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Post#61 » by Doormatt » Thu Mar 6, 2014 9:02 pm

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Doormatt wrote:well the only reasoon i want melo is with the assumption that love is almost a lock to come here in 2015. im still not convinced you can build a championship team around melo without getting really, really lucky. love+melo on the other hand, is very intriguing.


unfortunately, Melo+Love isn't really possible. Aside from the fact that they essentially play the same position (at least optimally), both would have to take significant pay cuts in consecutive years.

as for waiting a year for Love and keeping the cap clean next year, what if he doesn't end up coming? are those who want to wait for Love ready to have 3 lost seasons? I have changed my tune somewhat. if Melo is available and wants to come to LA, he should be the first option. I believe in Kobe's ability to get healthy for one last run.


melo might play a lot of 4 now, but he still spends nearly 50% of his time at the 3. the knicks highest minute lineup has melo at the 3. melo and love can easily coexist because they both have really strong perimeter games, they dont occupy the same spots on offense, there would be absolutely no problem. and melo is actually better defensively at the 3. they dont play the same positions optimally at all really, plus positions arent really concrete things in the modern nba. the only problem is neither of them are great ballhandlers so youd need a good 1/2 to get them the ball in the spots they like.

if melo is leaving hes going to take a paycut with the hopes that the team he signs with will have enough cap to bring him help. if hes leaving NY its cuz he wants to win, not get paid.
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Re: Melo signs with the Lakers if... 

Post#62 » by tviper » Fri Mar 7, 2014 2:43 am

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Doormatt wrote:well the only reasoon i want melo is with the assumption that love is almost a lock to come here in 2015. im still not convinced you can build a championship team around melo without getting really, really lucky. love+melo on the other hand, is very intriguing.


unfortunately, Melo+Love isn't really possible. Aside from the fact that they essentially play the same position (at least optimally), both would have to take significant pay cuts in consecutive years.

as for waiting a year for Love and keeping the cap clean next year, what if he doesn't end up coming? are those who want to wait for Love ready to have 3 lost seasons? I have changed my tune somewhat. if Melo is available and wants to come to LA, he should be the first option. I believe in Kobe's ability to get healthy for one last run.


melo might play a lot of 4 now, but he still spends nearly 50% of his time at the 3. the knicks highest minute lineup has melo at the 3. melo and love can easily coexist because they both have really strong perimeter games, they dont occupy the same spots on offense, there would be absolutely no problem. and melo is actually better defensively at the 3. they dont play the same positions optimally at all really, plus positions arent really concrete things in the modern nba. the only problem is neither of them are great ballhandlers so youd need a good 1/2 to get them the ball in the spots they like.

if melo is leaving hes going to take a paycut with the hopes that the team he signs with will have enough cap to bring him help. if hes leaving NY its cuz he wants to win, not get paid.


The issue isn't so much taking a pay cut it is the size of the pay cut. And it also assumes that Love will take a cut a year later just because Melo did. And all of this without actually talking to Love because that would be tampering. For example, there is about 30M available at most on the 2015 cap depending on where the cap comes in with only Kobe, 2014 pick and cap holds. So Melo would have to take at most 15M and less to be safe, say 14M, and then Love would have to do the same thing one year later after opting out. Can't see it.
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Post#63 » by tviper » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:57 pm

I didn't see the show, but I assume the site wouldn't just make up quotes:

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumo ... 014/03/10/

if true, the Melo scenario (if there truly was a rift between the two which I am still unsure of) becomes probable IMO. As posited in the OP, Melo+Monroe will be the targets and Nash will have to go along with MDA. I think the stretch provision will be used if nothing else materializes, but one idea I had is to trade Nash+asset for a signed Monroe to DET with the knowledge that Nash will retire if he gets traded (which he has given all indications that he will). Alternatively, trade Nash to TOR for a signed Lowry. Same thing, but at least it will be good PR for TOR prior to his retirement announcement. Not sure what asset LAL could add due to paucity of draft picks, but maybe someone else can enhance this idea.
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Post#64 » by LApwnd » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:56 pm

myersia wrote:Have a feeling Melo is going to the Bulls. If he does a Melo, Noah, and healthy D. Rose with Thibbs is a scary team!


they have to move Boozer, Gibson, Dunleavy....yea good luck with that but I hope they do it. East is a joke in terms of competition for the Heat after 1-2 at best 1-3, everything after is a bunch of avg. to below avg. team who wouldn't even sniff the playoffs in the west.
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Post#65 » by tviper » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:06 pm

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myersia wrote:Have a feeling Melo is going to the Bulls. If he does a Melo, Noah, and healthy D. Rose with Thibbs is a scary team!


they have to move Boozer, Gibson, Dunleavy....yea good luck with that but I hope they do it. East is a joke in terms of competition for the Heat after 1-2 at best 1-3, everything after is a bunch of avg. to below avg. team who wouldn't even sniff the playoffs in the west.


Yeah, this whole Melo to the Bulls is so far-fetched when you look at all the variables (cap, salary, personnel, etc.). Guess it makes a good story, but no way Melo is giving up 45M to go to a gutted roster.

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Re: Melo signs with the Lakers if... 

Post#66 » by Kilroy » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:07 pm

There are people mad at the Lakers Brass for not doing a better job mitigating the risk of this rebuild time we're in right now, by tempering our investment in vets and not trading away so many picks...

I'm guessing there are a fair amount of those same guys crying in this thread about going all in for Melo...

Melo is a top talent in the NBA, but he's a team's 'right now' and he hurts their future... I'm not ready to hurt the future of the Lakers for Melo... If we could structure a reasonable contract for him that ended about the same time as Kobe's, maybe we do that... But we still need our future franchise guy.
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Post#67 » by GeorgeDillion » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:35 pm

Do you think Love is that guy, because I don't think he's that guy either. Under the the requirements of Laker fans the only players that meet those qualifications are Lebron and possibly Durant currently.
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Re: Melo signs with the Lakers if... 

Post#68 » by Kilroy » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:39 pm

GeorgeDillion wrote:Do you think Love is that guy, because I don't think he's that guy either. Under the the requirements of Laker fans the only players that meet those qualifications are Lebron and possibly Durant currently.


I think we're all hoping Exum, Wiggins, or Embiid are that guy... But Love is a better piece to build around than Melo... More future, more size, better head, and not as system-specific...
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Post#69 » by tviper » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:03 pm

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GeorgeDillion wrote:Do you think Love is that guy, because I don't think he's that guy either. Under the the requirements of Laker fans the only players that meet those qualifications are Lebron and possibly Durant currently.


I think we're all hoping Exum, Wiggins, or Embiid are that guy... But Love is a better piece to build around than Melo... More future, more size, better head, and not as system-specific...


I think all things equal I might take Love, but the problem is that he may not even be available in 2015. If so, there is 3 lost seasons (at least). With Melo you have a great number 2 to go with Kobe and the draft pick can begin his career on a winning team, learning from the best.
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Post#70 » by Sina24 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:04 pm

Just remember is Melo signs he comes with a lot of baggage for instance he brings his clan from the Denver nuggets which means J.R. smith :evil:
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Post#71 » by pdub15 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:07 pm

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ScHoolBoy B wrote:You forgot one thing...We have to fire Dantoni. He won't come here if Dantoni is still head coach.


I have a feeling Mike D will get fired this off season and be replaced with Byron Scott. Notice Byron is working for Time Warner Sports Network with his old assistant coach. Seems like Lakers & Time Warner have him there to eventually replace Mike D


If anything they have been grooming Madsen and fast tracking him into working with the first team. I doubt they go for any of the older cast offs who already have had ample opportunities like Rambis, Scott, Karl etc.


Normally I would agree with you but with them purposely having Scott around the team with his top assistant that seems like the Lakers front office waiting in the wings once they dumb Mike D
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Post#72 » by Edrees » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:24 am

I would take Melo just so D'antoni could be gone. Melo + another coach is better than D'antoni + any free agents available.
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Post#73 » by tviper » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:55 pm

After that train wreck of a scene by Nash (I want the money), it does not appear that retirement is in the cards. As mentioned above, perhaps TOR would trade for Nash purely for the PR boost? Probably a long shot but it seems like it could be worthwhile to TOR in terms of ticket and jersey sales, especially if Nash gets back on the court next year.

Doubt that TOR let's Lowry get away despite the media reports of his availability (I believe doc reviewed the possible teams looking for a PG and concluded that it is a much smaller market for Lowry than it seems), but would TOR trade Salmons for Nash straight up? Salmons' contract is guaranteed for only 1M in 2014-15, meaning the Lakers could waive him and go after the plan in the OP (Melo+Monroe).

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l8wywm8

Note: this trade could happen the day after TOR is eliminated from the playoffs. Salmons would have to be waived by June 30th.
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Post#74 » by LApwnd » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:31 pm

Sina24 wrote:Just remember is Melo signs he comes with a lot of baggage for instance he brings his clan from the Denver nuggets which means J.R. smith :evil:


where are you getting this from? 1st off there's NOTHING NY can do to us to force us to take Smith and 2ndly Melo isn't the biggest fan of Smith either. I remember when they interviewed him about bringing back smith he didn't really sound thrilled just more of "meh" attitude.
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Post#75 » by tviper » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:59 pm

The media has been beating the drums recently about Melo joining either Houston or Chicago after exercising his ETO and the TB has been posting all kinds of scenarios as a result. So I thought I would take a closer look and see whether it was at all plausible. Note, I am using info from Pincus on BBInsiders.

Houston
Waive/Renounce: Caspi, Covington, Daniels (all have non-guaranteed contracts), no QO to Smith
Options: Garcia exercises PO, HOU exercises TO on Parsons, HOU guarantees Beverly
Trade: Asik, Lin
Total available=21.5M (assuming 62.9M cap)

The HOU scenario is entirely dependent on HOU trading BOTH Lin and Asik into cap space and receiving no salary in return. Given the fact that both are due 15M next year and neither are 15M players, it seems like a tall order.

Chicago
Waive/Renounce: Hinrich, DJ, Shengelia, Murphy, Fredette, Mohammed, Boozer (amnesty)
Total available=a tad over 17M

The CHI scenario is even more farfetched. First, one has to assume that the notoriously cheap owner will pay Boozer not to play. Second, that several contributors this year are expendable (not a huge stretch, but an assumption nevertheless). Third, that either Melo takes tens of millions less to come to CHI or CHI trades Taj into some team's cap space. Fourth, that Mirotic is NOT coming over, because no room to sign him (and as I understand it, the MLE cannot be used because it has to be renounced in the cap space calculation to sign Melo).
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Post#76 » by leeprettyp » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:04 pm

GeorgeDillion wrote:Do you think Love is that guy, because I don't think he's that guy either. Under the the requirements of Laker fans the only players that meet those qualifications are Lebron and possibly Durant currently.


Even though he's not an option Anthony Davis fits that bill also bro.
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Post#77 » by lakersin4 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:03 pm

tviper wrote:After that train wreck of a scene by Nash (I want the money), it does not appear that retirement is in the cards. As mentioned above, perhaps TOR would trade for Nash purely for the PR boost? Probably a long shot but it seems like it could be worthwhile to TOR in terms of ticket and jersey sales, especially if Nash gets back on the court next year.

Doubt that TOR let's Lowry get away despite the media reports of his availability (I believe doc reviewed the possible teams looking for a PG and concluded that it is a much smaller market for Lowry than it seems), but would TOR trade Salmons for Nash straight up? Salmons' contract is guaranteed for only 1M in 2014-15, meaning the Lakers could waive him and go after the plan in the OP (Melo+Monroe).

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l8wywm8

Note: this trade could happen the day after TOR is eliminated from the playoffs. Salmons would have to be waived by June 30th.
I like this idea alot.. Nothing for Toronto to give up, makes sense for them financially with the marketing angle, we get the cap space to land Melo & still be able to keep Hill & Young.. Really really hope this happens.
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Post#78 » by Mamba Venom » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:07 am

If the Lakers get the #1 pick then there is a chance. But Phil prob wont let his star go. If we hired Phil instead of D'A everything would be different now.

Best thing to do is improve stats for the lotto since we are eliminated from play-offs. DA finally wins 2 games in a row. He is just cursed it seems.
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