#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[Eoghan]

Which begs the question: how would the Bobcats have done with Biyombo at center all season instead of Jefferson?

Close to 35 wins or so but if we lucked out on draft picks or better spent our FA money to replace Hendo we'd arguably be a much better team next year than we are going to be, IMO.

[HornetJail]

Which begs the question: how would the Bobcats have done with Biyombo at center all season instead of Jefferson?

Close to 35 wins or so but if we lucked out on draft picks or better spent our FA money to replace Hendo we'd arguably be a much better team next year than we are going to be, IMO.

I don't think so. Biz was amazing in his role this season, but if you think upgrading the starting C role from Biz to Al only netted us 8 wins, I don't know what to tell you man. Biz isn't ready to be a full time starter even if he only plays Hibbert minutes (aka <30 min). I love Biz to death, but we don't make the playoffs without Big Al... we don't even come close, and I think we're tanking by February without him. The lack of offense is simply too much to overcome. I'd be surprised if we topped 30 wins. Very surprised.

[Liver_Pooty]

Which begs the question: how would the Bobcats have done with Biyombo at center all season instead of Jefferson?

Close to 35 wins or so but if we lucked out on draft picks or better spent our FA money to replace Hendo we'd arguably be a much better team next year than we are going to be, IMO.

I don't think so. Biz was amazing in his role this season, but if you think upgrading the starting C role from Biz to Al only netted us 8 wins, I don't know what to tell you man. Biz isn't ready to be a full time starter even if he only plays Hibbert minutes (aka <30 min). I love Biz to death, but we don't make the playoffs without Big Al... we don't even come close, and I think we're tanking by February without him. The lack of offense is simply too much to overcome. I'd be surprised if we topped 30 wins. Very surprised.

Funny thing with BD is that he was against getting Big Al thinking it would put us in no mans land as far as getting our pick from Chicago, but yet he said if we had Biyombo playing instead of Jefferson we would have gotten 35 wins or so. Thats about as close to not making the playoffs and Chicago getting our pick as it gets.

[HornetJail]

Close to 35 wins or so but if we lucked out on draft picks or better spent our FA money to replace Hendo we'd arguably be a much better team next year than we are going to be, IMO.

I don't think so. Biz was amazing in his role this season, but if you think upgrading the starting C role from Biz to Al only netted us 8 wins, I don't know what to tell you man. Biz isn't ready to be a full time starter even if he only plays Hibbert minutes (aka <30 min). I love Biz to death, but we don't make the playoffs without Big Al... we don't even come close, and I think we're tanking by February without him. The lack of offense is simply too much to overcome. I'd be surprised if we topped 30 wins. Very surprised.

Funny thing with BD is that he was against getting Big Al thinking it would put us in no mans land as far as getting our pick from Chicago, but yet he said if we had Biyombo playing instead of Jefferson we would have gotten 35 wins or so. Thats about as close to not making the playoffs and Chicago getting our pick as it gets.

[Eoghan]

Close to 35 wins or so but if we lucked out on draft picks or better spent our FA money to replace Hendo we'd arguably be a much better team next year than we are going to be, IMO.

I don't think so. Biz was amazing in his role this season, but if you think upgrading the starting C role from Biz to Al only netted us 8 wins, I don't know what to tell you man. Biz isn't ready to be a full time starter even if he only plays Hibbert minutes (aka <30 min). I love Biz to death, but we don't make the playoffs without Big Al... we don't even come close, and I think we're tanking by February without him. The lack of offense is simply too much to overcome. I'd be surprised if we topped 30 wins. Very surprised.

Funny thing with BD is that he was against getting Big Al thinking it would put us in no mans land as far as getting our pick from Chicago, but yet he said if we had Biyombo playing instead of Jefferson we would have gotten 35 wins or so. Thats about as close to not making the playoffs and Chicago getting our pick as it gets.

That's if the FO actually tried to make the playoffs. The smart plan would have been to stealth tank this year. It would have been easy enough to do, just make Hendo the 1st or 2nd option and start Zeller over McBob.

Play the best players + Biz = ~35 wins.
Play the development lineup = keep our pick.

[mrknowitall215]

start Zeller over McBob.

Play the development lineup = keep our pick.

What would've happened with Millsap, and if you weren't on the bandwagon of signing Millsap, what would've happened with all of that cap space?

[BeesWax]

start Zeller over McBob.

Play the development lineup = keep our pick.

What would've happened with Millsap, and if you weren't on the bandwagon of signing Millsap, what would've happened with all of that cap space?

I have been a fan of the front loaded contract. If we were really trying to tank but needed to spend money front load a contract or offer a player a big one year deal just to get the money out there. I mean you can spend money that is not the hard thing. The hard thing is having money when you want to spend it.

[mrknowitall215]

I wonder if some of you pro-tankers understand that it's less likely that Charlotte would draft a player that's of Al Jefferson's caliber outside of the top-3 than you make it out to be, and even if they did draft a player of that prowess it would take years for that prospect to reach that level of consistency & professionalism

[BeesWax]

I wonder if some of you pro-tankers understand that it's less likely that Charlotte would draft a player that's of Al Jefferson's caliber outside of the top-3 than you make it out to be, and even if they did draft a player of that prowess it would take years for that prospect to reach that level of consistency & professionalism

I am not saying I am pro-tank. I am just offering ways it could have been done had that been the path.

[mrknowitall215]

I have been a fan of the front loaded contract. If we were really trying to tank but needed to spend money front load a contract or offer a player a big one year deal just to get the money out there. I mean you can spend money that is not the hard thing. The hard thing is having money when you want to spend it.

I'm actually a fan of possibly using the big one-year deal for this offseason with the cap space, so I see where you're coming from. We just happen to disagree on Jefferson's worth. I don't think Jefferson was as imperative to this year's success as some make him out to be, but he was the biggest key reason as far as players go

[ARHornet]

Not gonna go into a debate on whether we are better long term for it or not. But for me, this season has been much more enjoyable to see a team that plays hard, has talent to compete every night, and is trying to win. A big difference from the past few years. I think the players feel the same way. Kemba and some others have commented that they were sick of losing. We needed a change in culture and Big Al was a big reason for that happening.

[mrknowitall215]

My stance is firm that Cho failed to build a contender via draft in 3 years a la the Oklahoma City Thunder, so they had to get a jumpstart on building the franchise in another manner, and that's where signing Al Jefferson came into play. Charlotte still has 5 lottery picks on the roster from the past 5 years, and if they aren't good enough to excel into the future, so be it. More championship teams have been built through free-agency and via trade than through the draft, so I would rather stand by results than a epiphany. Newsflash, the Thunder are faltering from championship contenders instead of progressing into champions as of late

[amcoolio]

I think building a team of above average 1 through 9 rotation players is what I would do at this point, then hopefully be good long enough to attract or trade for a superstar.

Kemba, MKG, McBob, Jefferson, Biz, Zeller all good pieces. Taylor, CDR could fit into that, but unlikely. Henderson, is at his max potential and wouldn't play well off the bench but maybe he can if his ego isn't bruised. He'd be a solid backup I suppose but he really doesn't fit. Luke, Neal, Tolliver, Haywood, Pargo are end of bench guys and shouldn't get minutes in a game unless of several injuries.

As for Biz, I've said it before but we just need to wait out his rookie contract, develop him on the down low, give him a long term cheap deal (4 years, 10 million for example) and unleash him when Jefferson is done. I think by the time Biz is 25 he'll have put it together offensively after a few more seasons behind Jefferson and Ewing. Kid is not stupid and a hard worker and an athletic freak, and has the insticts defensively and rebounding wise.

[tranjSAIC]

The smart plan would have been to stealth tank this year. It would have been easy enough to do, just make Hendo the 1st or 2nd option and start Zeller over McBob.

Play the best players + Biz = ~35 wins.
Play the development lineup = keep our pick.

With how bad the east was this year, even with that stealth tanking I think they make the playoffs. lol

[Eoghan]

start Zeller over McBob.

Play the development lineup = keep our pick.

What would've happened with Millsap, and if you weren't on the bandwagon of signing Millsap, what would've happened with all of that cap space?

I have been a fan of the front loaded contract. If we were really trying to tank but needed to spend money front load a contract or offer a player a big one year deal just to get the money out there. I mean you can spend money that is not the hard thing. The hard thing is having money when you want to spend it.

There's also the option of taking a bad contract (like Boozer) for tasty draft picks.

[LamarMatic7]

What would've happened with Millsap, and if you weren't on the bandwagon of signing Millsap, what would've happened with all of that cap space?

I have been a fan of the front loaded contract. If we were really trying to tank but needed to spend money front load a contract or offer a player a big one year deal just to get the money out there. I mean you can spend money that is not the hard thing. The hard thing is having money when you want to spend it.

There's also the option of taking a bad contract (like Boozer) for tasty draft picks.

I think that there were reports of Boozer being amnestied this summer. Supposedly even Reinsdorf isn't so cheap to keep him around and stall the re-making of this Bulls team.

[JDR720]

CDR might have some competition in the swag department

[countryboi]

CDR might have some competition in the swag department

that bucket hat though....ugh he has been watching too much schoolboy q.

[catch20two]

What the hell Biz rockin' with them baggy capris. Lol

[JDR720]

Biz's new nickname: Swaggy Bz