge has been lying to us this whole time we should be good

Young stud on a good contract, actual good picks, and sign me up. Overpaid crap to simply make the numbers work? No thanks

[DK-All Day]

Color me unenthused with the Parsons, Asik and Rockets picks (i.e. late first rounders) for Rondo offer.

Two quarters, two dimes for a nicked up Sacajawea dollar.

Yeah, no hate to the Rockets, but... no **** it, hate to the Rockets. Their fans driving me bananas with their inane homer nonsense. Talking all that **** and they wouldn't know winning basketball if it jumped up and bit them in the ass. Have won exactly one playoff series since the mid-90s, when they slipped through for a couple of watered-down rings while Jordan was off playing baseball. They doing OK right now, but let's be real... that team is softer than puppy ****. Howard is a huge wuss when the chips are down, as proven repeatedly. Harden, wuss. Parsons, wuss. Lin, wuss. For real.

If they want to go into battle with the current collection of sallies the have on that team, let them. I'll be over here with some crazy glue ready to put them back together when a team full of killers like the Thunder or Pacers rips them in half - which they absolutely will.

Don't need Rondo? Just want to watch Harden and your perimeter guys jack up contested threes while Howard curls up into the fetal position like he always does once the real season starts? Be my **** guest. The only thing we need from them in this deal is that lottery pick they don't even have yet.

And don't even get me started on their constant ball-waxing of Morey, who was basically Ainge's intern, for ****'s sake. See you when you never get there, homies.

This.

Morey is overrated as a GM.What has he done that makes him a good GM.Take advantage of Presti trying to trade Harden? The deals for Asik and Lin? Getting Dwight Howard? And even then Parsons recruited him.

[hiphop1]

Could DA be using Houston to get Sacto back to the table?

[reload141]

I thought it would be obvious by now, but clearly DA is trying to create a new dynasty that people haven't seen for decades. Trading Rondo for Parsons/Asik/ etc etc and then in the offseason go and get Hayward and Dragic then come next season finally, we can go back to the teams of old.

Dragic/Hayward/Parsons/Olynyk/Asik

TEAM WHITE!

[15th overall]

Sam Amick‏@sam_amick
Makes sense for Houston to pursue Boston's Rondo (and @ESPNSteinLine says Rox have interest) but I'm told the two teams have not spoken.


Could it be that all the rumors are being generated from one source? Clutchfan?

That would actually be pretty impressive.

[Celts17Pride]

Could DA be using Houston to get Sacto back to the table?

Could be no discussions at all and the internet is running wild with unfounded rumors.