2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[Negrodamus]

Wow, Jerami Grant and James Young are better than Julius Randle? Young has no business in the draft and Jerami Grant is a direct beneficiary of Ennis setting him up. Ennis should be higher than those two too.

If Randle was a great athlete or a great shooter I could buy your argument. But right now he relies way too much on outmuscling college kids who will never sniff the NBA while getting an escort to the free throw line. Combine this with his short wingspan and difficulties finishing over length, and you have a red flag.

I agree that James Young should not enter the draft yet but his talent is clear. When he has one of his good games, like against Wichita, there are flashes of greatness. Is there something you saw when watching Young that indicates a bust?

Wait, Randle isn't a good athlete? I'm pretty sure he's freakishly athletic if he's able to yam over guys with his "short wingspan" that everyone brings up. And for some reason, people think assertive takes to the basket don't yield free throws in the NBA. He will still get to the line often in the pros.

James Young doesn't shoot very high percentages as the "sharp shooter" for UK. He's not terribly good at finishing in traffic. He's a very streaky player overall. I'm not interested in taking him right now, but if he stays another year and shows improvement, I'd listen.

[LloydFree]

Wow, Jerami Grant and James Young are better than Julius Randle? Young has no business in the draft and Jerami Grant is a direct beneficiary of Ennis setting him up. Ennis should be higher than those two too.

If Randle was a great athlete or a great shooter I could buy your argument. But right now he relies way too much on outmuscling college kids who will never sniff the NBA while getting an escort to the free throw line. Combine this with his short wingspan and difficulties finishing over length, and you have a red flag.

I agree that James Young should not enter the draft yet but his talent is clear. When he has one of his good games, like against Wichita, there are flashes of greatness. Is there something you saw when watching Young that indicates a bust?

Wait, Randle isn't a good athlete? I'm pretty sure he's freakishly athletic if he's able to yam over guys with his "short wingspan" that everyone brings up. And for some reason, people think assertive takes to the basket don't yield free throws in the NBA. He will still get to the line often in the pros.

James Young doesn't shoot very high percentagess the "sharp shooter" for UK. He's not terribly good at finishing in traffic. He's a very streaky player overall. I'm not interested in taking him right now, but if he stays another year and shows improvement, I'd listen.

It may seem like I'm debating semantics, but Randle is far from a freakish athlete. He is a good athlete. But he does not have an athletic advantage over NBA PFs.

[Negrodamus]

If Randle was a great athlete or a great shooter I could buy your argument. But right now he relies way too much on outmuscling college kids who will never sniff the NBA while getting an escort to the free throw line. Combine this with his short wingspan and difficulties finishing over length, and you have a red flag.

I agree that James Young should not enter the draft yet but his talent is clear. When he has one of his good games, like against Wichita, there are flashes of greatness. Is there something you saw when watching Young that indicates a bust?

Wait, Randle isn't a good athlete? I'm pretty sure he's freakishly athletic if he's able to yam over guys with his "short wingspan" that everyone brings up. And for some reason, people think assertive takes to the basket don't yield free throws in the NBA. He will still get to the line often in the pros.

James Young doesn't shoot very high percentagess the "sharp shooter" for UK. He's not terribly good at finishing in traffic. He's a very streaky player overall. I'm not interested in taking him right now, but if he stays another year and shows improvement, I'd listen.

It may seem like I'm debating semantics, but Randle is far from a freakish athlete. He is a good athlete. But he does not have an athletic advantage over NBA PFs.

I don't know what's a good gauge for athleticism, but he looks pretty athletic here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuyD3JOwnug

[sixers hoops]

Wow, Jerami Grant and James Young are better than Julius Randle? Young has no business in the draft and Jerami Grant is a direct beneficiary of Ennis setting him up. Ennis should be higher than those two too.

If Randle was a great athlete or a great shooter I could buy your argument. But right now he relies way too much on outmuscling college kids who will never sniff the NBA while getting an escort to the free throw line. Combine this with his short wingspan and difficulties finishing over length, and you have a red flag.

I agree that James Young should not enter the draft yet but his talent is clear. When he has one of his good games, like against Wichita, there are flashes of greatness. Is there something you saw when watching Young that indicates a bust?

Wait, Randle isn't a good athlete? I'm pretty sure he's freakishly athletic if he's able to yam over guys with his "short wingspan" that everyone brings up. And for some reason, people think assertive takes to the basket don't yield free throws in the NBA. He will still get to the line often in the pros.

James Young doesn't shoot very high percentages as the "sharp shooter" for UK. He's not terribly good at finishing in traffic. He's a very streaky player overall. I'm not interested in taking him right now, but if he stays another year and shows improvement, I'd listen.

Recently, I was looking over Randle's measurements and I believe he has the same reach and wingspan as Blake, Love, and Thad, give or take a half inch here or there. He also has about 30-40 pounds on Thad at the same age. He may not have good measurements by many scouts standards, but nothing that would preclude him from being a successful PF.

If he can develop his game like Love or Blake, he will have a bright future.

[sixers hoops]

2014 Draft board (as of 3/28/14

Tier 1: Franchise players

1. Andrew Wiggins, 6'8 SF Kansas (Paul George)
2. Joel Embiid, 7'0 C Kansas (Jermaine O'Neil-Dikembe Mtoumbo Hybrid)

Tier 2: All star talent

3. Jabari Parker, 6'9 PF Duke (Derrick Coleman w/better handle)
4. Noah Vonleh, 6'9 PF Indiana (Jamaal Mashburn-David West Hybrid)
5. Dante Exum, 6'6 PG/SG Australia

Tier 3: Solid NBA starters

6. Marcus Smart, 6'4 SG OK St (Chauncey Billups-Lance Stevenson Hybrid)
7. Kyle Anderson, 6'9 SF UCLA (Jalen Rose)
8. James Young, 6'7 SG Kentucky (more athletic Richard Hamilton/Kevin Martin)
9. Aaron Gordon, 6'8 SF Arizona (Shawn Marion lite)
10.Jerami Grant, 6'8 SF Syracuse (Gerald Wallace w/better shooting potential)
11.Julius Randle, 6'9 PF Kentucky (Something between Paul Milsap and Corlis Williamson)
12.Tyler Ennis, 6'2 PG Syracuse (Mike Bibby)
13.Nick Stauskas, 6'6 SG Michigan (bigger Steve Blake w/range)
14.Adrien Payne, 6'10 PF Michigan St (David West lite)

Tier 4: unfinished NBA athletes and skilled NBA backups

15. Montrezl Harrell, 6'8 PF Loisville (Ben Wallace lite)
16.Jusuf Nurkic, 6'11 C Bosnia
17. Semaj Christon, 6'3 PG Xavier (John Wall lite)
18. Rodney Hood, 6'8 SG/SF, Duke
19. Gary Harris, 6'4 SG Michigan St
20. Cleanthony Early, 6'8 SF Witchita St
21. PJ Hairston, 6'5 SG UNC
22. Chris Walker, 6'10 PF Florida
23. Doug McDermott, 6'8 SF Creigton (Mike Miller at half speed)
24. Willie Caulie-Stein, 7'0 C Kentucky (poor mans Javalle McGee)
25. Isaiah Austin, 7'1 C Baylor (Spencer Hawes)
26. Markel Brown, 6'3 SG OK ST
27. Andrew Harrison, 6'5 PG Kentucky
28. Wayne Seldon, 6'5 SG Kansas
29. Jahi Carson 5'11 PG Arizona State
30. Elfrid Payton, 6'4 PG LA-lafayette

Cleanthony Early really impressed me.

Who in your top 14 have not yet declared?

Wiggins? Parker, Gordon, Randle, Young?

[LloydFree]

^^^^ I think James Young would be crazy to go back. Coach Cal hasn't helped him or the Twins become better. And since he will over-recruit their positions, you never know if he is going g to show loyalty to his returning players.

[MRxBLACK]

Pumped for this Louisville Kentucky game!

[Mik317]

Kentucky is gettign bodied and WCS is limping.

welp

[PhilasFinest]

This is turning out to be a pretty damn good game.

[PhilasFinest]

Oh my young!

[PhilasFinest]

Man this is a great game!

[Mik317]

Got home just in time to see this mayhem.

[PhilasFinest]

Randle got robbed, that was a phenomenal block and play on D.

[MRxBLACK]

Randle with clutch FTs, great job by Kentucky.

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[ankle420breaker]

Randle got robbed, that was a phenomenal block and play on D.

Ball didn't lie on that first free throw.

Randle playing winning basketball down the stretch.

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[PhilasFinest]

Well on terms of prospects tonight:

Payne is growing on me....I know he's 23, but he's a pretty complete, skilled PF. He's long, can defend, scores round the basket and shoot the ball. Would be a good fit next to a center like Noel.

Russ Smith, I'd absolutely take in the 2nd if he was available. He's small. But can flat out score and is a gamer.

Montrezl Harrell, is another big growing on me. His offense is raw, so I'm not sure if he and Noel would be tailor made fits on offense.....but his energy,motor,athleticism and strength would be welcomed addition to our core and defense.

Randle continues to fly under the radar. He needs development, but his tools are really good....once he tightens his handle, slows down a bit and refines his jumper....he could be a beast.

[ankle420breaker]

Harrison twins are going to be good. Good size, they play calm and collected, and have pretty form on their shots.

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[Skates]

Randle looked good, very skilled, very good but not great athlete, good but not great size. He reminds me far less of a Webber level talent and more of a Clark Kellogg before the injuries level talent with a bit higher skill level.

Payne and Harrell have nice NBA bodies, very different, but both look like solid NBA players. Walker from Florida has a great NBA body and athleticism too. James Young doesn't do a lot for me yet, would prefer to see him play another year in college.

The Harrison twins are meh even when they are playing better. Andrew looks Jeff McInnis like, good size, not a great athlete, Aaron looks like he will too out at the good college player level.

[snoopdogg88]

Not surprised by this result
Even though they struggled with chemistry all year, I knew this Kentucky team would be dangerous come tournament time. They are just too talented

Randle, Young, Harrison's, WCS, Johnson,

That's a good team, they just had to learn how to play together.

[SixerFever215]

Good game Louisville really isn't that talented NCAA tournament is all about match ups Kentucky is just OK not in special the Harrison twins need to stay in school.