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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#61 » by Heat3 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:47 pm

I don't get the angst over how the 12th-15th man on the bench is used or not used. These are guys that are brought into work in practice and help the core group out.

Liggins "could've helped us"....yeah right. A D-leaguer that no one else had signed before us is the missing piece of a championship team! :roll:

Like someone else said, if any of these guys ever see the court cause we "need" them then we are screwed anyway. This isn't 07-08 where all the scrubs are playing starter minutes. I don't want to see them on the court. Especially over guys that are already on the team and have been for years.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#62 » by aquaadverse » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:13 pm

nbhadja wrote:Riley and Spo are one of the most incompetent front office combos when it comes to drafting and developing young players. Hamilton won't play one bit even in blowout games.


Yeah, because every team uses 15 man rotations. Especially teams that are looking at 4 trips to the Finals.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#63 » by CablexDeadpool » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:36 am

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Liggins "could've helped us"....yeah right. A D-leaguer that no one else had signed before us is the missing piece of a championship team! :roll:


He was on the Thunder and Magic.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#64 » by Heat3 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:17 pm

and both those teams came to the same conclusion miami did.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#65 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:42 pm

The difference between Hamilton and is Liggins is that Liggins being a wing would have taken minutes away from Lebron/Wade/Battier/Allen/Douglas/Beasley.

Very unlikely he would have gotten minutes over the first 4 or 5.

Hamilton being a true Center that can spread the floor can potentially take minutes from Bosh/Bird/Oden/Haslem.

He's already better then Haslem, and we have no idea what Oden will bring later on.

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Anyway we're just not using young players enough IMO, not developing them well. if you look at OKC they got Andre Roberson late in the draft, sent him to the Dleague but still brought him back and gave him 250 minutes next to Durant so far. At least they gave him a chance and got to see what he's got. He's not much better then Hamilton from a talent standpoint, if he's even better. And they have a lot of other wings, more then we have real Centers. But they found a way to give kid some minutes. He got some experience, the old wings got some rest. And the coaches saw what he needs to work on.

We're too scared/shortsighted to do that, we won't give Hamilton a chance until maybe next year, so we'll be 2 steps behind because he'll be completely green, we won't know for sure what players we need to add this summer, and Birdman just keeps login in big minutes at his age.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#66 » by fishfuego. » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:37 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:The difference between Hamilton and is Liggins is that Liggins being a wing would have taken minutes away from Lebron/Wade/Battier/Allen/Douglas/Beasley.

Very unlikely he would have gotten minutes over the first 4 or 5.

Hamilton being a true Center that can spread the floor can potentially take minutes from Bosh/Bird/Oden/Haslem.

He's already better then Haslem, and we have no idea what Oden will bring later on.

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Anyway we're just not using young players enough IMO, not developing them well. if you look at OKC they got Andre Roberson late in the draft, sent him to the Dleague but still brought him back and gave him 250 minutes next to Durant so far. At least they gave him a chance and got to see what he's got. He's not much better then Hamilton from a talent standpoint, if he's even better. And they have a lot of other wings, more then we have real Centers. But they found a way to give kid some minutes. He got some experience, the old wings got some rest. And the coaches saw what he needs to work on.

We're too scared/shortsighted to do that, we won't give Hamilton a chance until maybe next year, so we'll be 2 steps behind because he'll be completely green, we won't know for sure what players we need to add this summer, and Birdman just keeps login in big minutes at his age.

I completely agree here.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#67 » by heat4life » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:21 pm

I believe because of the luxury tax penalties, we will resort to more youth at the end of our bench next season. Whether they will be more involved or not remains to be seen. It all comes down to what the coaching staff finds acceptable in order to get minutes. Norris Cole was able to get minutes as a rookie because he fit a need and performed his job without getting in the way of winning. Maybe Hamilton is ready to make such contributions next season. We'll see I guess.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#68 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:08 pm

heat4life wrote:I believe because of the luxury tax penalties, we will resort to more youth at the end of our bench next season. Whether they will be more involved or not remains to be seen. It all comes down to what the coaching staff finds acceptable in order to get minutes. Norris Cole was able to get minutes as a rookie because he fit a need and performed his job without getting in the way of winning. Maybe Hamilton is ready to make such contributions next season. We'll see I guess.


I hate that logic. It's not even about the money, it's about getting better. Why not try to get better, explore all the options. You've got a true stretch Center on the bench, we're half-assing most of these games, Battier and Birdman are old. Would it kill Spo to give Hamilton 10 minutes? I hate that passive, wait until you're desperate, uncreative, timid planning.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#69 » by heat4life » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:07 pm

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heat4life wrote:I believe because of the luxury tax penalties, we will resort to more youth at the end of our bench next season. Whether they will be more involved or not remains to be seen. It all comes down to what the coaching staff finds acceptable in order to get minutes. Norris Cole was able to get minutes as a rookie because he fit a need and performed his job without getting in the way of winning. Maybe Hamilton is ready to make such contributions next season. We'll see I guess.


I hate that logic. It's not even about the money, it's about getting better. Why not try to get better, explore all the options. You've got a true stretch Center on the bench, we're half-assing most of these games, Battier and Birdman are old. Would it kill Spo to give Hamilton 10 minutes? I hate that passive, wait until you're desperate, uncreative, timid planning.


When has a Pat Riley ran team been passive, desperate, uncreative and timid in planning? SInce 1995 (19 years) the team has missed the playoffs only 3 seasons. Are we really that spoiled? The organization is not perfect but you can't complain about the overall results Riley has given us. We could be the Miami Dolphins who have done the complete opposite since 1995.

Let Riley do things his way since he delivers results. I am sure if Riley has issues with how Spoelstra is running the team, Spo would be the first to know. The team focus is winning the championship, not finding minutes for the end of the bench players.

The sooner you understand that, the more you will enjoy the team you have in front of you. This is not going to last forever you know. Like Dolphins fans, one day we will long for the days we are living now as a Heat fan. Book it.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#70 » by AlexCRO » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:36 pm

Liggins returned to our affiliate Sioux Falls Skyforce for the rest of the season if anybody was wondering... good for him and for us to still have this kid in our system... will get a look in the offseason
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#71 » by nbhadja » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:53 pm

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nbhadja wrote:Riley and Spo are one of the most incompetent front office combos when it comes to drafting and developing young players. Hamilton won't play one bit even in blowout games.


Yeah, because every team uses 15 man rotations. Especially teams that are looking at 4 trips to the Finals.


Riley does a poor job drafting and developing young players. We have a massive hole at center this team would be much better with a decent center rotation. I don't care how many titles we have won it is about maximizing the team's potential. Indy has a decent chance of beating us because we have no center. If we had a center Indy would have a very low chance of beating us.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#72 » by aquaadverse » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:12 pm

nbhadja wrote:
aquaadverse wrote:
nbhadja wrote:Riley and Spo are one of the most incompetent front office combos when it comes to drafting and developing young players. Hamilton won't play one bit even in blowout games.


Yeah, because every team uses 15 man rotations. Especially teams that are looking at 4 trips to the Finals.


Riley does a poor job drafting and developing young players. We have a massive hole at center this team would be much better with a decent center rotation. I don't care how many titles we have won it is about maximizing the team's potential. Indy has a decent chance of beating us because we have no center. If we had a center Indy would have a very low chance of beating us.


Nonsense. You don't care about results because it messes with your argument. Name the number of teams with 3 titles in less than 10 years. You can only argue a negative that's unprovable that we would have won more titles if they only followed your theories. Indy hasn't beaten us yet, but you're already making arguments like they have.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#73 » by Jaxon » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:12 am

He's looked good the past two games.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#74 » by RexBoyWonder » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:24 am

Jaxon wrote:He's looked good the past two games.


Not playing enough for us to really tell.

Knowing Spo he'll never give him a real chance even against the Sixers at home up 30 at half time.

This kid should get 15 minutes against every scrub team we play until the playoffs, no need to wear down Birdman we all know how important he is.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#75 » by Heat_team02 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:20 pm

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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#76 » by RJM » Wed Apr 2, 2014 2:01 am

Meh. Certainly has the goofy factor down pat.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#77 » by gom » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:00 pm

Anyone have clues about the summer league Miami team? Obviously our draft picks will be there along with Hamilton and probably Liggins too.
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Re: Justin Hamilton signed; Liggins waived 

Post#78 » by dancing2thabeet » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:28 pm

Ennis and maybe Eric Griffin. Varnado again? Probably a few players from the D-League affiliate.
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Post#79 » by ReturnofFlash » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:39 pm

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