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[DCZards]

Among 2s Beal is ranked

30th in PER
55th in TS
31st in rebounding rate
33rd in assist rate
9th in turnover rate

Where is Beal ranked among 2s in age and experience?

[tontoz]

Among 2s Beal is ranked

30th in PER
55th in TS
31st in rebounding rate
33rd in assist rate
9th in turnover rate

Where is Beal ranked among 2s in age and experience?

No idea. I am only looking at how he stacks up against other NBA players since there seems to be some dispute as to how good he is right now, relative to other NBA players.

And while he is certainly young he has played significant minutes from day 1. He hasn't been in the same situation as Otto.

But since you brought it up he seems to be in the same ballpark as the other wings in his draft class (Waiters, Lamb, Ross) who haven't played as many minutes as he has. Obviously he is younger though.

[DCZards]

Among 2s Beal is ranked

30th in PER
55th in TS
31st in rebounding rate
33rd in assist rate
9th in turnover rate

Where is Beal ranked among 2s in age and experience?

No idea. I am only looking at how he stacks up against other NBA players since there seems to be some dispute as to how good he is right now, relative to other NBA players.

And while he is certainly young he has played significant minutes from day 1. He hasn't been in the same situation as Otto.

But since you brought it up he seems to be in the same ballpark as the other wings in his draft class (Waiters, Lamb, Ross) who haven't played as many minutes as he has. Obviously he is younger though.

Playing significant minutes has probably hurt Beal's #s and ranking among SGs. Very few NBA players have been asked to play the minutes or the major role that Beal has played in his first two years...and at the ages of 19 and 20.

[hands11]

Re: Beal, I had a thought and looked it up on bball ref, my suspicion is confirmed. Beal is having of the most prolific 3pt shooting seasons in league history for a player his age:


http://bkref.com/tiny/2MYJb

^Players under 21 who have shot 39% or better from three, ranked by attempts.

http://bkref.com/tiny/w9AdH

^The same, but for players under 20.


And keep in mind, this includes Beal's recent three game slump when he shot 1-16 from 3pt.

Does this mean he's a great player? No, not at all. But he projects to be elite in at least one area that's actually measurable.

So for those of you who like to focus on what players do well: Beal shoots the three quite well, historically well for a player his age.

I revised it a little, minimum 1000 mp and minimum 1 3PA/G. It's a really short list now.
http://bkref.com/tiny/rNEeS

Out of curiously, I took those links and adjusted them into advanced view and per 36. The finding are interesting. I also filtered by 20 and under without the 3 pt shooting restriction and did the same. 19 year old Beal and 20 year Beal showed up when I did that. As well as 19 and 20 year old Kobe and Kyrie. Again, the results were interesting.

[doclinkin]

Re: Beal, I had a thought and looked it up on bball ref, my suspicion is confirmed. Beal is having of the most prolific 3pt shooting seasons in league history for a player his age:


http://bkref.com/tiny/2MYJb

^Players under 21 who have shot 39% or better from three, ranked by attempts.

http://bkref.com/tiny/w9AdH

^The same, but for players under 20.


And keep in mind, this includes Beal's recent three game slump when he shot 1-16 from 3pt.

Does this mean he's a great player? No, not at all. But he projects to be elite in at least one area that's actually measurable.

So for those of you who like to focus on what players do well: Beal shoots the three quite well, historically well for a player his age.

I revised it a little, minimum 1000 mp and minimum 1 3PA/G. It's a really short list now.
http://bkref.com/tiny/rNEeS

Yeah, though out of a pool of few players. Since basically 1999. Fewer than 80 in total so it's tough to suggest that he's historically great since it is only during the era of one-and-done that we've had many young players playing heavy minutes against which to compare him.

[gtn130]

Are people ITT really trying to talk themselves into believing Beal has played well this year?

Beal has been inefficient all season and has awful shot selection. He has killed us on so many possessions with great regularity. Comparing ONLY his three point shooting stats vs a random subset of competition is completely arbitrary and proves nothing.

But even though it's an indisputable fact that he's been mediocre this season, I still think he's going to be an awesome player because he has a ton of potential and is only 20 years old. I love Beal. He is awesome. Still, he isn't playing very well this year.

[montestewart]

Re: Beal, I had a thought and looked it up on bball ref, my suspicion is confirmed. Beal is having of the most prolific 3pt shooting seasons in league history for a player his age:


http://bkref.com/tiny/2MYJb

^Players under 21 who have shot 39% or better from three, ranked by attempts.

http://bkref.com/tiny/w9AdH

^The same, but for players under 20.


And keep in mind, this includes Beal's recent three game slump when he shot 1-16 from 3pt.

Does this mean he's a great player? No, not at all. But he projects to be elite in at least one area that's actually measurable.

So for those of you who like to focus on what players do well: Beal shoots the three quite well, historically well for a player his age.

I revised it a little, minimum 1000 mp and minimum 1 3PA/G. It's a really short list now.
http://bkref.com/tiny/rNEeS

Yeah, though out of a pool of few players. Since basically 1999. Fewer than 80 in total so it's tough to suggest that he's historically great since it is only during the era of one-and-done that we've had many young players playing heavy minutes against which to compare him.

Yeah? Well how many of those were as young as Beal? Hater!

[hands11]

Where is Beal ranked among 2s in age and experience?

No idea. I am only looking at how he stacks up against other NBA players since there seems to be some dispute as to how good he is right now, relative to other NBA players.

And while he is certainly young he has played significant minutes from day 1. He hasn't been in the same situation as Otto.

But since you brought it up he seems to be in the same ballpark as the other wings in his draft class (Waiters, Lamb, Ross) who haven't played as many minutes as he has. Obviously he is younger though.

Playing significant minutes has probably hurt Beal's #s and ranking among SGs. Very few NBA players have been asked to play the minutes or the major role that Beal has played in his first two years...and at the ages of 19 and 20.

I tried to get the settings right so I wasn't filtering out SGs who did things well like ASTs but in doing so you get some PGs in there.

http://bkref.com/tiny/9rm48

Beal shoots to much for the amount of times he gets to the line. Last year Beal was more efficient then this year. Dude takes to many shots. 15.9 a game is more then Kobe took at that age in more minutes but Kobe got to the line 5.8 vs Beals 2.6 If he wants to be a bigger impact SG, he has to get to the line.

Beal is in exclusive company when it comes to SGs at his age that got up as many attempts per game as he has. Really just him, Kobe and Tyreke Evans.

[tontoz]

Playing significant minutes has probably hurt Beal's #s and ranking among SGs. Very few NBA players have been asked to play the minutes or the major role that Beal has played in his first two years...and at the ages of 19 and 20.

At times Beal has been overworked but I think most people would agree more playing time is helpful to young players. Players generally develop faster on the court than on the bench.

I also think Beal has benefited from playing with a pass first pg who can break down defenses. Playing with me first pgs like Irving/Westbrook has probably worked against Waiters/Lamb.

[DCZards]

Playing significant minutes has probably hurt Beal's #s and ranking among SGs. Very few NBA players have been asked to play the minutes or the major role that Beal has played in his first two years...and at the ages of 19 and 20.

At times Beal has been overworked but I think most people would agree more playing time is helpful to young players. Players generally develop faster on the court than on the bench.

I also think Beal has benefited from playing with a pass first pg who can break down defenses. Playing with me first pgs like Irving/Westbrook has probably worked against Waiters/Lamb.

I agree. Playing a ton of minutes and being heavily relied on to score may hurt Beal's numbers and efficiency in the short term but it definitely should help his long-term development.

[DCZards]

Are people ITT really trying to talk themselves into believing Beal has played well this year?

Beal has been inefficient all season and has awful shot selection. He has killed us on so many possessions with great regularity. Comparing ONLY his three point shooting stats vs a random subset of competition is completely arbitrary and proves nothing.

But even though it's an indisputable fact that he's been mediocre this season, I still think he's going to be an awesome player because he has a ton of potential and is only 20 years old. I love Beal. He is awesome. Still, he isn't playing very well this year.

I don't think anyone here thinks Beal has played well this year. (Ok...maybe in spurts like he did last night against the Bucks.).

Agree with you on Double B's potential though.