Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4

dckingsfan · Post #261 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri May 23, 2014 2:09 am

New York Knicks

I'm calling it - Carmelo opts out - and he isn't staying, Felton will get traded (at least that is what they have told him), they don't have a SF, they don't have any picks. Other than that how was the play Ms. Lincoln? They need to trade some of those SGs for a SF or two.

Really not a good trade partner right now - we don't really want their FC players other than Chandler.

I just don't see this team making the playoffs, think we can pickup Kenyon Martin?

Edit 6-25: Carmelo Opts-out, Chandler, Felton out - Calderon, Dalembert and Shane Larkin in.

Edit 6-27: Cleanthony Early, SF, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, SF, Louis Labeyrie C - pretty shocked to see Early drop into the second round. Makes the trade even better for NY. If Anthony doesn't opt-in, NY will be under the luxury. Next year they would only have $18M in committed contracts.

USA Today: Entering Wednesday, the Knicks had no draft picks. The Tyson Chandler brought in two, and they bought the last one from the Indiana Pacers for cash. Early might be the best second-rounder in this draft, and he is a perfect fit for the triangle offense that New York may install. Antetokounmpo has great athleticism and, while not as talented as his younger brother, is another player who could make the Knicks' roster next year. Labeyrie likely will be kept overseas for a few years. Overall, this is a very nice haul for a team expecting nothing. Grade: A

Edit: Melo resigns

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Carmelo Anthony     22,458,401 
Amar'e Stoudemire   23,410,988
Andrea Bargnani     11,500,000
J.R. Smith           5,982,375
Jose Calderon        7,097,191
Samuel Dalembert     3,867,282
Iman Shumpert        2,616,975
Pablo Prigioni       1,662,961
Shane Larkin         1,606,080
Tim Hardaway         1,250,640
Jeremy Tyler           948,163
Shannon Brown        1,310,286
(World Peace)        1,661,550
   
Total               85,372,892

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PG   Calderon     Prigioni      Larkin
SG   Hardaway    Shumpert     Smith              Brown
SF   Anthony      Early         TA         
PF   Stoudemire   Bargnani      
C    Dalembert    Tyler         Labeyrie

dckingsfan · Post #262 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri May 23, 2014 3:42 pm

Atlanta Hawks

Shelvin Mack and Mike Scott are restricted Fas, look for both to return. Look for Atlanta to take a SF with their Pick.

I don't see how they don't make the playoffs again with Horford returning - unless the injury bug bites them hard. The Millsap signing was brilliant for this team - look for Ferry to make another good signing this year.

Not much depth in the FC - so probably not a good trade partner.

Edit 6-27: Adreian Payne, SF, Walter Tavares, C, Lamar Patterson SG - Tavares is probably 2 years away, if ever... Not sure they helped themselves in the near term. Plenty of cap space to go after a SF - which is their biggest need.

USA Today: The Hawks drafted two college seniors (Payne and Patterson) and the biggest and arguably rawest player available (Tavares). The point of intrigue here is that the Hawks had a lot of talent up front already, with Al Horford and Paul Millsap well established as starters and Pero Antic and Mike Scott (a free agent they surely want to keep) on the bench. Payne is ready to play in the NBA but was a reach with more talented wing players still on the board who could have filled the Hawks' needs better. Tavares was a great pick because his upside is huge, with some likening him to fellow Spaniard Marc Gasol. Grade: C+

Edit 7-3: The Hawks have agreed to a three-year deal, 12M, with free agent guard Thabo Sefolosha

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Al Horford        12,000,000
Paul Millsap       9,500,000
Jeff Teague        8,000,000
Kyle Korver        6,253,521
Louis Williams     5,450,000
Thabo Sefolosha     4,000,000
DeMarre Carroll    2,442,455
Dennis Schroder    1,690,680
John Jenkins       1,312,920
Pero Antic         1,250,000
Adreian Payne      1,546,100
(Lucas Nogueira)   1,468,900     
Total             54,914,576

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PG   Teague    Schroder   Mack*
SG   Korver    Williams   Jenkins
SF   Carroll   Sefolosha
PF   Millsap   Payne      Scott*   
C    Horford   Antic

dckingsfan · Post #263 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri May 23, 2014 4:13 pm

Charlotte Hornets

McRoberts is an RFA, look for him to return. Charlotte lucked into two first round picks. Look for Charlotte to take a backup PG with the 24th pick unless they take a PG with the 9th pick, regardless, two guards.

Look for Charlotte to return to the playoffs and look for them to get better. Look for them to be active in the FA market and pickup 1 FA player.

Might be a good trading partners If they take FC players in the draft and need guards and wings - but doubtful.

Edit 6-27: Noah Vonleh, PF, P.J. Hairston, SG, Semaj Christon, PG Dwight Powell, PF - nice solid draft. Very deep in the frontcourt now. Josh McRoberts opts out.

USA Today: The Hornets don't need a power forward, but they also have some use for the addition to the roster. For one, drafting Vonleh (and Powell) means they can allow Josh McRoberts to leave in free agency and let Vonleh and Cody Zeller compete for the starting job next to Al Jefferson. And those two Indiana products could be the frontcourt of the future, if Jefferson leaves after three years. Hairston was the money pick, making up for their ignoring needs with the No. 9 pick. Charlotte gets a very NBA-ready shooting guard who should push Gerald Henderson for playing time. The Hornets did what they needed to in this draft and can let Vonleh develop slowly. The only knock is that they could have used the No. 55 pick acquired in the No. 24-No. 26 swap with the Miami Heat instead of selling it to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Grade: A-

Edit: Add Lance Stephenson, Janerro Pargo, Marvin Williams

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Al Jefferson      13,666,667
Lance Stephenson   9,000,000
Marvin Williams    7,000,000
Gerald Henderson   6,000,000
MKG                5,016,960
Cody Zeller        4,030,560
Bismack Biyombo    3,873,398
Kemba Walker       3,272,091
Gary Neal          3,250,000
Brendan Haywood    2,213,688
Noah Vonleh        2,103,500
Semaj Christon     1,032,200
Jannero Pargo      1,450,000
Jeffrey Taylor       915,243
Total             61,792,107

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PG   Walker      Christon       Pargo
SG   Stephenson  Henderson      Neal        Hairston
SF   MKG         Taylor         Williams
PF   Vonleh      Zeller   
C    Jefferson   Biyamobo       Haywood

dckingsfan · Post #264 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri May 23, 2014 4:30 pm

Brooklyn Nets

Paul Pierce, Shaun Livingston, Andray Blatche, Andrei Kirilenko will all hit the FA market - and that is 4 of the major pieces of the team. And yet they still have no cap flexibility and no picks.

Add to that - they want Williams gone and he wants to be gone.

Trades with the Wizards? Garnett for Nene and Garnett retires?

They do get Lopez back, if he stays healthy Garnet moves to PF. Plumlee was a terrific pick so they have a nice FC rotation.

Assuming PP resigns for one year - they are probably fine at the wings and make it back to the playoffs - but there is soooo much that could go wrong for this team.

Edit 6-27: Markel Brown, SG, Xavier Thames, PG, Cory Jefferson, PF - bought themselves into the draft. Nicely done.

USA Today: The Nets entered the draft without any assets but paid out (as owner Mikhail Prokhorov is known to do) to get a sizeable chunk of the second round. They went with college veterans, and it's easy to see how any of their three picks could crack the team's rotation next year. These were safe choices for a team that's built to win now, and they got good value at each draft slot. They hosted the draft and made the most out of nothing. Grade: A-

Edit: Jarrett Jack and Sergey Karasev in Thorton out. Andrei Kirilenko opts in

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Joe Johnson      23,180,790
Deron Williams   19,754,465
Brook Lopez      15,719,063
Kevin Garnett    12,000,000
Jarrett Jack      6,300,000
Mirza Teletovic   3,368,100
Andrei Kirilenko  3,326,235
Sergey Karasev    1,533,840 
Mason Plumlee     1,357,080
Marquis Teague    1,120,920
Alan Anderson     1,063,384
Jorge Gutierrez     816,482
Total            89,540,359

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PG   Williams     Teague    Gutierrez
SG   Johnson      Thorton   Anderson
SF   Kirilenko    Karasev 
PF   Garnett      Teletovic   
C    Lopez        Plumlee

closg00 · Post #265 » by **closg00** » Fri May 23, 2014 4:37 pm

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... on-wizards

dckingsfan · Post #266 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri May 23, 2014 4:55 pm

Washington Wizards

I won't write-up the status of the Wizards. Other than to say, decisions need to be made on Gortat, Ariza, Gooden and Booker. Also if Satoransky comes over this year.

Edit 6-27: Webster out with back surgery. Sold pick, lost out on Satoransky for a couple of years.

USA Today: The Wizards sold the No. 46 pick to the Los Angeles Lakers for cash despite several big needs. What's more, they don't seem to be gearing up to land a major free agent. This is a head-scratcher. Jordan Clarkson, whom the Lakers took, would have been a nice addition. Grade: D

Edit 7-1: Gortat agrees to a 5 yrs $60M contract.

Edit: Pierce, 2 yr MLE. Gooden agrees to vet minimum, Seraphin accepts the QO (ugh), S&T for Humphries and Blair, 2 year vet minimum deal for Temple.

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Nene             13,000,000
John Wall        13,701,250
Marcin Gortat    12,000,000
Martell Webster   5,381,750
Paul Pierce       5,305,000
Andre Miller      4,625,000
Bradley Beal      4,505,280
Otto Porter       4,470,480
Kris Humphries    4,300,000
Kevin Seraphin    3,898,692
Dejuan Blair      2,000,000
Drew Gooden       1,448,490
Garrett Temple      948,163
Glen Rice           816,482
Total            76,400,587

Webster omitted as he will not be part of the team at the beginning of the season

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PG   Wall        Miller     Temple
SG   Beal        Rice
SF   Pierce      Porter
PF   Humphries   Nene      
C    Gortat      Gooden     Seraphin

dckingsfan · Post #267 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri May 23, 2014 5:19 pm

Chicago Bulls

Look for Chicago to Amnesty Boozer and sign an FA - my guess will be Anthony, but I could see them trading for Love. Mirotic coming over would be a huge plus.

They will need to make decisions on Hinrich, Mohammed and Augustin. That will largely be about who they draft. Where they are drafting there will be choices for all positions.

As a trade partner, only if we want Boozer - so no.

Edit 6-27: Doug McDermott, SF, Cameron Bairstow, PF - brilliant.

USA Today: It's easier to understand why the Bulls traded the No. 16 and No. 19 picks for McDermott when you factor in free agency. Sure, Chicago could have added two nice players instead of one (as the Nuggets did). But they needed to keep money off the books if they're going to pursue Carmelo Anthony, as is expected. McDermott is a good fit for the Bulls with or without Anthony. They needed another scorer, and he is a better athlete than advertised. Bairstow is ridiculously strong and has more touch than Taj Gibson, somewhat replicating what they may lose if they cut or trade Carlos Boozer. The grade is somewhat incomplete because this particular two-for-one only makes sense if they succeed in free agency. Grade: B+

Edit: Carlos Boozer amnestied.

Edit: Add Nikola Mirotic, 3 years, 17M, Pau Gasol, 3 years, 22M, Kirk Hinrich, 2.7M

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Derrick Rose         18,862,875
Joakim Noah          12,200,000
Taj Gibson            8,000,000
Pau Gasol             7,000,000
Nikola Mirotic        6,000,000
Mike Dunleavy         3,326,235
Kirk Hinrich          2,700,000
Jimmy Butler          2,008,748
McDermott             1,898,300
Tony Snell            1,472,400
(Richard Hamilton)      333,333
Total                63,801,891

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PG   Rose        Hinrich
SG   Butler      Dunleavy
SF   McDermott   Snell
PF   Mirotic     Gibson      Bairstow
C    Noah        Gasol

dckingsfan · Post #268 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri May 23, 2014 5:37 pm

Toronto Raptors

Big decision on Lowry, if he stays they are back in the playoffs. Salmons will be waived. Nando de Colo, Patrick Patterson and Greivis Vasquez are restricted.

Assuming they resign Lowry, Vasquez and Pattrson, they could use a backup C in the draft - not a lot of those in this draft.

Don't know that they would want to part with any of their FC players. But they are thin at the wing, so it would be possible.

Edit 6-27: Bruno Caboclo, SF, DeAndre Daniels, SF - Interesting draft? - pretty sure they aren't going after Ariza.

USA Today: Who? That was the astounding reaction across the NBA draft world when Caboclo was picked. Even ESPN international expert Fran Fraschilla, who in his typical hyperbole extoled "the Brazilian Kevin Durant," said he was shocked Caboclo slipped into the first round. No. 20 is a very high draft spot, and there were a lot of good players on the board. The Raptors are a playoff team with few clear needs, so taking a player who is possibly four years away from cracking a rotation seems like an odd decision. Daniels is NBA-ready, though his thin frame isn't optimal. There might have been a few better small forward prospects, but he can shoot and impressed during Connecticut's title run. This was a strange draft session for the Raptors, who were thought to love Syracuse point guard Tyler Ennis only to have him off the board by their pick. Giving guaranteed money to a prospect as unusually unproven as Caboclo is a tough sell. Grade: C-

Edit 7-3: Toronto agrees to four-year, $48 million contract with Lowry, 3 years $18M with Patterson. Novak + a second to Utah.

Edit: Signed James Johnson 2 yr, 5M, Vasquez, 2 yr, 13M

Edit: Waive Buycks and Stone

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Kyle Lowry          12,000,000
DeMar DeRozan        9,500,000
Amir Johnson         7,000,000
Greivis Vasquez      6,500,000
Landry Fields        6,250,000
Patrick Patterson    6,000,000
Chuck Hayes          5,958,750
Jonas Valanciunas    3,678,360
Tyler Hansbrough     3,326,235
Terrence Ross        2,793,960
James Johnson        2,500,000
Caboclo              1,215,300
John Salmons         1,000,000
(Marcus Camby)         646,609
Total               68,369,214

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PG   Lowry          Vasquez       
SG   Ross           Fields
SF   DeRozan        Johnson        Caboclo        
PF   Johnson        Patterson      Hansbrough
C    Valanciunas    Hayes

dckingsfan · Post #269 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri May 23, 2014 5:52 pm

Miami Heat

The question, and really the only quesiton, is if the Big 3 resign on their player options. If they do, they are back in the playoffs. No real trade opportunities for the Wizards.

Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, Udonis Haslem, James Jones, Rashard Lewis and Greg Oden are all unrestricted FAs.

Edit 6-27: Wade, Bosh and James opt-out. Drafted Shabazz Napier, PG - has to make LeBron happy. I think it was a stupid trade by Charlotte on many different levels.

USA Today: Sure, Napier was a solid value pick at a position of need. He's tough, versatile and savvy, with a winning pedigree courtesy of two college national championships. But mostly, LeBron James loved him. How can you argue with that when the team is pressed to keep the superstar free agent? They gave up their second-rounder to trade up with the Hornets for Napier, and that move made sense. Grade: A

Edit 7-1: Wade, Bosh and James opt-out.

Edit: James gone. Udonis Haslem, 1 yr. 2.7M, Chris Anderson, 2 yrs, 10M, Luol Deng , Josh McRoberts

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Chris Bosh          22,000,000
Dwayne Wade         15,000,000
Luol Deng           9,710,000 
Josh McRoberts      5,305,000 
Chris Andersen      5,000,000
Mario Chalmers      4,000,000
Udonis Haslem       2,700,000
Danny Granger       2,077,000 
Norris Cole         2,038,206
Shabazz Napier      1,032,200
Justin Hamilton       816,482

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PG   Chalmers     Napier         Cole
SG   Wade    
SF   Deng         Granger
PF   Bosh         Haslem   
C    Anderson     McRoberts      Hamilton

dckingsfan · Post #270 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri May 23, 2014 6:03 pm

Indiana Pacers

The big decision is what to do with Stephenson and Turner and the SG position. Stephenson is an RFA - chances are they will match.

I don't see the Pacers trading West, Scoal, Hibbert or Mahinmi.

I don't see the Pacers missing the playoffs - to good a regular season team.

USA Today: The Pacers sold the No. 57 pick to the New York Knicks for cash. That's it. "That was a waste of two weeks," President Larry Bird said in the post-draft news conference. Indiana has enough needs on its bench that taking a gamble with that second-rounder would have been worth it, but finances hurt sometimes. It's understandable but disappointing. Grade: C-

Edit: Stephenson has moved on... Rodney Stuckey, 1 yr, vet minimum?

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Roy Hibbert       14,898,938
David West        12,000,000
George Hill        8,000,000
Luis Scola         4,868,499
Ian Mahinmi        4,000,000
Paul George       13,701,250
Chris Copeland     3,135,000
C.J. Watson        2,106,720
Solomon Hill       1,302,840
Donald Sloan         948,163
Total             64,961,410

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PG   Hill     Watson   
SG   Stuckey   
SF   George   Copeland
PF   West     Scola
C    Hibbert  Mahinmi

dckingsfan · Post #271 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri May 23, 2014 6:17 pm

Post #272 » by **montestewart** » Fri May 23, 2014 10:00 pm

dckingsfan wrote:The East

Indiana - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39829544#p39829544
Miami - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39829415#p39829415
Toronto - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39829246#p39829246
Chicago - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39829066#p39829066
Washington - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39828818#p39828818
Brooklyn - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39828818#p39828818
Charlotte - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39828418#p39828418
Atlanta - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39828128#p39828128
New York - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39824218#p39824218
Cleveland - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39823265#p39823265
Detroit - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39823141#p39823141
Boston - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39820522#p39820522
Orlando - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39812414#p39812414
Philadelphia - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39812205#p39812205
Milwaukee - http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39809123#p39809123

Good summaries. Much appreciated.

dckingsfan · Post #273 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:51 pm

montestewart wrote:Good summaries. Much appreciated.

LyricalRico wrote:...

Hope the cap guys point out what I missed

And hope LyricalRico doesn't mind me hijacking his thread...

fishercob · Post #274 » by **fishercob** » Mon May 26, 2014 2:05 pm

All this turmoil in Memphis. They've never recovered from two massive mistakes:

(1) Trading Kevin Love for OJ Mayo
(2) Taking Thabeet over James Harden

They could have built around Gasol/Love/Conley/Harden, and been elite for a decade.

They had their chances and missed, and as a result have never been able to get beyond a certain ceiling. It's a worrisome comparison to our Wizards. We may be very good in a couple of years, but never great, incapable of recovering from the 2011 draft debacle, etc.

verbal8 · Post #275 » by **verbal8** » Tue May 27, 2014 11:13 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ract-Offer

Wouldn't it make more sense for Irving to demand a trade? If he gets hurt or even just plays poorly next season, he could easily cost himself millions by not signing an extension this summer.

dckingsfan · Post #276 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue May 27, 2014 11:25 am

Irving seems a bit childish on this one and the Cavs seem dysfunctional.

Post #277 » by **nate33** » Tue May 27, 2014 1:34 pm

verbal8 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233584/Report-Cavaliers-Believe-Kyrie-Irving-Expects-To-Decline-Max-Contract-Offer

Wouldn't it make more sense for Irving to demand a trade? If he gets hurt or even just plays poorly next season, he could easily cost himself millions by not signing an extension this summer.

I find this Kyrie Irving situation fascinating.

Yes, it certainly would make more sense for Irving to demand a trade, and in essence, he is. He is telling Cleveland that they better trade him.

But the more I think about it, the more I wonder if anyone really wants him. We're talking about a guy who is likely to make one more (undeserved) All Star game during his rookie contract and thus become eligible for the Derrick Rose Supermax contract when his rookie deal expires. That's likely to be a 5-year $100M deal. Can you win with Kyrie Irving soaking up over 30% of your cap? Plus he's the classic "empty stats" guy who posts great numbers but freezes out his teammates and avoids defense like the plague. And finally, he certainly seems to have a bad attitude.

It'll be interesting to see if Cleveland gets anything back at all in a Kyrie trade. They might be better off riding it out and forcing him to accept the qualifying offer. Who knows, in the next 2 years, he might look around at all the young talent in Cleveland and conclude that he would be better off staying. (Interestingly, Kyrie won't be eligible for a supermax contract if he's signed by anyone as a free agent. He must be extended off of his existing rookie deal.)

payitforward · Post #278 » by **payitforward** » Tue May 27, 2014 1:55 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
closg00 wrote:What a luxury, the Cavs get yet another chance to re-do:

Bennett
Waiters
Zeller

Don't forget Thompson, who hasn't set the world on fire either.

Aha! Your post explains why the NBA keeps giving the Cavs the #1 pick! All the other GMs petitioned for this to happen. Why? Because the Cavs will pick a mistake, and that way they might not wind up making that bad pick!

verbal8 · Post #279 » by **verbal8** » Wed May 28, 2014 12:57 pm

This is a surpising turn of events in Memphis. Joeger was given an extension. I wonder if the negotiations with the wolves were an attempt to get a raise/extension with the Grizzles?

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... -Extension

verbal8 · Post #280 » by **verbal8** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:17 pm

dckingsfan wrote:New York Knicks
I'm calling it - Carmelo opts out - and he isn't staying, Felton will get traded (at least that is what they have told him), they don't have a SF, they don't have any picks.

I agree Carmelo will opt out, however I don't think it is his best move. Unless some team is dying to give him a full max deal. Say a team wants to pay him 18 million. Trading for him with an extension averaging just over 16 million after this year will likely give them more flexibility than signing him for 18 million as a free agent.

It obviously is better for the Knicks since they at least get productive expiring players in return(or unproductive ones and incentives).