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Baddy Chuck · Post #1021 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:19 pm

Max Green wrote:I know you're in Wiggins lead defense attorney mode and mocking Wise1 but here's Parker against one of the best defensive teams in the country.

My concerns with his athleticism aren't with an alley oop or a full speed breakaway dunk.

cinematographer · Post #1022 » by **cinematographer** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:21 pm

Max Green wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:
Max Green wrote:

Defensive stop, Defensive rebound, pushes ball full court through 4 defenders, DUNKS on 5th defender. Not athletic enough....

Something something something about how I could do that and score 41 points against ECU.

I know you're in Wiggins lead defense attorney mode and mocking Wise1 but here's Parker against one of the best defensive teams in the country.

Watch the Virginia center.

PedroGrande · Post #1023 » by **PedroGrande** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:21 pm

Forget it baddy, they don't want/have the ability to understand

Wise1 · Post #1024 » by **Wise1** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:22 pm

JustinCredible wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:**** is just getting out of hand now.

Agreed. When people can't see that Parker and Wiggins are both excellent in transition then I start to question if they watched them play. They are both great transition players.

The anti-Parker hyperbole comments are getting out of hand.

Also, stop it with the 'I could score 40 against that team' garbage. No. No you couldn't. You couldn't score 40 against 40 year olds at the Y. If you could it wouldn't be at even above 40% shooting.

I couldn't score 40 against my son in the backyard. Bill Paxson might be able to fit the bill against WV though.

Bernman · Post #1025 » by **Bernman** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:23 pm

JustinCredible wrote:Agreed. When people can't see that Parker and Wiggins are both excellent in transition then I start to question if they watched them play. They are both great transition players.

The anti-Parker hyperbole comments are getting out of hand.

Also, stop it with the 'I could score 40 against that team' garbage. No. No you couldn't. You couldn't score 40 against 40 year olds at the Y. If you could it wouldn't be at even above 40% shooting.

You had a problem with hyperbole, then ironically injected some of your own with the YMCA comment. I'm sure many here have scored 40+ against 20-somes at the Y. I know I have many times, going on streaky 3-point barrages. I'd imagine that's one of the reasons why many of us are here, following a basketball team. Because we are living vicariously thru other dudes who've reached levels we at one point had a little cause to dream of. Dreams don't usually derive without a modicum of reality, at least.

But addressing the point, it shouldn't be completely rendered meaningless regardless of who you post a big game against, however of course the quality of defense and style of game matters greatly when it comes to projecting your gaudy stats. Baddy scored 55 early on his career against Golden State. But it was fool's gold, and I for one never bought it.

PedroGrande · Post #1026 » by **PedroGrande** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:25 pm

JustinCredible wrote:I know you are disagreeing with me but I just wanted to say that this is a great post. You backed up your thoughts with numbers and you didn't go totally hyperbole 'Parker is garbage'. I definitely don't agree that Parker is 'brutish' and that he isn't quick in the half court. Watch his highlights against UNC and against Kansas for example. He shows a terrific package of skill-set. One game was early in the year and one game was at the end of the year. I just see a lot of talent and refined skill that I was surprised to see in a college player.

Who cares about numbers and facts? Here look at my gif (although it has less than 29 fps and that makes it look even faster)

Max Green · Post #1027 » by **Max Green** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:28 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Max Green wrote:I know you're in Wiggins lead defense attorney mode and mocking Wise1 but here's Parker against one of the best defensive teams in the country.

My concerns with his athleticism aren't with an alley oop or a full speed breakaway dunk.

That's fine, even though neither gif I recently posted were an alley-oop for full speed breakaway dunk. He made defensive plays, dribbled through and dunked on defenders both times.

Ayt · Post #1028 » by **Ayt** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:31 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
Wise1 wrote:Jabari on the break in that clip reminds me of Lebron...a massive train that no one will want to step in front of in transition. Wasn't Lebron about 240 when he entered the league? Jabari is only 19 and will probably add muscle and play at 250lbs plus easily. I love the size, speed, and athleticism combo (of course I'm not saying Parker = Lebron). With his handles and shot making ability, I hope that Parker can use his size and power in the same fashion that Joe Johnson does to create offense anywhere on the court. Bigger and more athletic Paul Pierce / Joe Johnson...I'll take it.

I think he was closer to 220.

He measured out 6'7.25" barefoot, 245 at the NBA predraft camp.

JustinCredible · Post #1029 » by **JustinCredible** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:32 pm

Here are some game highlights from both Parker and Wiggins. These are some of their better games and then the game they went against each other. Thoughts?

Jabari Parker vs UNC:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr5fU3gW9Tg[/youtube]

Jabari Parker vs Kansas:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb-ghooJsBk[/youtube]

Andrew Wiggins vs West Virginia:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXt5JtlWnps[/youtube]

Andrew Wiggins vs Duke:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH5YX6w5sRs[/youtube]

cinematographer · Post #1030 » by **cinematographer** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:33 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAdbE72z2VE[/youtube]
I see your Parker GIFs and raise you Exum at the Nike Hoop Summit.

Also, if you want to see why Parker can't guard the perimeter, watch around 1:14.

JustinCredible · Post #1031 » by **JustinCredible** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:35 pm

Bernman wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:Agreed. When people can't see that Parker and Wiggins are both excellent in transition then I start to question if they watched them play. They are both great transition players.

The anti-Parker hyperbole comments are getting out of hand.

Also, stop it with the 'I could score 40 against that team' garbage. No. No you couldn't. You couldn't score 40 against 40 year olds at the Y. If you could it wouldn't be at even above 40% shooting.

You had a problem with hyperbole, then ironically injected some of your own with the YMCA comment. I'm sure many here have scored 40+ against 20-somes at the Y. I know I have many times, going on streaky 3-point barrages. I'd imagine that's one of the reasons why many of us are here, following a basketball team. Because we are living vicariously thru other dudes who've reached levels we at one point had a little cause to dream of. Dreams don't usually derive without a modicum of reality, at least.

But addressing the point, it shouldn't be completely rendered meaningless regardless of who you post a big game against, however of course the quality of defense and style of game matters greatly when it comes to projecting your gaudy stats. Baddy scored 55 early on his career against Golden State. But it was fool's gold, and I for one never bought it.

Great job Bernman! I've never played a game at the Y that went to 40 points let alone scored 40 points in a game at the Y. Must do things differently where you are. First team to 41? Anyway....back to the basketball players people care about.

Baddy Chuck · Post #1032 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:36 pm

Wise1 wrote:I couldn't score 40 against my son in the backyard. Bill Paxson might be able to fit the bill against WV though.

Statline might even look like this

Bernman · Post #1033 » by **Bernman** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:37 pm

JustinCredible wrote:Great job Bernman! I've never played a game at the Y that went to 40 points let alone scored 40 points in a game at the Y. Must do things differently where you are. First team to 41? Anyway....back to the basketball players people care about.

You brought it up.

JustinCredible · Post #1034 » by **JustinCredible** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:39 pm

cinematographer wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAdbE72z2VE[/youtube]
I see your Parker GIFs and raise you Exum at the Nike Hoop Summit.

Also, if you want to see why Parker can't guard the perimeter, watch around 1:14.

He can hit some jump shots and make some layups. Tried to dunk but missed. I don't exactly see an explosive in-game athlete here for someone that compares themselves to Russell Westbrook.

Ayt · Post #1035 » by **Ayt** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:42 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:I love how some of you get giddy about that lame Parker gif and then totally trash Wiggins. What is so impressive about that gif? That he caught the incredibly bad pass? That he dribbled up the floor and made a layup? The layup was even a bit of a prayer since he lacked the explosion to finish at the rim. I'm not trying to rip Parker, I like him, but I just find it amusing you guys use that gif as a reason to like Parker when that sort of play wouldn't even make a Wiggins highlight video.

I think the equivalent response on the other side of the hyperbolic spectrum would be that Wiggins would have dribbled the ball out of bounds off of his foot after trying to switch to his left hand.

I have no idea how someone could watch that play and not be impressed regardless of what they think of Parker as an NBA prospect.

JayMKE · Post #1036 » by **JayMKE** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:45 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
Wise1 wrote:Jabari on the break in that clip reminds me of Lebron...a massive train that no one will want to step in front of in transition. Wasn't Lebron about 240 when he entered the league? Jabari is only 19 and will probably add muscle and play at 250lbs plus easily. I love the size, speed, and athleticism combo (of course I'm not saying Parker = Lebron). With his handles and shot making ability, I hope that Parker can use his size and power in the same fashion that Joe Johnson does to create offense anywhere on the court. Bigger and more athletic Paul Pierce / Joe Johnson...I'll take it.

I think he was closer to 220.

6'8" in shoes 245 lbs 7' wingspan

Lebron has been a monster since the beginning

Aaron It Out · Post #1037 » by **Aaron It Out** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:46 pm

It's going to be a long month.

giraldo5 · Post #1038 » by **giraldo5** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:47 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Wise1 wrote:I couldn't score 40 against my son in the backyard. Bill Paxson might be able to fit the bill against WV though.

Statline might even look like this

Just keep posting the results of that game until he finally comments. Can't wait for the response.

JayMKE · Post #1039 » by **JayMKE** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:48 pm

Aaron It Out wrote:

It's going to be a long month.

even longer until October/November

im going to be so sad if our pick doesn't play summer league

cinematographer · Post #1040 » by **cinematographer** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:48 pm

JustinCredible wrote:
cinematographer wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAdbE72z2VE[/youtube]
I see your Parker GIFs and raise you Exum at the Nike Hoop Summit.

Also, if you want to see why Parker can't guard the perimeter, watch around 1:14.

He can hit some jump shots and make some layups. Tried to dunk but missed. I don't exactly see an explosive in-game athlete here for someone that compares themselves to Russell Westbrook.

Yeah, he definitely didn't get to his spots at will against the best age-equal competition one could find then. Good call.